McCain maybe not so perfect

[skylndrftr]

http://www.newsweek.com/id/143775/

County records show the bills, which were mailed to a Phoenix address associated with Mrs. McCain's trust, were returned by the post office. According to a McCain campaign aide, who requested anonymity when discussing a private matter, an elderly aunt of Mrs. McCain's lives in the condo, and the bank that manages the trust has not been receiving tax bills on the property

We trust him to help fix the economy and he can't even keep his personal finances straight?

[telcoman]

McCain is far from perfect.We already have an incompetent commander in chief.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s...FAULT

We certainly do not need another president that is going to follow in Bush's footsteps. What a disaster of a president he has been

For those that are happy with the Americans being killed, others losing their homes, high gasoline and commodity prices,falling stock prices, plant closings, loss of jobs, go vote for McCain. Oh did I forget to mention the declining value of 401k plans.

Telcoman

[HashiriyaS14]

Ok....seriously...

I am not a McCain supporter, but this thread just represents dirty politics at it's worst.

I mean, c'mon....is this really relevant? I don't think it is.

[OriginalWheelman]

No it's not relevant at all. How does McCain's Aunt's mail getting returned mean McCain is going to be a bad pres? The mail could have been returned because the bank had the zip code wrong, or something equally stupid. Furthermore, no one is perfect, I don't know why we expect our political figures to be. This is one of those "OMG, something that makes the republicans look semibad!" moments. Grow up.

Blaming the president for every little problem is absurd. Your local government has way more control over your daily life but I bet you can't name who they are without looking it up.

Why is it that with liberals, everyone has the right to be anything they want, as long as its not conservative?

[HashiriyaS14]

Why is it that with liberals, everyone has the right to be anything they want, as long as its not conservative?

And you're not helping with your ridiculous blanket statements.

I'm not sure why this thread should even remain open, it's pointless.

[AZhitman]

...so that people like telco can blame the Prez for everything but the weather...

Could it be that the current economic climate is a residual effect of some of the retarded policy decisions of the Clinton administration?

And, as a heavy investor, you have to be kidding if you're fretting over your 401 and think it has ANYTING to do with the President... Maybe you're just not very good at selecting investments, because mine just posted 3 quarters of significant gains.

Blame irresponsible live-beyond-their-means homebuyers (and greedy unscrupulous lenders) for the housing crisis, not the Prez.

Then again, you'd prefer that the Gov control THAT too.

Can't have it both ways - I the gov't can't tell you what choice to make in the continued existence of an unborn child, it certainly should stay the hell out of helping you decide what to do with your money.

Fail again, my friend.

p.s. Invest in... oil. (and alternative energy research)

[telcoman]

Welcome back. the weekend was quiet without you

[mtcookson]

...so that people like telco can blame the Prez for everything but the weather...

No... I'm pretty sure the President has been blamed for that too.

[skylndrftr]

It wouldnt' really be low if mrs. McCain would release her personal financial records.

Or how bout electing a man who ditched his first wife when she got cancer...

call it dirty politics, or maybe just call it politics with a tan.

EDIT:And before we get all in an uproar about this, theres a fair number of Obama bashing threads in this same forum and one of them mentions Obama being executed as if its funny and includes the smiley:

[smockers83]

McCain is far from perfect.We already have an incompetent commander in chief.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s...FAULT

We certainly do not need another president that is going to follow in Bush's footsteps. What a disaster of a president he has been

For those that are happy with the Americans being killed, others losing their homes, high gasoline and commodity prices,falling stock prices, plant closings, loss of jobs, go vote for McCain. Oh did I forget to mention the declining value of 401k plans.

Telcoman

You have got to be kidding me.

telcoman, you are a person who talks a lot about investing and I held you in high regard for that, but I'm sad to say that I'm seriously disappointed by your comments. If you knew anything about investment markets and how it works along with an economy, you would know that President George W. Bush is not the reason for falling stock prices, home values, gas prices, and everything else you list. I honestly do not know what to say to you besides political agenda behind everything you said. Just out of curiosity, what would you say about these very same things as they are now if we had a Democrat in the WH?

If Obama does get elected President, taxes are going up, he's said so. So telcoman, I'd dump your retirement into a Roth account now so you can take it out tax-free when tax rates are higher if you plan on a Democrat in office for awhile.
Modified by smockers83 at 1:41 AM 7/1/2008

[audtatious]

Or how bout electing a man who ditched his first wife when she got cancer...

Uhm....You mean Newt Gingrich?

Mac's wife had a disfiguring car accident in '69. He was a prisoner of war at the time and she refused to allow him to be notified. He returned to the US in '73. They were divorced in '80 and it seems they still get along and he provided for her pretty well. Of course, by that time he was already in a relationship with his current wife whom he married after the divorce. While I feel having an adulterous affair was a whole lotta BS and is another negative attribute in my eyes, based on statistics it was nothing unusual as those who served in combat had a 62% higher change of divorce at that time as compared to those who did not see combat and I'm sure that percentage was even higher for those who were long-term POW's.

[ishkabibble]

Could it be that the current economic climate is a residual effect of some of the retarded policy decisions of the Clinton administration?

It's time for the conservatives to stop blaming Clinton for everything bad that has happened in the past 8 years. We are at the end of Bush's second term, for crying out loud. The previous president was Dubya with a rubber stamp Congress, not Clinton with a Republican Congress.

And, as a heavy investor, you have to be kidding if you're fretting over your 401 and think it has ANYTING to do with the President... Maybe you're just not very good at selecting investments, because mine just posted 3 quarters of significant gains.

Your personal experience has little to do with the economy as a whole. I'm a fairly decent investor, and it is getting pretty hard to find much value in this market.

Strange how in your first paragraph, you blame Clinton for the economic mess, then in the second you claim that the President has absolutely nothing to do with someone's 401k performance (most people do not - and should not - actively manage or un-diversify their 401ks, BTW).

Can't have it both ways - I the gov't can't tell you what choice to make in the continued existence of an unborn child, it certainly should stay the hell out of helping you decide what to do with your money.

I don't see how those two are related. Each issue can be debated on its own merits. The options are not fascism vs. anarchy.

If Obama does get elected President, taxes are going up, he's said so. So telcoman, I'd dump your retirement into a Roth account now so you can take it out tax-free when tax rates are higher if you plan on a Democrat in office for awhile.

There is more to factor in to the traditional vs. Roth decision than the overall tax rates.

[smockers83]

ish, you take everything at face value. My comment on the Roth account was intended to be short-sighted just as telcoman's complete thought process on the market and economy was. I don't think AZ was being serious either about Clinton, at least that's how I interpreted it.

[ishkabibble]

ish, you take everything at face value.

Nothing in your posts leads me to read deeper into them than "face value". If you were trying to be sarcastic, it didn't come off very well.

[smockers83]

I never said I was being sarcastic, I said I was being intentionally short-sighted, a snide comment if you will.

[AZhitman]

You have got to be kidding me.

telcoman, you are a person who talks a lot about investing and I held you in high regard for that, but I'm sad to say that I'm seriously disappointed by your comments. If you knew anything about investment markets and how it works along with an economy, you would know that President George W. Bush is not the reason for falling stock prices, home values, gas prices, and everything else you list. I honestly do not know what to say to you besides political agenda behind everything you said. Just out of curiosity, what would you say about these very same things as they are now if we had a Democrat in the WH?

If Obama does get elected President, taxes are going up, he's said so. So telcoman, I'd dump your retirement into a Roth account now so you can take it out tax-free when tax rates are higher if you plan on a Democrat in office for awhile.

The fact that he's alluding to LOSING money in his 401 tells me he's not a real savvy investor to begin with... no surprise when people look for someone to blame for their disappointments.

[AZhitman]

It's time for the conservatives to stop blaming Clinton for everything bad that has happened in the past 8 years.

Oh yeah, that happens a lot.

Re-read my post. I was pointing out the ridiculousness of his blather.

Where are you seeing "conservatives blaming Clinton for everything bad that has happened"?

[AZhitman]

Your personal experience has little to do with the economy as a whole. I'm a fairly decent investor, and it is getting pretty hard to find much value in this market.

Words like "fairly" and "pretty" lead me to believe you're not convinced yourself.

Short-term gains are irrelevant - You of all people know this. Dollar-cost averaging is your best friend in a market like this.

in your first paragraph, you blame Clinton for the economic mess

Ummm, no. I asked a hypothetical question.

I KNOW the cause of the current economic situation, and I was pointing out how patently retarded it is to blame an administration for the economic climate - ESPECIALLY in the face of convincing evidence that shows EXACTLY what went "wrong".

Re-read, brotha.

[AZhitman]

I don't see how those two are related. Each issue can be debated on its own merits. The options are not fascism vs. anarchy.

Of course you don't.

The ONLY difference is, you strongly believe in choice (on one hand) and government control (on the other).

They're both personal choices, both protected by the Constitution, whether you (or I) agree with them or not.

[skylndrftr]

If Obama does get elected President, taxes are going up, he's said so. Modified by smockers83 at 1:41 AM 7/1/2008

So?

nobody likes taxes but sometimes....

We can't increase spending and decrease taxes. What happens when you run a personal business like that?

[audtatious]

So?

nobody likes taxes but sometimes....

We can't increase spending and decrease taxes. What happens when you run a personal business like that?

To those who pay little or no taxes then the tax rate means nothing other than those non-deserving rich people get to be penalized. Tax cuts without reduced spending equals trouble. Tax cuts have also shown historic returns to Gov coffers but are moot without reduced spending.

[skylndrftr]

To those who pay little or no taxes then the tax rate means nothing other than those non-deserving rich people get to be penalized. Tax cuts without reduced spending equals trouble. Tax cuts have also shown historic returns to Gov coffers but are moot without reduced spending.

If you think I am in a low income tax bracket you have another thing coming.

The national debt is completely out of control. Peopel want services, they want roads they want police etc. But they dont' want to pay for it. Everybody looks to other conutries like those in Europe with 'high' taxes but don't ever weigh the benefits of them. To quote McCain "there will be other wars" how are we going to pay for those and continue to cut taxes?

[telcoman]

Short-term gains are irrelevant - You of all people know this. Dollar-cost averaging is your best friend in a market like this.

I KNOW the cause of the current economic situation, and I was pointing out how patently retarded it is to blame an administration for the economic climate - ESPECIALLY in the face of convincing evidence that shows EXACTLY what went "wrong".

Re-read, brotha.

Well who do we blame for spending trillions of dollars that we don't have on a useless and unneeded war? We could have had a great medical plan as well as improving our schools with all that money?Our balooning debit financed by China is devaluing the dollar and increasing the cost of all commodities including the sharp runup in oil prices. The stock market is a forcast of the future and will probably continue to fall until Bush is out of office and Obama takes over?Hopefully my dollar cost averaging of my 401k plan investments will work out for the best once the republicians are voted out of office in November.

Telcoman

[audtatious]

Who do we blame for the trillions of dollars spent on the failed welfare system in this country?

[smockers83]

The stock market is a forcast of the future and will probably continue to fall until Bush is out of office and Obama takes over?

Well there's your problem. The stock market is anything but that. And in fact, you contradict yourself in that very sentence.

Sky, who says we can't decrease taxes and decrease spending? Hmm? Why do we always have to increase spending? Plus, Obama wants to "even" out the economy by jacking up taxes for the rich and lowering taxes for the not-so-rich.

[mtcookson]

one of them mentions Obama being executed as if its funny and includes the smiley:

You need to go re-read that thread... we were talking about what could happen if Obama were to take Hillary as the VP insinuating that Hillary would probably have Obama offed so that she could have the position of President.

[AZhitman]

Well who do we blame for spending trillions of dollars that we don't have on a useless and unneeded war? We could have had a great medical plan as well as improving our schools with all that money?Our balooning debit financed by China is devaluing the dollar and increasing the cost of all commodities including the sharp runup in oil prices. The stock market is a forcast of the future and will probably continue to fall until Bush is out of office and Obama takes over?Hopefully my dollar cost averaging of my 401k plan investments will work out for the best once the republicians are voted out of office in November.

Telcoman

So many assumptions and media-fueled inaccuracies in that, I don't have enough "quote" buttons.

Assuming that funds earmarked for military spending would be magically reallocated to socialized medicine tells me that Econ 101 wasn't in the curriculum "back in the day".

And the stock market, like I've said a hundred times, is not tied to the presidency. To assume so is simply more "search for blame".

I already pointed out the reasons for the current mini-recession. They're common knowledge. They're also quite common in history, it's part of the market.

[telcoman]

So many assumptions and media-fueled inaccuracies in that, I don't have enough "quote" buttons.

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Yes Greg, it was the so called media inaccuracies that exposed how this Republican administration gave the American people a bunch of BS over weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.. It was the media that covered the local NJ women whose husbands were killed on 9/11 demanding a 9/11 commission to investigate our incompetent commander in chief. It was the media that exposed Karl Rove and Scooter Libby for outing Joe Wilson's wife Valerie Plame a CIA operative. Yes it was the media that exposed Larry Craig and his holier than thou anti homosexual rants in that mens room in the Minneapolis airport. Keep listening to that drug addict Rush and Bill Orelly for the latest news. They are sure to keep you well informed! Why not check out Hardball and Keith Olberman on MSNBC tonight and obtain some real factual news for a change?

Telcoman

[skylndrftr]

I just find it shocking that somebody who graduated 894 out of 899 from the Naval academy got the primo role of fighter jock...hell I have friends in the top 5% who can't get that honor.

Guess daddy's boy is a republican theme not just a bush one.

[OriginalWheelman]

Yes Greg, it was the so called media inaccuracies that exposed how this Republican administration gave the American people a bunch of BS over weapons of mass destruction in Iraq..

Did you watch Colin Powell's address to the UN? One of the first things he says is that they had no concrete evidence, only lots and lots of circumstantial evidence. The media never bothered reporting on that tidbit because public opinion was FOR the war at the time.