Hey...I am thinking of starting up again with some martial art or fighting style, but I am not sure what I want to do...I have already studied Tang So Do, Tae Kwon Do (through school..didn't learn a whole lot), Brazilian Jujitsu, Dragon based Kung Fu, the theories of Jeet Kun Do, and some Mantis Kung Fu...after studying each of those ranging from 4 years to only a couple months depending, I have more mental benifits from it than anything, I mean there are some real life tactics that were plucked from all of them, but over all I don't feel confident in my actuall fighting ability, so I am trying to find something with more of a real world basis. so far I am considering
Muay ThaiAmerican BoxingShaolin Kung Fu (I am 90% sure there is a "temple" here in town..I need to look into it again)Capoeira (just because anyone i've ever seen who knows it is so incredibly strong)
Has anyone taken any of these, or know another style that they feel has relevance to todays world and tactics? Which would you take if you had the chance?
Martial Arts, anyone?
If you've studied Brazilian Jujitsu, you should go with Capoeira. It's beautiful, and Brazilian Jujitsu integrates very well. Understand though, playing Capoeira isn't the same type of thing as learning to fight; it's not a traditional martial art. Don't get me wrong, trained Capoeiristas can kick much butt, but that's the wrong reason to get into it.
There's a list of schools here: http://www.capoeirista.com
The closest you'll get to real world fighting? Get a concealed carry permit.
There's a list of schools here: http://www.capoeirista.com
The closest you'll get to real world fighting? Get a concealed carry permit.
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rey_boricua wrote:Muy thai is probably the closetest you will gewt to real life situation
Besides wrestling (grappling styles like judo are more appropriate). 95% of street fights go to the ground within the first 10 seconds. If you can't groundfight, you're a dead man.
I studied Kenpo (American Kenpo) for several years and was an instructor during college in Tucson. Very direct (and vicious) art, but nowhere near as valuable on the street as akijitsu, judo, or other types of "grappling" arts. Muay thai is a brutal art, but even a good thai boxer can be decimated by a practitioner of akijitsu (trust me, those guys whupped our arses in tournaments).
Uhh.... Muay thai is a fun sport. Not practical at all in a real world fight. It's good for conditioning and learning how to take hits. Boxing will get you mauled in a street fight or a fight against a equivalent Martial arts guy. Capoeira is a beautiful art, but it tends to be more of a art than a combat style... at least in America.
If you want a fighting style that'll get you out of %99.9 of life threatening non-weapon encounters take Mav Crava, Wing Chun, or dedicate about 10 years of your life to Shaolin.
But then it also depends on what kind of person you are. For example, I'm 5'10" and I weigh 140lbs during the off-season of TKD and during I weigh in about 130lbs. For my type, my strengths are speed, and with speed comes power. Power should be a secondary concern. With speed also comes mobility, so I've learned how to duck and cut and move and strike. If, and I stress IF, I have to grapple I will strike and lock with submissions.
Now if you're like 6'4" and 220lbs, TKD would not be the art for you, because you'd have your *** handed to you. I'd assume you'd be too slow to be effective, your strengths are in reach and power. There are rare ocassions where big people are fast, but they rarely ever come. For this size i'd suggest something like, Judo, Aikido, or Shotokan.
Personally, I've taken Muay thai (because so far it's the best conditioning I've ever had) Tae kwon do (best mobility training I've ever had) Tiger claw shaolin (best fist fighting I've learned that involve lots of mobility) and tai chi (best way to bring out that inner strength to make up for my lack of physical strength). Really though, I should've researched it loong before I started. If I had the knowledge i have now, i'd be taking Wing Chun, Muay Thai, TKD, and Ninjitsu. Unfortunately finding all of these martial arts together in one town (and being a reputable school at the same time) is near impossible.
If you want a fighting style that'll get you out of %99.9 of life threatening non-weapon encounters take Mav Crava, Wing Chun, or dedicate about 10 years of your life to Shaolin.
But then it also depends on what kind of person you are. For example, I'm 5'10" and I weigh 140lbs during the off-season of TKD and during I weigh in about 130lbs. For my type, my strengths are speed, and with speed comes power. Power should be a secondary concern. With speed also comes mobility, so I've learned how to duck and cut and move and strike. If, and I stress IF, I have to grapple I will strike and lock with submissions.
Now if you're like 6'4" and 220lbs, TKD would not be the art for you, because you'd have your *** handed to you. I'd assume you'd be too slow to be effective, your strengths are in reach and power. There are rare ocassions where big people are fast, but they rarely ever come. For this size i'd suggest something like, Judo, Aikido, or Shotokan.
Personally, I've taken Muay thai (because so far it's the best conditioning I've ever had) Tae kwon do (best mobility training I've ever had) Tiger claw shaolin (best fist fighting I've learned that involve lots of mobility) and tai chi (best way to bring out that inner strength to make up for my lack of physical strength). Really though, I should've researched it loong before I started. If I had the knowledge i have now, i'd be taking Wing Chun, Muay Thai, TKD, and Ninjitsu. Unfortunately finding all of these martial arts together in one town (and being a reputable school at the same time) is near impossible.
i see what you all mean.
i remember back from my days of learning jujitsu - i was a little tyke, i think like 7-11 yrs when i took it along with tang so do (what a worthless fighting style) - I remember all of the mok fights and ****, the first thing you would do is take the other person to the ground.
Now when I was taking kung fu almost 2 years ago, you learned to hold a low and sterdy stance as long as you needed to, infact it was the first thing you learned, leg strength even with very few kicks in the fighting style was very much focused on. I am thinking it was there so you don't ever go down, against someone fighting with kung fu or any other style, because one thing they did teach is that one the other person hits the ground, they should never stand up again. ever.
I am 5'11-6'0 pushing about 160 right now, people say im skinny, but i'm just "dense" i guess. Muay Thai I would like to take because of the conditioning if nothing else, because as it stands now I know I can take a hit to the body from anyone within my size range, I free spared with a guy who was 17 and benched about 220 close to a year ago and ofcoarse I got my little white *** kicked because I was nervous as hell with this 6'5 guy comming at me, and all I remember was him comming at me, me attempting to block his strikes, me being on my ***. I got home and I had impact bruises and "hickeys" on my chest from where he had hit me and I didn't even feel it really. Maybe it was just the adrenaline, but who knows. I'm sure a blow from anyone bigger would have been a wee bit devistating.
BUT I DIGRESS
I think I am going to call and check out a few jujitsu places again...or go check out the capoiera place I was at before, the people that ran it are serious hard core brazillian guys, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they taught it too.
i remember back from my days of learning jujitsu - i was a little tyke, i think like 7-11 yrs when i took it along with tang so do (what a worthless fighting style) - I remember all of the mok fights and ****, the first thing you would do is take the other person to the ground.
Now when I was taking kung fu almost 2 years ago, you learned to hold a low and sterdy stance as long as you needed to, infact it was the first thing you learned, leg strength even with very few kicks in the fighting style was very much focused on. I am thinking it was there so you don't ever go down, against someone fighting with kung fu or any other style, because one thing they did teach is that one the other person hits the ground, they should never stand up again. ever.
I am 5'11-6'0 pushing about 160 right now, people say im skinny, but i'm just "dense" i guess. Muay Thai I would like to take because of the conditioning if nothing else, because as it stands now I know I can take a hit to the body from anyone within my size range, I free spared with a guy who was 17 and benched about 220 close to a year ago and ofcoarse I got my little white *** kicked because I was nervous as hell with this 6'5 guy comming at me, and all I remember was him comming at me, me attempting to block his strikes, me being on my ***. I got home and I had impact bruises and "hickeys" on my chest from where he had hit me and I didn't even feel it really. Maybe it was just the adrenaline, but who knows. I'm sure a blow from anyone bigger would have been a wee bit devistating.
BUT I DIGRESS
I think I am going to call and check out a few jujitsu places again...or go check out the capoiera place I was at before, the people that ran it are serious hard core brazillian guys, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they taught it too.
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I don't know if it's been said or not, but take more then one style, or better yet, no style.
be like water, grasshopper, hard yet flowing
a grappling style is definitely a must though, jui jitsu combined with kickboxing and traditional boxing would help to build an excellent group of skills.
Don't forget your pt though.
I need money to actually go to schools, I wish life were like movies and I found an old man at a restaurant that trained me for free, and helped me win the big tournament and get the girl..
edit: maybe you should watch a lot of Pride tournaments and see if any of the used styles suit you, or just watch Silva knee people in the head or get punched in the face by Belfort like 20 times in maybe 5 seconds...
be like water, grasshopper, hard yet flowing
a grappling style is definitely a must though, jui jitsu combined with kickboxing and traditional boxing would help to build an excellent group of skills.
Don't forget your pt though.
I need money to actually go to schools, I wish life were like movies and I found an old man at a restaurant that trained me for free, and helped me win the big tournament and get the girl..
edit: maybe you should watch a lot of Pride tournaments and see if any of the used styles suit you, or just watch Silva knee people in the head or get punched in the face by Belfort like 20 times in maybe 5 seconds...
Mmmm.... I wouldn't trust Capoiera too much in America...
I free-style sparred this guy who was 6'4" and was nearly double my weight. He had taken Shotokan for about 4-5 years and we had quite a fight. Unfortunately we were in his backyard with very poor lighting, so I had to rely on my "other senses". It was a blast though. At one point he punched me square in the jaw and I spinning heel kicked him in the face. He kicked my leg, and I absorbed it and swept his legs out from under him. And then at one point I was screwing around and did a one leg up in the air and then a spinning heel kick... somehow I hit him in the head... which NEVER happens... EVER.
I would think if you could find a wing chun (a good school) would be your best bet. I personally believe that Wing Chun is the best all around. Doesn't get too fancy, but it's not so pathetically linear. Teaches a good balance between hand and kicking techniques. Teaches you the fundamentals behind "chi" and other philosophies and has rigorous conditioning.
I free-style sparred this guy who was 6'4" and was nearly double my weight. He had taken Shotokan for about 4-5 years and we had quite a fight. Unfortunately we were in his backyard with very poor lighting, so I had to rely on my "other senses". It was a blast though. At one point he punched me square in the jaw and I spinning heel kicked him in the face. He kicked my leg, and I absorbed it and swept his legs out from under him. And then at one point I was screwing around and did a one leg up in the air and then a spinning heel kick... somehow I hit him in the head... which NEVER happens... EVER.
I would think if you could find a wing chun (a good school) would be your best bet. I personally believe that Wing Chun is the best all around. Doesn't get too fancy, but it's not so pathetically linear. Teaches a good balance between hand and kicking techniques. Teaches you the fundamentals behind "chi" and other philosophies and has rigorous conditioning.
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for real world though, I'd have to go with a lot of grappling and ground technique, kicking isn't very efficient if you go for the head unless your super fast (Mirko Filipovic for example, crazy head kicking...) or unless you go for leg or ball kicks, a front snap to the chin maybe though. Your best bet is gonna be punching though and learning to defend against takedowns (personal favorite is the guillotine choke being as most people will go for a double leg style takedown and really set themselves up for it)
Right now I'm studying a system called Lau Kune Do, from my sifu Richard Tsim. It's a combination of wing chun, northern style Shaolin, Wu style tai chi chuan, and Baguazhang. I've been doing the "bagua taichi" qigong and moving forms for about a year now. When I first started going to the temple, my balance sucked, I had no root what so ever, and my focus was attrocious.
Over the past year, I've definitely felt my root begin to grow. My balance has improved significantly. Enough crane stance, practiced frequently enough will dial in anyone's balance. I look forward to starting the actual kung fu training next year.
As far as effectiveness in a street fight goes... eh, I'm not there yet. A street fight is a nasty thing, and you need to be really conditioned to deal with something like that. You're usually better off walking away. Hell, last night I almost got into a fight last night. In a way, it was more rewarding to acknowledge the fact that the guy wanted to fight me, call him on it, and then tell him that there was no way we were gonna fight. Fights just suck, straight up. I dunno where you guys live at, but around here, a fight is most likely just gonna be round one of an escalating battle.
As someone else pointed out in this thread, being strapped isn't all that bad of an option. Personally, I'd never own a firearm because I'm too impulsive and have much too little regard for the lives of ***holes.
Over the past year, I've definitely felt my root begin to grow. My balance has improved significantly. Enough crane stance, practiced frequently enough will dial in anyone's balance. I look forward to starting the actual kung fu training next year.
As far as effectiveness in a street fight goes... eh, I'm not there yet. A street fight is a nasty thing, and you need to be really conditioned to deal with something like that. You're usually better off walking away. Hell, last night I almost got into a fight last night. In a way, it was more rewarding to acknowledge the fact that the guy wanted to fight me, call him on it, and then tell him that there was no way we were gonna fight. Fights just suck, straight up. I dunno where you guys live at, but around here, a fight is most likely just gonna be round one of an escalating battle.
As someone else pointed out in this thread, being strapped isn't all that bad of an option. Personally, I'd never own a firearm because I'm too impulsive and have much too little regard for the lives of ***holes.
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maybe we should have a NICO friendly sparring event.
Then eventually a NICO comprised country.
This country will be called Pancakes, laugh at the name if you must, but I think it'd quickly become a super power and what better name for a super power than Pancakes?
EDIT: dont' let this kill the thread, I find it a fun thread, please disregard the above and carry on.
Then eventually a NICO comprised country.
This country will be called Pancakes, laugh at the name if you must, but I think it'd quickly become a super power and what better name for a super power than Pancakes?
EDIT: dont' let this kill the thread, I find it a fun thread, please disregard the above and carry on.
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Here where I live, fights are the last stop. I've gotten in a 3 on 1 fight and whipped the guys. After that... it's just like, "damn, if that guy could take 3 of us, imagine if his buddies were with him."
JDMfreak03, when I say fast I don't mean how fast you can run. By fast I mean how well you can rebound after an attack. I think if you took TKD, but not as the main focus of your fighting skills, it'd help you pick up speed, but honestly I'd suggest for you to take something that is more ground based, like Shotokan Karate.
I don't understand how fights get onto the ground. I've never gotten taken to the ground in a fight. I fought this wrestler guy at school who at the beginning immediately dove for my legs. All I had to do was lift my knee up, his face dove right into my knee end of fight.
You must be fluid and be able to work with different situations. You can't just think that one single technique will be able to get you out of a jam. I've been quite surprised at the fact that I actually have had to use some acrobatics to get out of things. Such as my friend ran from behind me and put me in a neck choke, and my reaction was to jump and basically do a back flip over him using his shoulder to hold me up. Poor fool dislocated his shoulder because he wouldn't let go.
JDMfreak03, when I say fast I don't mean how fast you can run. By fast I mean how well you can rebound after an attack. I think if you took TKD, but not as the main focus of your fighting skills, it'd help you pick up speed, but honestly I'd suggest for you to take something that is more ground based, like Shotokan Karate.
I don't understand how fights get onto the ground. I've never gotten taken to the ground in a fight. I fought this wrestler guy at school who at the beginning immediately dove for my legs. All I had to do was lift my knee up, his face dove right into my knee end of fight.
You must be fluid and be able to work with different situations. You can't just think that one single technique will be able to get you out of a jam. I've been quite surprised at the fact that I actually have had to use some acrobatics to get out of things. Such as my friend ran from behind me and put me in a neck choke, and my reaction was to jump and basically do a back flip over him using his shoulder to hold me up. Poor fool dislocated his shoulder because he wouldn't let go.
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Great book that I'll bet none of you have read: You can get it on amazon for a couple bucks, and I've mett he author...
VERBAL JUDO, By George Thompson. Incredible book about dealing with any situation just with the power of words... Has saved me MANY a fight, and helped me deflect damn near anything that comes my way.
VERBAL JUDO, By George Thompson. Incredible book about dealing with any situation just with the power of words... Has saved me MANY a fight, and helped me deflect damn near anything that comes my way.
Sircnay wrote:JDMfreak03, when I say fast I don't mean how fast you can run. By fast I mean how well you can rebound after an attack. I think if you took TKD, but not as the main focus of your fighting skills, it'd help you pick up speed, but honestly I'd suggest for you to take something that is more ground based, like Shotokan Karate. I
Well Im not extremely fast when it comes to reboundinding, but I come back pretty quickly. I learned this from from fighting my dad, an ex wrestler. Hes pretty damn strong and fast with the punches. I can take the hits well, but I have no chance when he gets me to the floor and uses his wrestling tecniques. He doesnt show them to me either cuz he knows that I have the strength and potential to beat him right now. He calls it "smart thinking". I guess it is.
I do.
And, not classes per se. But when I was studying Tai Chi with my friend's dad I took/stole/borrowed a couple of his anatomy books. One was a western science anatomy book, the other traditional chinese anatomy and another was the comparison between the two. Pretty nifty things. Learned alot.
Did you guys know that there is a specific time of day when certain parts of the body are vunerable because more or less blood travel and come nearer to the surface on certain parts of the body at certain times of the day. Memorizing the patterns and what time they synchronize with will help you tremendously in finding those fun spots.
And, not classes per se. But when I was studying Tai Chi with my friend's dad I took/stole/borrowed a couple of his anatomy books. One was a western science anatomy book, the other traditional chinese anatomy and another was the comparison between the two. Pretty nifty things. Learned alot.
Did you guys know that there is a specific time of day when certain parts of the body are vunerable because more or less blood travel and come nearer to the surface on certain parts of the body at certain times of the day. Memorizing the patterns and what time they synchronize with will help you tremendously in finding those fun spots.
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