MAP instead of MAF ?????

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rb20detsilvia
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Anyone heard of this a buddy of mine said i need to convert mine over to MAP instead of MAF he said i could do it with an engine managment is this possable or is he just a dumb a** LOL let me know what you think


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as far as i know you need a standalone to do it

yes its possible, and its a great idea if you are going standalone.

rb20detsilvia
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so wont work with power fc

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Yes, if they make a power fc D-jetro for the rb20det, which I doubt

-Bluefire

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Carl H
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Kamin wrote:as far as i know you need a standalone to do it

yes its possible, and its a great idea if you are going standalone.
bah.maf > map.

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Carl H wrote:bah.maf > map.
Its easier to tune with a MAF, especially if you live in a mountainous area, bc elevation messes with the MAP readings. However, I will prob still go MAP when I get a standalone, bc in OKlahoma we have no mountains or much of a change in elevation, and I wont have to worry about having to recirc the BOV.

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if you are not shooting for rediculous power then a MAF will be ok for y ou but if your shooting for high horsepower then its pretty necessary to get a MAP.

if im not mistaken the q45 maf will make out at around 450-500hp

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You can always build a "translation" box to adjust Map signal into MAF signal.This is pretty hard to do and as the other guys say, you don´t need it but jupp, it´s possible.

/Mike

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Carl H
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q45 maf will read up to 700hp worth of air...z32 can read 500hp...if you need more then twin a z32 setup or for rediculous power twin a q45.

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Carl H wrote:q45 maf will read up to 700hp worth of air...z32 can read 500hp...if you need more then twin a z32 setup or for rediculous power twin a q45.
I believe you will need a RB26 PFC to do that. I don't think the RB25 has two inputs for MAFS.

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Carl H
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eh? wrote:
I believe you will need a RB26 PFC to do that. I don't think the RB25 has two inputs for MAFS.
tru but seriously anyone going for 700+hp in a s chassis is retarded, you'll have so much power you'll go backwards.q45 is pretty much top upgrade for anyone chasing powah!

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damn i must be retarted...time to get my helmet for the yellow bus...hehe

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I think it´s even more retarded to run 700 hp on a stock EMS, I would go stand alone and get better control over things.Another good thing is that you can visit most engine tuners and they can control/tune everything to perfection.

Really high boost and MAFS is a pretty bad idea, easy to brake the MAFS and hard to build a really good intake pipe.

/Mike

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you definateley can get rid of the maf. my car runs a map-ecu. this is very popular with the supras. i know at least a handful running the map-ecu with 700hp+ to the wheels and passing emissions. http://www.map-ecu.com a good alternative, but extensive dynotime b/c there isn't a published map for rb's yet.

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Carl H
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DrifterTom wrote:you definateley can get rid of the maf. my car runs a map-ecu. this is very popular with the supras. i know at least a handful running the map-ecu with 700hp+ to the wheels and passing emissions. http://www.map-ecu.com a good alternative, but extensive dynotime b/c there isn't a published map for rb's yet.
yeah, the map ecu is simmilar to the old hks pfc but has much more tuneability.the only problem with the map-ecu setup is that it is still is nothing more than a glorified safc.its a maf signal interceptor and still relys on the stock ecu for its timing maps and fuel maps...it works for sure and makes power (as the supra guys have proven) but its still not ideal.one of my good supra friends runs a map ecu but is proly gonna go with an aem setup as he is on the verge of maxing out the map-ecu's capabilities.lots of possiblities for fuel management...tough choice for sure.

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yeah youre right. but for the money @450 and coupled with some ecu remapping. thats gonna be one of the best setups for the money. i would love a haltec or aem, but you have to start controlling yourself at some point. i have recently been trying to remind myself its still just a 240.


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