Military pay chart

[twelv]

2005 Raise

E is for Enlisted O is for officerW is for warrent Officer

I still think we don't get paid enough for the **** they put us through.

http://www.military.com/Resour....html

I am an 8 year E-5

[cdlong]

in 3 months i will be making more than you :pface :bshake

only $14 dollars more though.

[Mr1der]

is this per month?

[Rex]

I agree, but just so everything is clear are you given a housing allotment or do you rside on base? And did you recieve a "re-up" incentive?

The one thing that hasn't been correctly adjusted is the "price" of what you buy on base, versus what the general public pays for things commercially. That's where the increases have failed you. Your dollar used to buy more than the gen pub's same dollar, and housing was taken care of if you lived on base. Things have changed, and unfortunately not for the better .

[Altiman94]

Intesting

[twelv]

in 3 months i will be making more than you :pface :bshake

only $14 dollars more though.

My wife makes as much as me per month.

[GEO]

is that per month?

[PalmerWMD]

is that per month?

yes.Those are the base salaries we get housingf and subsistence allowances

Fred..

[twelv]

245 per month food allowance no houseing allowance if you live on base.

[cdlong]

which is tax free (housing and food)

[Cold_Zero]

The two professions I think could do for some big pay raisers are Teachers and our Soldiers.

bud

[DAEDALUS]

which is tax free (housing and food)

Dang, officers make some decent scratch. Do families get free base housing too?

[vicki]

^Last time I checked, yes.

It could be worse, imo. You voluntarily go into the service and while income figures are relatively low, you receive a lot of benefits that civilians do not.

[PalmerWMD]

Dang, officers make some decent scratch.

All ranks feel they deserve more.The junior enlisted, beause they do all the work.The NCO's because they make it happen, the company grade officers because on the outside, we'd make a multiple in comparable postions on the outside.

Example a Company level Commander is in charge of apprx 100 people and millions of $$ of eqiupment.Someone like that in civlian world, a CEO of a commercial outfit of this size ,on the outside would be , what, typically 200-300k?

Another typical job would be, say staff Officer in a Battalion, ie. an outfit with 400-900 people.Primary Staff is comparable to an executive VP.A executive VP in a civilian outfit thats 400-900 people large would make , hmm 300-500k?

As for Senior NCO's in civialn world they would be multi year senior Supervisors and also likely make more than they do on the inside.

The perceived disparities are greatest among Company grade Officers (comparisons above), hence the diffculty of retaining them.

Fred..

[Ubernoober]

You might be surprised how LITTLE professionals can make in the civilian work force. Most companies don't fall into easily definable categories and as such pay can vary wildly across the general manager to VP range. If I were you I would be glad that my pay scale is an open document and gives you increased pay with both rank and years of service. The private sector provides no such thing. Including the ability to be fired at a moments notice. Job security is worth something too you know.

Officers definitely do just fine.

[Rex]

Let's be careful of the comparisons we make here.

First, we should all be able to agree that people in the Armed Forces (AF from here out) are underpaid to an extent.

Back to the comparison ...The pay scale for a comparable position in the private industry is higher, but the private sector (PS from here out) almost always requires out of pocket contributions to both health care (medical/dental) and retirement (pension/401k), where in the AF, the only contribution (save co-pays) would be for a 401k (not sure on this point, but it's likely most military personel have no service direct/run 401k program). Also, the PS doesn't get sustenance (food) or housing assistance (generally). The PS on the other hand doesn't have any "job" security, the AF does (save budget cuts). The PS also doesn't have (again generally) the "re-up" bonuses. The PS though does have the ability to take their skills/assest and go elsewhere if they "feel" they aren't being appropriately compensated, in the AF, you can't do that.

Now, for "upper management" comparisons. According to finance.yahoo.com the Chairman of the corporation I work for makes $815k (I'm sure this is base, not including bonuses or stock options). He's a son of the founder of Luxottica an Italian based company that grew from an individual repaing and hand making frames 1961 to the multi-billion dollar entity it is today (see below) and is only earning this due to the sucess of the business. In the AF, I'm sure there are some instances of "upper ranks" getting moved out, but weak profits won't get you fired. Though on the other side of this, in the PS there are performance based incentives.

Luxottica has been listed on the NYSE since January 23, 1990 (stock symbol: LUX)Luxottica has been listed on the MTA since December 4, 2000 (stock symbol: LUX)Total float: 25.4%

Total Sales: 2.824,6 million Euros in the year 2003.Net profit: 267,3 million Euros in the year 2003.

Manufacturing plants in Italy: Agordo (Belluno) - Cencenighe (Belluno) - Gazzada (Varese) Lauriano (Turin) - Pederobba (Treviso) - Rovereto (Trento) - Sedico (Belluno)

Owned brands: Arnette, Killer Loop, Luxottica, Persol, Ray-Ban, Revo, Sferoflex, Vogue.Licensed brands: Anne Klein, Brooks Brothers, Bulgari, Byblos, Chanel, Emanuel Ungaro, Genny,Jil Sander, Miu Miu, Moschino, Prada, Salvatore Ferragamo, Sergio Tacchini, Versace, Versus.

Wholesale distribution: Luxottica distributes its own products in 120 countries around the world, through 28 wholly-owned branches, over 1,100 sales agents and approximately 100 independent distributors.Retail distribution: Luxottica Group is the leading optical retailer in the U.S. and Canada with more than 2,500 Lenscrafters and Sunglass Hut International stores, and in Australia with over 630 stores through the acquisition of OPSM Group in 2003. And adding Cole National (Pearle, Things Remebered) as soon as FTC approval is recieved.

OKAY AT THIS POINT I'M RAMBLING, sorry . But the point should be AF's are under paid, but the comparisons aren't as easy as base pay to base pay.

[vicki]

Ok, I haven't research military income extensively, but to scratch the surface, I don't think anyone should be complaining about the amount they make when they have a choice to their profession and career. What's this about being underpaid? Teachers and professors are underpaid. Without them there'd be nothing. Not to sound like an ignorant ******, but you voluntarily go into the military knowing that you will be called upon to risk your life and may not be paid well to do it. I am greatful for those of you protecting our country, but by all means, please don't complain about it. While your socioeconomic conditions may or may not have pushed you in one direction there were plenty of other choices and opportunities.... and there still are.

[vicki]

*puts down the beer and picks up the flamesuit.

[Rex]

According to American Federation of Teachers website "The 2002-03 average teacher salary was $45,771".

The highest being CA ($55.693) and the lowest being SD ($32,414).

NOTE: This isn't intended to be my opinion to whether these salaries are high or low, just the facts to help people form their own opinion.

[vicki]

Starting salary for teachers vary greatly depending on location. etc. but some of my teachers have told me that they started out at like 18-19k right out of college and had to get their masters and doctorates in order to earn more money.

Considering 4 years of college, then 2- 4 years grad school to become a teacher in comparison to straight out of HS training in the military for same starting salary... military's got it made. And mind you, these teachers have students loans to pay back while joining the military usually means reduced or free schooling.

[Ubernoober]

Also, you get to shoot cool guns. Never forget the benefits of firing big weaponry.

[Rex]

There was some starting salary info on the site I listed above as well. I listed average for comparisons sake to the original post.

[PalmerWMD]

Viki dont forget the straight out of highschool pay scale for military is the enlisted payscale, which is about 11k a year for an E1/E2.Plus good benefits admitedly.

Also I wasnt complaing but explaining.Speaking of explaining.Its true job security is good and I have had some great training opportunites.

but in the civialian world you dont get any phone calls at 2 am to be in the Office in 45 minutes, to be gone for days no-notice.

(Also If I dont get promoted in the next 3 years, I will lose my job in the military before I am eligible for any retirement benefits.)

Yes I dont make bad money approx 70k but similiar effort put into a civilian career in industry/business with an MS degree and serving from Battery Commander ( 100 peoplke) on up I would ahve made more.

I am noit unhappy with my lifestyle, but dont be too impressed by the Officer pay scale too quickly.If it wasnt better on the outside, it wouldnt be so hard to keep Captains to stay in.

I will stay in most likly.

Fred..

[PalmerWMD]

One thing thats real cool, is we get to do things that most PPL only see in the movies (if then)

fred..

[vicki]

Yeah, I love war movies. My dad likes guns but he never lets me touch them. I want the thrill of firing one, not to kill, but just for the rush.

[twelv]

I love to travel so it is a great job for me.

[DAEDALUS]

How are pay grades decided? I mean, if I had gone in via ROTC or the GI bill or something like that, I believe that would have made me an officer more or less on graduation. After 6 years of service, what pay grade might I expect to be at? Beyond service time, is it tied directly to rank?

[PalmerWMD]

6 year after comissioning usually makes you a Captain.If you look up on the pay chart for captain with 6 years that would have been your base pay.Plus housing and suibsitance allowance.

Yes its tied mostly to rank, with modifcations by service time.

Fred..

[Mr1der]

Yeah, I love war movies. My dad likes guns but he never lets me touch them. I want the thrill of firing one, not to kill, but just for the rush.

maybe a rush the first time...

it's fun though, breaking dry spaghetti is a fun way to kill time:D

it's dumb to not let you touch them though, being you may sadly require the use of one to defend yourself or possibly even him!

a small 9mm would be a good pistol to start with, or a .22lr....

I loves me some guns mmm hmmm....

[vicki]

Well I don't think daddy wants his little girl carrying or playing with a heavy *** Tek - 9. I've held it before but never got to use it.

A few of my friends go to the shooting ranges pretty often but I've never gone with them before. I want to learn more about them and maybe even purchase one of my own. The licenses are more strict up north than in the south.