Michelin tyres not safe!!

[ralphdig]

Michelin said their tires not safe at full speed at Indy, here an example:

[bluemax]

I feel bad for the paying fans at Indy...oh well...It's funny I just replaced my Michelins with GoodYear

[SmithSR]

Goodyears not really an improvement. Michelin Race tires for F1 are one-off 'hand made' with build budgets never before seen.

Regular car tires have almost nothing in common with the tires pictured.

It pains me to see an instant epidemic of brand fear. Remember the Firestone recall that started the public freak-for-all about the brand as a whole, being 'dangerous'

Everybody knows there was one mold code that was safety recalled.Ford did the public no good by removing all Firestones from their vehicles and severing the 100plus year relationship. To the public this looked like all Firestones were bad. Years later, we still hear comments about 'bad' 'dangerous' 'recalled' Firestone.

Paranoid public.

[Exar-Kun]

Michelin tires continualy out perform damn enar anything in their category,a dnt ehy probably have one of the best (if not the best) reputation and histories of exceptional quality tires.

they're one of the only companies I know of that errs on a heavy conservative estiamte for both load capacity and speed rating for most of their tires...

Suffice to say, I've had and dealt with damn enar every make of tire now, and Michelin is always my firs choice if the budget permits.

-Chet

[bluemax]

Ummm...What can I say? I guess it's hard to see humor in typed form. My replacement of tires had nothing to do with brands and I know those f1 tires are nothing close to street tires....Michelins makes great street performance tires if your buget allows it but I wanted to run something different with longer thread wear...My decision had nothing to do with brand and I didn't make my decision base of what happen with F1 at indy today...Sarcasm is hard to see I guess..

In the mean time, I'll try and see if I can induce failure of my goodyear on the bank curves here in socal...

hopefully not...

[SmithSR]

In the mean time, I'll try and see if I can induce failure of my goodyear on the bank curves here in socal

[BadMojo]

Michelin also just announced that their tires would no longer be used in the WRC, to be replaced by BFGoodrich. Good news for Michelin is that they own BFGoodrich.

Considering Michelin supplies tires to WRC teams and also for the Dakar Rally, I'm pretty confident that I won't be able to drive past their tires' capabilities.

I will miss seeing Bibendum on TV at WRC events. I feel bad for the pale, puffy bastard.

[SmithSR]

Michelin man still rules the likes of MotoGP, no doubt the highest form of two wheeled motorsport.

Considering MotoGP is not yet doomed with technology-constricting rules like F1 now has, MotoGP may be the last bastion of the 'throw a hundred million dollars at one project' sport, like F1 quickly became and then was detuned.

[ralphdig]

Goodyears not really an improvement. Michelin Race tires for F1 are one-off 'hand made' with build budgets never before seen.

Regular car tires have almost nothing in common with the tires pictured.

It pains me to see an instant epidemic of brand fear. Remember the Firestone recall that started the public freak-for-all about the brand as a whole, being 'dangerous'

Everybody knows there was one mold code that was safety recalled.Ford did the public no good by removing all Firestones from their vehicles and severing the 100plus year relationship. To the public this looked like all Firestones were bad. Years later, we still hear comments about 'bad' 'dangerous' 'recalled' Firestone.

Paranoid public.

With out being paranoic and knowing F1 tyres have nothing in comun with daily tyres, i can assure you I will never again buy Michelin for any of our cars or trucks, period!

[maxnix]

With out being paranoic and knowing F1 tyres have nothing in comun with daily tyres, i can assure you I will never again buy Michelin for any of our cars or trucks, period!

Unfortunately, ignorance knows no bounds.

[C-Kwik]

forget what these tires actually have in common or not. Instead, consider the loads these F1 tires will see on a high speed section of a road course will be higher than the tires on an SUV. F1 cars set-up for roadcourse use will be set up to provide a very high level of downforce. A section of oval track as part of a roadcourse will allow for very high speeds. The downforce will be tremendous. A F1 car set up for an oval will not need as much downforce as they do not need as much grip and value the higher speeds that can be obtained from lowering the coefficient of drag(Reducing downforce).

I'm sure Michelin is trying to ascertain a cause and will try and remedy the problem. I'm guessing they retracted any performance guarantee until they can do that. I'm sure they would like to continue in the F1 series and they will indeed need to salvage their reputation here, but the safety of the drivers and perhaps even the fans and track personnel should always come first.

I'm running S03's on the G now, but I liked the Pilot Sports better. But who can complain when you get a set of S03's for $500.

[ralphdig]

Unfortunately, ignorance knows no bounds.

I know Michelin is a high quality tyre: but they have to pay what they did to the F1. They lost a customer here.

I will go go whith TOYO for the cars and Good Year for the 18 wheelers.

I hate Michelin.

[SmithSR]

McDonalds ever give you medium instead of large fry?You ever get paper when you ask for plastic?

You ever hear of a vehicle recall?

Mistakes are made everywhere. Until all people are replaced by perfect robots, mistakes will continue to happen.

[Nismo_Freak]

I know Michelin is a high quality tyre: but they have to pay what they did to the F1. They lost a customer here.

I will go go whith TOYO for the cars and Good Year for the 18 wheelers.

I hate Michelin.

You would rather see a driver die due to a tire failure at 180 MPH?

Human safety means more than the sport

[deezlins]

Heres an interesting commentary from Stoddart about what happened at the USGP

http://www.motorsport.com/news...00000

[ralphdig]

Stoddart is a clown who wants Ferrari to be expeled from F1 racing.

Can you imagine Ferrari asking for a 3 lap qualifying, because their tyres are not good for a 1 lap only, and then retire from a race?

[skylndrftr]

You would rather see a driver die due to a tire failure at 180 MPH?

i see your point the reason i won't be buying them again is because they refused to accept blame for the issue and still have not apologized to the fans. I will not buy michelins because of the disrespect they showed to the 4 people i konw who went to indy by not fessing up to their mistake. This was not a production mistake this was a complete and udder failure on michelins part. You don't make a design mistake that means 10 laps vs 73 i mean would you put a part in you car thats gonna last a month? when it should last a year? They knew what was coming and blew it blew it completely and utterly and it was only there fault

and yes stoddard is a complete clown and a moron to boot

the WRC tyres will be made by the same production unit in the same factory in france just a change to the sidewall markings for marketing reasons

[SmithSR]

I thought they did in fact say their tires were not safe for the high speed corner.

That's how we learned of the problem in the first place.

Sounds like an acceptance of blame to me.

What do you want a tire company to do? Refund monies to fans?

Never.

They are not the fan's babysitter.

Michelin tires are still by far the best made. One batch proves or disproves nothing about tire quality.

[deezlins]

Regardless of what you think of him, from what I hear that is a pretty factual account of what happened.

And Michelin did admit fault and say that their available tires couldnt complete a race with the current track configuration.

[maxnix]

McDonalds ever give you medium instead of large fry?You ever get paper when you ask for plastic?

You ever hear of a vehicle recall?

Mistakes are made everywhere. Until all people are replaced by perfect robots, mistakes will continue to happen.

Remember, these are high quality one-off custom hand made products.

Michelin assumed the incorrect value for the tire loading in that one particular corner. Thus they had no choice but to withdraw. They could not produce another 200 tires in the time frame remaining before the race.

Embarassing? Yes. An indication of consumer production tire quality? No.

[deezlins]

I also just heard that the track wasnt the same as last year, that they added diamond grooves to the turn, which would have been harder on the tires. Maybe Michelin brought tires based on the track last year or somethin?

[ralphdig]

I also just heard that the track wasnt the same as last year, that they added diamond grooves to the turn, which would have been harder on the tires. Maybe Michelin brought tires based on the track last year or somethin?

Yes maybe they brougth the last year tyres.

REMEMBER PAST YEAR RALPH HAD A HUGE CRASH IN THE SAME 13 CORNER AND ALONSO ALSO CRASHED AT THE END OF MAIN STRAIGHT DUE TO MICHELIN TYRES!
Modified by ralphdig at 12:50 AM 6/28/2005

[ralphdig]

Two years in a row, Michelin fails!!

Last year Indy F1 GP turn 13:

Michelincrash.jpg

[Nismo_Freak]

This thread has no point other than to instill paranoia into a buyers market that will never run on an F1 compound tire in their life.

Everyone has had their take on it.

Locked, for this reason.