Mitt Romney into flip-flop mode

[telcoman]

Some party the GOP is

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/to ... 8201.story


“And then, when the Romney campaign began running ads slamming the Obama administration for $716 billion in cuts to Medicare funding, observers pointed out that Ryan’s plan takes a similar amount out of Medicare. President Obama hit back on the campaign trail, insisting his cuts come at the expense of insurance companies and service providers while the costs of Ryan’s voucher alternative come out of the pockets of Medicare recipients.”

I don't think the American people will get fooled again

Telcoman

[Eikon]

Look.. telcoman in full spam mode.

did you actually want to engage in any conversation about politics, or are you here only to drop left wing propaganda?

[WDRacing]

Your a smart guy Telco. Answer me this one, how long do you think we'll be able to keep America functioning on any level at all when we're already paying out 4 billion a day in interest alone?

Wait let me guess, it's Bushes fault right? How about no.

My kids are completely screwed thanks to out of control spending on both sides of the political lines. However, when you examine the facts, Obama has spent more then any other POTUS in US history. He clearly has no plans at all to reign in the spending. Wait wait, how can I say clearly right? How about undermining Bill Clintons welfare reform by removing work requirements.

We simply can't go on with the status quo.

We don't just need to cut back on spending, we need to stop it all together. We won't be able to do that with Obama in office. Romney/Ryan may not be the best possible combination, but they are a far cry better then keeping what we currently have.

Just look at the existing record of spending. Look at the social programs. We need to change the way we look at all of our entitlement programs. Why is medicare off limits? As it stands right now, it won't even exist in a few years. So yeah, we need to "change medicare as we know it". Why is that a bad thing? If we don't change it, it will be bankrupt. Hello!!! That's already fact.

The pro Obama people amaze me with their obvious naivety as they sit and watch our country fall into an unrecoverable decline.

It doesn't matter how we got here people. We're here! We can't spend our way out of debt. I mean cmon, why is that so hard to understand?

[telcoman]

When the GOP was in control they spent like there was no tomorrow. Two unpaid for wars and Medicare Part D

Now they want the middle class and the poor instead of the rich to pay.

F um

[WDRacing]

When the GOP was in control they spent like there was no tomorrow. Two unpaid for wars and Medicare Part D

Now they want the middle class and the poor instead of the rich to pay.

F um

Nobody has spent more then Democrats, Fact.

You mean the wars that had bipartisan support?

So, the rich should pay for everything? You're exactly whats wrong with this country sir. Your entire mentality is ruining America.

[Eikon]

It's not worth the argument Brian..

Howie put these on years ago..




The only thing he sees now is what the libby press wants him to see. He's their perfect little soldier!

[WDRacing]

Howie is an easy target, he doesn't understand it, but he helps our cause every time he posts.

[stebo0728]

Howie's the type of guy who goes into McDonalds with 5 bucks expecting to feed a family of 4, and blames the guy in line behind him when he doesn't have enough money.

[R/T Hemi]

When the GOP was in control they spent like there was no tomorrow. Two unpaid for wars and Medicare Part D

Now they want the middle class and the poor instead of the rich to pay.

F um

Well, Romney did say he paid almost 13% in tax. Awesome. almost 13%!!! What an example.

I'm going way out on a limb here. You heard it first right here. Obama's gonna get 4 more years. Romney/Ryan have too much baggage. I will nod at the GOP for finding a literate VP candidate this time around, but those beloved liberals have the guy in their corner who's done more for the security of this country than the Bush league ever did. Well, he had the help of our beloved Seals, but still, he authorized the raid.

Time to get out the credit card and once again drop $25 in Obama's corner. Just to be sure.

They'll eventually see you're right Telcoman. One day.

[Marenta]

Nobody has the answer, not one single candidate has it right. Cut spending and increase revenue. Only way out.

[telcoman]

Nobody has the answer, not one single candidate has it right. Cut spending and increase revenue. Only way out.

The increase in revenue must start at the top with the wealthy paying more than 13% in tax

The spending cut will come from the savings in The Affordable Care Act and the winding down the war in Afghanistan.

You don't start cutting on the poorest and most vulnerable.

The only problem with medicare funding right now is the FICA wage base is only $110,000
Remove the cap, problem solved.

The rich pay a little more

[telcoman]

Howie's the type of guy who goes into McDonalds with 5 bucks expecting to feed a family of 4, and blames the guy in line behind him when he doesn't have enough money.

I don't eat at McDonalds but I do like to eat here





Great Porterhouse Steak

[szh]

Ah! That is why you want the cheaper healthcare, I guess ... all that chloresterol must be dangerous in time.

Z

[stebo0728]

I don't eat at McDonalds but I do like to eat here





Great Porterhouse Steak

Maybe you should start eating McDonalds, and give more to charity. Or would you just rather the government force its charity our of the wealthy, and call it tax.

[telcoman]

Your a smart guy Telco. Answer me this one, how long do you think we'll be able to keep America functioning on any level at all when we're already paying out 4 billion a day in interest alone?

Where did you get that figure? Citation please

Wait let me guess, it's Bushes fault right? How about no.

How about yes!

We did have surplus when Bush came into office
No one was asking for his tax cuts.
Bush ran us into a deep financial ditch that Obama has been getting us out of.
It was the Republican refusal to raise the debt ceiling last year that resulted in a downgrade of our credit rating causing increased interest rates.

My kids are completely screwed thanks to out of control spending on both sides of the political lines. However, when you examine the facts, Obama has spent more then any other POTUS in US history. He clearly has no plans at all to reign in the spending. Wait wait, how can I say clearly right? How about undermining Bill Clintons welfare reform by removing work requirements.

Your kids will only be screwed if Romney/Ryan manage to get elected.

You've got the welfare reform all wrong.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/0 ... 54150.html

"Governor Romney released an ad today alleging that the Obama administration had weakened the work requirements of the 1996 Welfare Reform Act," Clinton said in a statement Tuesday evening. "That is not true."
The 1996 reform ended welfare as a federal entitlement and transformed it into a program run by states within certain federal rules. Last month, the Obama administration announced it would allow states to apply for waivers from some of the rules if states had better ways of getting welfare recipients into jobs.
While the Romney campaign has suggested the Obama administration made its welfare decision to foster a Democratic "culture of dependency" by making it easier for people to stay on welfare, Clinton pointed out that two Republican-controlled states had requested the waivers.

It has already been established that trickle down economics does not work.

[stebo0728]

Bush's main failure was NOT getting Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac reformed, and not cutting spending in his own watch. I excoriated him for waiting until the last year of his term, when the Democrats took over, to even veto his FIRST bill. His expectation was that the housing and dotcom bubbles were going to persist. His gamble didn't pay off. The housing bubble may have seeped slowly to a stablized level rather than bursting, had he managed to get FM&FM to stop buying up every loan they could find. This gave banks incentive to loan to people who had no business buying, many who had no intention of paying to begin with. This is what caused the burst.

I dont see a basis in fact for your claim that Obama is getting us out of the ditch Bush dug. Seems to me he just took the shovel from Bush, and kept right on'a diggin'.

[telcoman]

I dont see a basis in fact for your claim that Obama is getting us out of the ditch Bush dug. Seems to me he just took the shovel from Bush, and kept right on'a diggin'.

No we are seeing job growth. It would have been faster had the republicans not blocked the transportation bill.

Here is some additional information for you.

"Friday morning, I sent a letter to Mitt Romney's campaign manager, asking that Romney release just five years of tax returns. And I made a commitment that, if he does, this campaign would not demand more.

You should add your name. Here's why:

Right now, our opponent is proposing a $2,000 tax increase on middle-class families with kids in order to pay for tax breaks for millionaires like him.

He's asking Americans to put him in charge of their taxes, while refusing to come clean about his own.

This isn't going away because voters deserve better, and everyone but the Romney campaign seems to recognize that.

Call for Mitt Romney to join President Obama in this basic and traditional act of transparency: Add your name.

Romney's refusal to release his returns is raising more questions than he's been willing to answer.

According to the one full year of returns he has released, Romney paid 13.9% in taxes on his income. Thursday, he said he went back and looked, and has never paid less than 13% over the last 10 years.

Now we're asking him to put his money where his mouth is.

It is absolutely relevant for us to ask how much a presidential candidate paid in taxes, if he sheltered his money or tried to get out of paying taxes at all, why he started -- and continues to own -- a corporation offshore in Bermuda, why he keeps his finances offshore in the Cayman Islands, and why he opened a Swiss bank account.

In refusing to be transparent about it, he's not only breaking the trust he's asking voters to place in him, but also three decades of precedent that began with his own father's presidential campaign in 1968.

This issue isn't going away, and for good reason. Tell Romney to follow 30 years of precedent and release his tax returns:

http://my.barackobama.com/Release-the-Returns

Thanks,

Messina

Jim Messina
Campaign Manager
Obama for America

[bigbadberry3]

Are those hash potatoes?

[stebo0728]

Interesting find: Obama is supposed to be a champion of the middle class?

(Note: For 2011, President Obama and the First lady reported a joint gross income of $789, 674, with a tax rate of 20.5% - amounting to $162,074 - while his secretary, Anita Decker Breckenridge, who makes a little over $95,000, was charged with a higher taxation rate.)

Doesn't seem too progressive does it?

Source: http://2012.candidate-comparison.org/?c ... a&on=Taxes

[stebo0728]

Call for Mitt Romney to join President Obama in this basic and traditional act of transparency

Aaaaannd that right there makes the letter worth a bag of donuts.

Obama ran on transparency promises, and hasn't been transparent about one good god d*mned thing, he wasn't transparent in the last election, and he hasn't been transparent in his administration.

Tell Romney to follow 30 years of precedent and release his tax returns:

Purely conjecture. There is no such precedent, Romney has already relinquished what any other candidate to date has. But that's not good enough, you want more. How about you give us more first. Show us ONE DAMNED article Obama ever actually wrote in Harvard Law Review. Show us a syllabus from this "Constitutional Law" class he supposedly taught. Show us some college transcripts, college applications showing he enrolled as an American citizen instead of a Kenyan. If you're not willing to be vetted to a certain degree, don't call for the opposition to be vetted to a degree stronger than you're willing to endure.

[themadscientist]

I don't eat at McDonalds but I do like to eat here





Great Porterhouse Steak

The first Howie post i can get behind. Nomnom!

[Marenta]

Nobody has the answer, not one single candidate has it right. Cut spending and increase revenue. Only way out.

The increase in revenue must start at the top with the wealthy paying more than 13%

Uh, how about we all just pay the same rate for all income across the board? I pay 11.6% in taxes to the fed. How much do you pay? Unless you are willing to put more into the pot, don't expect others to do the same. Everybody wants tax cuts as long as they aren't the ones to pay for it.

[bigbadberry3]

Uh, how about we all just pay the same rate for all income across the board? I pay 11.6% in taxes to the fed. How much do you pay? Unless you are willing to put more into the pot, don't expect others to do the same. Everybody wants tax cuts as long as they aren't the ones to pay for it.

Do as I say not as I do. I think more people would be willing to pay more taxes if there wasn't as much "waste".

[stebo0728]

Uh, how about we all just pay the same rate for all income across the board? I pay 11.6% in taxes to the fed. How much do you pay? Unless you are willing to put more into the pot, don't expect others to do the same. Everybody wants tax cuts as long as they aren't the ones to pay for it.

Do as I say not as I do. I think more people would be willing to pay more taxes if there wasn't as much "waste".

This, plus if there wasn't so much waste people wouldn't need to pay more taxes.

Telco, you advocate that part of the solution is raising revenues. Why then do you advocate for measure that would reduce revenues? Even your chosen one has admitted that he knows raising taxes would reduce revenue, his response was "its not about revenues, its about fairness". What a load of horse hockey, this nation has never been about fairness in outcome. Fairness in opportunity is our claim to fame, and sure, we've had kinks to work out through the years, civil rights, women's sufferage, but that has always been about fixing fairness of opportunity. Your new campaign of "fairness of outcome" is an exercise in futility, Nature itself does not allow fairness in outcome, get over it. This nation as a whole is going to go belly up if you keep taking steps to reduce revenue, and keep pushing outrageous entitlement spending platforms.

My quote above regarding Obama paying a lower tax rate then his secretary. The point of the post was to show that even the man who shouts the wealthy down for paying so "little" is no champion of his cause. Tax loopholes and itemizable items are currently legal, and are taken advantage of more by wealthy people. This is why often their effective rate is lower. So what, if you notice in the quote, he still paid taxes in amount almost double what his secretary's annual salary was! In my book, that's as fair as it gets. Im not shouting him down to say he hasn't paid his fair share, I'm shouting him down to say look fella, what the hell are you screaming about when you're sh*t smells the same as everyone else's? Now, his effective rate of 20% is higher than Romney's, but then, Romney's even wealthier, and when the numbers are examined you'll see that his actual tax payments are far greater than those Obama paid, indeed I'd wager more than Obama's annual salary. Romney's rate is so low because his base rate is mostly capital gains, at 15%, then he avails himself of perfectly legal loopholes, like charitable contributions (wasn't that the idea, entice people to give to charity by giving them a tax break on it?), his own mortage interest.

[IBCoupe]

Uh, how about we all just pay the same rate for all income across the board? I pay 11.6% in taxes to the fed. How much do you pay? Unless you are willing to put more into the pot, don't expect others to do the same. Everybody wants tax cuts as long as they aren't the ones to pay for it.

Do as I say not as I do. I think more people would be willing to pay more taxes if there wasn't as much "waste".

Curse this vague, slippery waste! Always there in a strong enough presence to provide bumper sticker adhesive, but never identifiable enough to actually turn into a policy.

[IBCoupe]

Romney's rate is so low because his base rate is mostly capital gains, at 15%, then he avails himself of perfectly legal loopholes, like charitable contributions (wasn't that the idea, entice people to give to charity by giving them a tax break on it?), his own mortage interest.

Think about that for a moment. His base rate is 15% because most of his income is capital gains. And yet, he still pays less than 15% every year! See the problem with this defense? Keep thinking about it, and ask, "how much money does Romney make that isn't long-term capital gains?" Then try to figure out what his theoretical taxes should be on that amount. If it's more than 15%, I'd say that's a bit odd that he pays less than 15% in taxes, total.

I have not been advocating that Governor Romney release his tax returns because it seems like a silly side-issue to me. But that doesn't mean something's not rotten in the State of Romneychusetts.

[stebo0728]

Just assume for a moment that his taxes are 100% capital gains, therefore 15% base. You're not subtracting out charitable contributions, mortgage interest deductions, and God knows whatever else legal loopholes he's taken advantage of. Don't blame him for following the law, advocate for the law to change if you like.

I swear its a loopy national discourse when someone is demonized for following tax law, and glorified for breaking immigration law.

[WDRacing]

Just assume for a moment that his taxes are 100% capital gains, therefore 15% base. You're not subtracting out charitable contributions, mortgage interest deductions, and God knows whatever else legal loopholes he's taken advantage of. Don't blame him for following the law, advocate for the law to change if you like.

I swear its a loopy national discourse when someone is demonized for following tax law, and glorified for breaking immigration law.

Slow your roll man. You're making to much sense all at once.

[IBCoupe]

Just assume for a moment that his taxes are 100% capital gains, therefore 15% base. You're not subtracting out charitable contributions, mortgage interest deductions, and God knows whatever else legal loopholes he's taken advantage of. Don't blame him for following the law, advocate for the law to change if you like.

I swear its a loopy national discourse when someone is demonized for following tax law, and glorified for breaking immigration law.

I'm not blaming him for following the law. I'm questioning your logic. Assume that every dollar Mitt Romney made over the last ten years was long-term capital gains? If these are the stories you have to tell yourself for it to make sense, by all means, go for it, but don't look down on me because I won't adhere to your fairy tales.

[stebo0728]

don't look down on me because I won't adhere to your fairy tales.

I thought my fairy tales helped you sleep....