McCain: We're better off than we were 8 years ago, worse off than 4 years ago

[ishkabibble]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDJxDUgpLlc

then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylJkmMR8Fek

Go on, righties, 'splain this one away.

Some more interesting McCain self-pwnage vids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm9rLDU- ... U5KZzgaB2k

"The original Maverick" or Bush's lackey?

[rn79870]

I've got mixed feelings about this thread and where it might go. So, lets try to limit the responses it to McCain and what he said in the videos and not allow it to go off the scale.

[ishkabibble]

Alright, then let's clarify my points and limit discussion to that.

1. The right loves to attack Obama on his circular logic and flip flopping. How are McCain's statements statements about being "better off" any better? Are we better off or worse off? Where is the so-called "straight talk" here?

2. The right claims McCain is supposedly still a "maverick", is not a neocon, and will not be "Bush's 3rd term". If so, why does he adamantly claim to be so pro-Bush?

[smockers83]

I do see your point in that it is a very vague statement. Its something to really look into that takes a lot of analysis, probably not suitable for this forum. Things you'd have to look at are unemployment, inflation, real income and not nominal income, safety, crime rates, it just goes on and on.

A neocon is hell-bent on strong foreign policy (compared to domestic policy) that makes the US look and feel like the sole superpower of the world. I personally have yet see that from McCain. Both candidates are going to inherit the neocon view of the world when they take office, which really didn't start in the WH until after 9/11.

[ishkabibble]

I do see your point in that it is a very vague statement. Its something to really look into that takes a lot of analysis, probably not suitable for this forum. Things you'd have to look at are unemployment, inflation, real income and not nominal income, safety, crime rates, it just goes on and on.

This is about saying two completely opposite things, not whether we are better off or not.

A neocon is hell-bent on strong foreign policy (compared to domestic policy) that makes the US look and feel like the sole superpower of the world. I personally have yet see that from McCain. Both candidates are going to inherit the neocon view of the world when they take office, which really didn't start in the WH until after 9/11.

Our perceptions differ. Anyone who is pro-Bush and pro-Iraq war falls squarely into the neocon camp, IMO.

[smockers83]

This is about saying two completely opposite things, not whether we are better off or not.

Well then I'm confused where you are trying to go with this then. In the first video he said we're better off overall from 8 years ago and in the 2nd video he says we're worse off from 4 years ago. So what's your point?

Quote »Our perceptions differ. Anyone who is pro-Bush and pro-Iraq war falls squarely into the neocon camp, IMO.[/quote]See, this is why I asked if people really knew what a neoconservative was in another thread. The general view/definition of neoconservatives is in my previous post in this thread. Being pro-Bush post-9/11 all the way to today would be considered neoconservative as he has been influenced by it since then. To be pro-Iraq, I'm not completely sure on that, define your use of being pro-Iraq and I'll go from there.

[stopcamping]

He is obviously Bush's lackey and not the man he used to be. The right keeps saying he's a maverick just to draw votes.

"The Bigger the Lie, the More the People will Believe it"

[OriginalWheelman]

This is about saying two completely opposite things, not whether we are better off or not.

Go on, righties, 'splain this one away.

Sure. Let me draw you a picture.



Get it now?

[srellim234]

OW, you are absolutely right. Things go up and down, and McCain merely stated his belief that under Bush things got better the first term, then went worse the second. Pretty simple concept.

FWIW, though, our situation at this household has gone downhill dramatically during both terms. Got substantially worse 2000-2004, then really has tanked during the second term.
Modified by srellim234 at 12:47 PM 8/6/2008

[rn79870]

Well then I'm confused where you are trying to go with this then. In the first video he said we're better off overall from 8 years ago and in the 2nd video he says we're worse off from 4 years ago. So what's your point?.

Which simply shows that McCain, in his old age, has lost touch with reality. That can be contributed to aging.

[smockers83]

Which simply shows that McCain, in his old age, has lost touch with reality. That can be contributed to aging.

Umm, que? Did you not see OW's nice little graphic? And my statement has nothing to do with McCain being confused, its me being confused as to where Old Ish is going with this.

[wingFeather]

FWIW, though, our situation at this household has gone downhill dramatically during both terms. Got substantially worse 2000-2004, then really has tanked during the second term.

Sorry to hear about this.

The last eight years have been amazing for me. I believe in entreprenuership & hard work, and have learned many things & had successes. There have been failures, too, but interestingly ALL can be attributed to liberals; Democrats!

Fortunately, McCain offers you & I a real positive change! Change you & I can believe in!!! So please vote for McCain

[rn79870]

The last eight years have been amazing for me...

Fortunately, McCain offers you & I a real positive change! Change you & I can believe in!!! So please vote for McCain

Hummmm, just curious. If things are so good for you, why would you want the change you say the McCainasaurus would bring?

[ishkabibble]

Sure. Let me draw you a picture.



Get it now?

You're obviously an authority on the subject. Here, let me go into Excel and make a chart with a flat line so I can prove you wrong.

Ok guys, feel free to put up some "straight talk" that proves that we are significantly worse off now than 4 years ago, and better off than 8 years ago (pre-9/11!).

[ishkabibble]

There have been failures, too

We know.

[srellim234]

Neither candidate offers a change I can believe in. McCain has rubber-stamped Bush, Cheney and his cronies every step of the way. He talks a great game but in crunch time is not a maverick or supportive of actual change. His acceptance of social security checks at taxpayer expense when he doesn't need it and while talking about how bankrupt and broken the system is says it all. Typical modern Republican that is all "My buddies and I" at the little guys' expense. And governing by fear and intimidation.

Obama, likewise talks a great game but offers nothing other than mandatory wealth distribution the Democratic party has espoused for years. As long as it doesn't hurt THEM. Why do you think the Democrats have walked lock step with Bush? Because they can hide behind their altruistic rhetoric while gladly accepting and supporting the Repblican agenda that takes care of their rich butts on a personal level. Even if Obama wanted to truly change things for the better, he doesn't have a chance with a Congressional majority that only wants to dominate and dictate every bit as much as the Republicans.

[AZhitman]

He is obviously Bush's lackey and not the man he used to be. The right keeps saying he's a maverick just to draw votes.

i agree, I also support mccain and hope obama is swiftly defeated

uh do u think im a dem? im not. assumptions like that can make you look foolish.

even tho im voting for mccain....

I seriously am voting for BO simply bc he is black. No, I'm not black, a libbie, and I don't have white guilt. I'd just like to be able to tell my kids & grand kids that I helped vote in the First Black President.

I think we can safely say that our friend here is either confused or schizophrenic.

[stopcamping]

I think we can safely say that our friend here is either confused or schizophrenic.

Yeah, McCain lost me on certain issues recently. So now I support BO wholly.