Make fun of a kid with CP and get a month in jail.

[Looneybomber]

Hey I'm all for the dad of the 10y/o with CP popping this guy in the mouth, but any monetary fines, community service, or time spent in jail is just stupid...as stupid as an adult making fun of a person's handicap. What's next, comedians getting jailed because they say brocorri with squinty eyes?

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/11/28/wi ... jail-time/

My wife and I are split on this one. She says good for him. I come back and say hey hun, what if that was me? I would miss finals (which will ruin a semester of school) and am the only one working. How would you and the kids feel if you couldn't eat or have lights because we then have no income because I walked with a limp? So one girl gets her feelings hurt, but then my family goes hungry...yeah that's fair.

[audtatious]

Showing what an azz he is should have been fine. Going to jail for being an azz in this case is something else.

[ADDirishboy]

What did they charge him with? Seems ridiculous to jail someone for that. However, don't take that as me defending this guy, but where is the line drawn? Are we gonna start getting fined for calling someone a retard? South Park has multiple character's with mental issues, will Matt and Trey be jailed for showing a child in a motorized wheel chair convulsing and shouting "TIMMAY!"?

[Looneybomber]

Bully laws. Had to Google it because I couldn't believe it was a real category of laws.

[C-Kwik]

Appears there is a lot more to the story then is being stated:

http://www.cantonrep.com/news/x49367409 ... al-charges

The major charge is aggravated menacing....something he was convicted of once before. The other charge is disorderly conduct.

[Jesda]

Well, the "threat" from the gestured hanging is what got him a month in jail, not the mockery.

[WDRacing]

Hey I'm all for the dad of the 10y/o with CP popping this guy in the mouth, but any monetary fines, community service, or time spent in jail is just stupid...as stupid as an adult making fun of a person's handicap. What's next, comedians getting jailed because they say brocorri with squinty eyes?

For one, there aren't going to be children in the audience of a stand-up comedian. Two, if you're looking at the same Asian person and making the brocorri comment with squinty eyes on repeated occasions, it's no longer funny. It's you being a racist prick. Three, having the Dad beat up the other guy has the offending father being arrested for assault and battery. All of those things you said, teach our children exactly how they shouldn't be acting.

What we have here is a parent, with his own child in tow, making fun of another child with a handicap. He's teaching his own kids that it's ok to treat handicapped children like crap. What else is he teaching his kids?

You can look at this in two ways. One, you're ok with sort of behavior. If this is the case, you're character sucks and you should culled from society.

Two, you realize that this dude, who has a prior history of being a prick, finally got justice dealt to him. Making fun of someone with CB is NOT OK.

There is a huge difference between adults screwing with each other and an adult picking on a child.

[themadscientist]

As detestable as his behavior is, once we start down this road, where does it stop?

[WDRacing]

I hear ya. But what alternative do the parents of the CP kid have other then to contact the authorities? Once contacted what choice do the authorities have? The dude has a prior record of being a POS.

Would we not be better off as a society if adults were punished for mistreating children? Harsh punishment yes, but the answer is clear and definable. Don't mistreat children. If you can restrain yourself from being a fvcking jerk, you don't go to jail. Otherwise, well, you made your bed...it just happens to be behind bars for a little while. It all comes down to individual accountability.

Where we go from here depends on the judges and our judicial system. In this instance I have to favor leaning towards protecting the children vs the individuals right to be a jerk.

Slippery slope? Maybe.

Could be another example where wiffle ball bat justice could be used with great effect.

[audtatious]

What we have here is a parent, with his own child in tow, making fun of another child with a handicap. He's teaching his own kids that it's ok to treat handicapped children like crap. What else is he teaching his kids?

This in as of itself is stupid but not against the law. What he teaches his kids is up to him.

You can look at this in two ways. One, you're ok with sort of behavior. If this is the case, you're character sucks and you should culled from society.

Two, you realize that this dude, who has a prior history of being a prick, finally got justice dealt to him. Making fun of someone with CB is NOT OK.

Without any prior history what the guy did should result in nothing via the law. It should have resulted in him being busted in the mouth instead. Of course we can't have that happening either. Showing the guy to be the a** he is to everyone in his town should have been good enough to stop him from doing that s*** again.

[themadscientist]

I am comfortable punishing actions, not ideas. Once you open the door to punishing ideas all ideas are fair game and popular opinion which ebbs and flows like the tides is the driving force of what is and is not legal. I don't want to live in that world.

That his treatment of this child is detestable is a given, but there are ways to deal with him. I would send the videos to his employer and post them on youtube. I would make him famous "this is such and such and this is what he did. You decide what you think." He said and did what he did, it's not slander. He would become a pariah for the rest of his life and he did it to himself. His child would come to know his father was a piece of s*** and their relationship would be altered forever. I like that.

Or, we could beat him with wiffleball bats....

[snwbrdr435]

[Looneybomber]

All of those things you said, teach our children exactly how they shouldn't be acting.

So instead I need to teach them to fear big brother and walk on egg shells while in public, otherwise, you may get arrested for offending a person eaves dropping on your joke, or for telling someone they have BO.

If you can arrest someone for making fun of one person, you have to arrest everyone for making fun of people. You can't just arrest some, but not others, that's discrimination. And as stated, if you can arrest someone for offending them through mockery, what other things can we arrest folks for? There's that slippery slope.

[WDRacing]

That his treatment of this child is detestable is a given, but there are ways to deal with him. I would send the videos to his employer and post them on youtube. I would make him famous "this is such and such and this is what he did. You decide what you think." He said and did what he did, it's not slander. He would become a pariah for the rest of his life and he did it to himself. His child would come to know his father was a piece of s*** and their relationship would be altered forever. I like that.

Or, we could beat him with wiffleball bats....

So instead I need to teach them to fear big brother and walk on egg shells while in public, otherwise, you may get arrested for offending a person eaves dropping on your joke, or for telling someone they have BO.

If you can arrest someone for making fun of one person, you have to arrest everyone for making fun of people. You can't just arrest some, but not others, that's discrimination. And as stated, if you can arrest someone for offending them through mockery, what other things can we arrest folks for? There's that slippery slope.

Read this whole article. It explains the case a bit more than the Fox link.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2 ... bled-girl/

He receives a menacing charge by threatening to kill the mother. Which he plead no contest to.

Bailey, she said, “was swinging a tow chain on his porch, saying he was going to choke me until I stopped twitching. I sent my kids with my mother-in-law to leave with them. My husband called the sheriff.”

In Ohio, a menacing charge is a misdemeanor fourth degree, which carries a maximum of 30 days in jail.

The other charge was disorderly conduct, it carries no jail time.

Bailey has a prior history that was taken into account by the judge. The judge looks at the entire equation when rendering a decision. This isn't some random act that was misunderstood.

People are arrested for disorderly conduct all the time, this isn't an isolated incident. It just happened to make headlines because of the circumstances.

[themadscientist]

Then the imprisonment was for the threat not the teasing in which case that's legit.

[WDRacing]

I had read about this case a few times prior to this thread so I knew he had multiple charges and prior bad acts on record. I'm with you guys on the teasing or harassment charges not requiring jail time. Standing at a busy intersection wearing some sort of embarrassing signage would be more suiting.

[Dattebayo]

Gee, Fox news doesn't look at the whole story? NO! You don't say.

[IBCoupe]

That his treatment of this child is detestable is a given, but there are ways to deal with him. I would send the videos to his employer and post them on youtube. I would make him famous "this is such and such and this is what he did. You decide what you think." He said and did what he did, it's not slander. He would become a pariah for the rest of his life and he did it to himself. His child would come to know his father was a piece of s*** and their relationship would be altered forever. I like that.

Or, we could beat him with wiffleball bats....

So instead I need to teach them to fear big brother and walk on egg shells while in public, otherwise, you may get arrested for offending a person eaves dropping on your joke, or for telling someone they have BO.

If you can arrest someone for making fun of one person, you have to arrest everyone for making fun of people. You can't just arrest some, but not others, that's discrimination. And as stated, if you can arrest someone for offending them through mockery, what other things can we arrest folks for? There's that slippery slope.

Read this whole article. It explains the case a bit more than the Fox link.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2 ... bled-girl/

He receives a menacing charge by threatening to kill the mother. Which he plead no contest to.

Bailey, she said, “was swinging a tow chain on his porch, saying he was going to choke me until I stopped twitching. I sent my kids with my mother-in-law to leave with them. My husband called the sheriff.”

In Ohio, a menacing charge is a misdemeanor fourth degree, which carries a maximum of 30 days in jail.

The other charge was disorderly conduct, it carries no jail time.

Bailey has a prior history that was taken into account by the judge. The judge looks at the entire equation when rendering a decision. This isn't some random act that was misunderstood.

People are arrested for disorderly conduct all the time, this isn't an isolated incident. It just happened to make headlines because of the circumstances.

This. I got the non-FOX-News-hyped version from this legal blog: http://www.volokh.com/

[Jesda]

Well, the "threat" from the gestured hanging is what got him a month in jail, not the mockery.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Looneybomber]

Gee, Fox news doesn't look at the whole story? NO! You don't say.

...and I fell for it.

[Jesda]

To be fair, that was posted on their blog. Same organization, different standards. Even the NY Times runs a blog separate from its newspaper, subject to differing journalistic standards. [And even NYT's own journalists have criticized the paper's blog.]

[IBCoupe]

To be fair, that was posted on their blog. Same organization, different standards. Even the NY Times runs a blog separate from its newspaper, subject to differing journalistic standards. [And even NYT's own journalists have criticized the paper's blog.]

That.