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[Kaioshin1982]

Just a idiotic question but always wondered...

I know u live in japan and since in US when domestic people (like camaro owners/mustang owners) which dont like imports always say stuff about imported and saying how true american power car is better then japanese car.

Now in japan is it the opposite? when u see someone in mustang do people say stuff about imported cars? and how true japanese power can beat an USDM (?) cars? sorry for the retarded thread... not even sure if I made sense I'm kinda drunk

[MainEvent212]

i think that even though they have things like skylines and stuff

they really hail hte corvettes, lambos etc...mostly stuff we covet here too

[Kaioshin1982]

yeah but i wanna know if people in japan dont like people driving mustangs and camaros... hehe

[MainEvent212]

nah, japan is mature unlike america

in america, street racing is all a big pissing contest

in japan, it's all about pride, no one has to diss on eachother, they go out and race, the winner wins, the loser bows his head until he can be the best

*refer to Sport Compact Car* lol i wanna go to tokyo to witness racing on the Wangan first person

[SilviaLuvr]

hmm, "in japan, it's all about pride, no one has to diss on eachother, they go out and race, the winner wins, the loser bows his head until he can be the best" the way it show be" If any of it is tru. I don't live in Japan and i realy don't trust primedia with their sources even if they where there.

[themadscientist]

It's not as mature as you think. Japanese people for the most part have'nt a clue about American cars, they are a curiosity. I have yet to see a Japanese guy bring out a big Detroit V8 and represent, same with the european exotics. There are some Porsche guys but I only saw one show up to an organized drag race and it coughed up the transmission, even the GT-R guys went "ouch"!Not all but enough of the Japanese guys on the street are *****es most of the drifters are great guys though. They talk mad smack and act superior to each other. They sink tons of money into cars that run half-assed and blow up all the time but I have yet to see one "tuning shop" owner get afoot up his *** for doing slipshod work. Americans are laughed at until one spanks a "shop car" oooo and then they all mob out to defend their fragile pride.I have never seen a Japanese guys package but to see what an ego-crutch their cars seem to be to them I would suspect they don't pack stroker cranks if you get my meaning. Of course there are exceptions and the guys that are cool are very cool. Tetsuya Kawasaki, the HKS driver is a goof, really good guy. He has not lost the love of racing and respects everybody, other guys however need an attitude adjustment.

[Kaioshin1982]

so they DO hate USDM cars... ah HA

[krazy skwerel]

Not to mention the Japanese are stuck in the 80's and everyone knows it. hahahahaha:alcoholic

[themadscientist]

neither statement is true. They don't hate American cars they just don't understand them real well and they are incredibly expensive to maintain here.

They aren't trapped in the 80's I think I might be though.

[krazy skwerel]

there is nothing wrong with being stuck in the 80's.:alcoholic

[Rockenreno]

hey, there was plenty right with the 80's...

Michael Jackson was still black!The A's won the world series!First s13s hit the US market!Jerry Rice and Joe Montana were on the 49ers!The Soviet Union fell!MC Hammer told us what not to touch!Neon, skin-tight pants for everyone!McGuyver was on TV!...and most importantly, I was born!:D

[themadscientist]

I'm waiting for parachute pants and fat laces to come back around doohh!

[MainEvent212]

fat laces ARE back!

now they just have to be on while youre stompin in ur air force ones

[Sygerwulf]

*now they just have to be on while youre stompin in ur air force ones*

HAHAHA

[Matthew]

I have lots of domestic owning friends, and i can honestly say that its not that any of them dont like japanese cars, it's that some of them dont like the attitudes of a lot of japanese car owners. With all the stupid misconceptions about domestic cars being low-tech, heavy, and poor handling (all which are false) that a lot of import owners carry around, along with the chip on their shoulder, can you blame them?Remember, the domestic scene had been around for decades longer than the import scene, they know more than some of you arrogant import owners think.Also, a new z06 (my dream car btw) will destroy anything out of japan for the same cost (considering both cars arent used).

[AZhitman]

Also, a new z06 (my dream car btw) will destroy anything out of japan for the same cost (considering both cars arent used).

Skyline. 'nuff said.

p.s. Thanks for your post, TMS - Very informative.

I was always curious as to the interest in 50's Detroit iron in Japan. In Osaka (1989) the locals were telling me how the big ballers there owned (or wanted desperately to own) an old 50's luxo-barge, in pristine condition. True or no?

[stretch240sx]

yeah i wish i was still in japan... i was there at the total wrong time...

[nlzmo400r]

actually a skyline is a lil bit more than a zo6, and still wounldnt take a zo6, the gt-r is probably my favorite car in the entire world, however, with 280hp (suuure nissan, whatever u say, more like 320) and 4wd, its not quite enough to take on a new zo6, too much power, and the zo6, unlike most american cars, i have to admit, can hold its own in the corners. And yea american cars are known for their bad handling (mustang), but that doesnt mean all of em handle like crap, two americans worth owning: zo6, viper

[krazy skwerel]

i got to ride along at the last auto x meet in a zo6 and it was awsome.

[cow]

Skyline. 'nuff said.

So wait.. a Z06 will outaccelerate, outhandle, and outbrake a GT-R while costing LESS, yet the skyline is superior???

I don't follow.

[cow]

And yea american cars are known for their bad handling (mustang), but that doesnt mean all of em handle like crap, two americans worth owning: zo6, viper

A friend of mine has an 02 mustang GT with some sort of performance springs, otherwise it's bone stock. He is able to place in the top 10 (out of 50-60) in our local autocrosses. With a big, heavy, poor handling mustang.

Yeah, they definitely can't handle. :rolleyes

[AZhitman]

With a big, heavy, poor handling mustang.Yeah, they definitely can't handle. :rolleyes

Agreed - The Roush-prepped Cobras I drive when I go to Bondurant are frighteningly fast through the road course AND the slalom.

Too bad they ditched 'em for.... Cadillacs.:rolleyes

[EZcheese15]

So wait.. a Z06 will outaccelerate, outhandle, and outbrake a GT-R while costing LESS, yet the skyline is superior???

I don't follow.

The interior in a GT-R beats the Z06

For real though, if I were looking for a performance car, I'd take a Z06 over a Skyline, *if* I were going to keep them stock. Z06 is simply bad-***, but the one thing the GT-R has over the Z06 is quality. Z06 isn't horrible, just not as good as the GT-R.

In the states, I'd rather have a GT-R cuz it's rarer. If I were in Japan, I think I'd opt for the Z06 because it's rarer.

[s14=pimpin']

the interior on a corvette isn't much more impressive than the cavaliers. Considering you pay4x the price of a cavalier, you'd hope they'd spend at least 10 minutes redesigning the interior and giving you a half decent CD player, not the generic AC delco crap you find in every GM.

Haven't driven either car, so I wouldn't make a decision based on theory (if the skyline was offered up north).

and who here would keep either car stock?

[Repo Man]

I would be very happy with either a Z06 or a GT-R. They are both very tweakable, however a Skyline is not more than 50k in Japan, correct? My impression was that the R34 was around 35k in dollars. Is this correct? If so, that makes it 15k cheaper than the Z06, technically.

[AZhitman]

Cheaper and better quality - Exactly what I said.

An architect buddy of mine drives a Z06 - I've got nothing against that car (except what S14 said). It's frighteningly fast.

[EZcheese15]

I haven't driven either cars either. However, I've ridden in both. And that's enough to verify the GT-R interior is much nicer than the C5! (I haven't ridden in a Z06, but I have ridden in a C5, but same interior). Also, never sat in an R34 GTR, but even the R34 GTS-t interior is superior, and so is the R33 GTR interior.

One thing is for sure, they both got power when you stomp on the gas

[cow]

Well someone said the GT-R costs more. I don't know the price of it except the ridiculously high amount Motorex charges. And I agree that the C5's interior is pretty crappy.. not to mention the cheesy HUD.

Don't get me wrong, I'd take either one in a heartbeat.. but the Z06 is superior in the performance department (stock for stock).

[MainEvent212]

i'm fairly sure they run u the same amount as a Supra Turbo or a 300zx turbo...which wouold MSRP at 40k or so right? with dealer markup? i'm supposing that is no more since they've been otu...i'd say 45k at the most...

[themadscientist]

For the most part, I'm sure there are exceptions, American cars have a Fisher Price "my first car interior" look that I detest. Japanese cars undoutedly have superior interiors.The disparaging of old musclecars for handling is dumb, of course they don't handle they were'nt built to handle. They are, uh, musclecars! Built to go fast in a straight line. The argument that small cars don't have torque is a similarly "well no ****" type argument. Of course a 240 doesnt have the torque of a V8, it has half the displacement.I don't really think in this day and age you can point to any car as "the one" we are seeing more and more great cars from almost all manufacturers, let's enjoy it.If I had the coin I would have an blue R34 GT-R parked right next a black SS396 68' Camaro in my garage. I still want another Opel GT but I want a rotary engine in it this time.