M45 the true successor of the 1st. gen. Q ?

Post by **yidal8** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

Well , I am coming so close to getting the M now , but am kind of unsure if it has what it takes to replace my 91Q , without me having some regrets for making the move . All you M45 people who also know the old Q's - how would you compare them ? My Infiniti service Mgr. , who has been driving Garnet Fire M for about 7 months told me to go for it. He said I will not miss the old partner .

Post by **Rex** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

Road Test Performance 0 - 60 mph [secs] 6.1 0 - 100 mph [secs] 16.0 1/4 mile [secs at mph] 14.6 at 96.8 Top Speed [mph] 147 Lateral acceleration [g] 0.80

Enough said?? Never driven one, but from my reading and research it is the true G50 replacement.

With the deals out there now, Go For It

Post by **AZhitman** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

I concur.

The M captures the spirit and feel of the old Q better than any other car I've driven.

The difference between an Infiniti and any other car? The Infiniti has a soul - I'm convinced of it.

Post by **maxnix** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

Jeez, don't test drive an M45 overnight. You will never let it go.

Post by **yidal8** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

REX - I actually read 5.7 sec 0-60 in at least 2 mags for the M. The new Q does it in 5.9 sec . , and the M is lighter by approx. 200 lbs.I even saw somewhere 5.4 sec. in a road test with motor broken in .

Post by **AZhitman** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

FYI -

I have 6 Infiniti Corporate cars available.

4 Q45's (fully optioned) from $42K.

2 M45's (fully optioned) from $38K.

Post by **AZhitman** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

p.s. Yigal and Rex - The 5.7-5.4 zero-to-60 number is more accurate based on our G-Tech Pro test runs on a fully broken-in M45, even with all the "heavy" options packages.

Post by **Q45tech** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

MMMMMMM! $38k for what cost $38k 14 years ago...........a 59% discount considering the inflation over the past years.

Those that paid CASH for a 90Q were really well heeled.$40k/60 months = $666 plus interest only $750 per month.

Members seem to have a hard time spending $300/month on old Q repairs.

Just think those few will be $20k in another 2 years.

Post by **fxjackso** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

Great numbers on the M. But, its kind of small for my taste. If Infiniti doesn't come up with a large, high performance sedan, I will be stuck going somewhere else. S-Class, 745, a Kenny Brown Marauder, the LS 430 European Suspension option?

Post by **szh** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

Back in 1991, I paid $33.5k cash for my new Q45 - a heck of a deal (MSRP was $39k). In 2003, I paid $34.5k for my new M45 - another great deal (MSRP was $43k). I am very happy, including considering inflation!

I have owned a 1991 Q45, a 1995 Q45 (bought used in 1998) and now have the 2003 M45. I definitely regretted trading in the 91 for the 95, but there is no doubt in my mind that the M45 has easily shown me why I bought the 91 Q (when I was actually shopping for a 300Z Turbo)! It is fast (faster acceleration than the first gen Q), has a butter smooth and quiet engine, and better handling.

Yeah, the M45 has a slightly lower top speed than the first gen Q45, but how often do you really get a chance to drive at those high speeds? Even in my 91 Q, I only hit 150mph on one (long) occasion - for details, see the thread on Infiniti Speeding Stories. At anything less, the M45 is an easy equal - getting to 120mph is a blast!

Every time I drive the M45, it brings back the same grin on my face that the 91 Q did for me.

So, for anybody considering getting the current gen 2003 M45, I recommend it heartily as an easy replacement for the first gen Q!

Z

Post by **J-Owner** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

Hey AZ,

Those corporate cars, the M's, you say fully optioned. Does that include Nav and the voice recognition? I might be in the market.

Lemme know if you get a minute.

Thanks,Brandon

Post by **szh** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

fxjackso wrote:Great numbers on the M. But, its kind of small for my taste. If Infiniti doesn't come up with a large, high performance sedan, I will be stuck going somewhere else. S-Class, 745, a Kenny Brown Marauder, the LS 430 European Suspension option?

"Stuck"?

Those are all nice cars!

Personally, I still prefer the M45 to any of the ones you mention. My wife likes it too. She likes smaller cars, and the M45 is a much better match for her than my previous Q's (which she felt were too big). The funny part is that the size is really not that much smaller - it is just that the handling is more like a small car with lots of power!

FWIW, when the 1997 Q's came out with the 4.1 liter engines, I wrote (but never sent

) a long passionate letter to Infiniti headquarters that they had made a mistake "going the wrong way". They should have come out with the "Infiniti Z60" instead! With a 6.0L V-12 version of the 4.5L engine. With a longer cabin (more rear room) and more trunk space. I would have bought one in a heartbeat!

Z

Post by **AZhitman** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

Brandon:

They do indeed contain the Tech Package, which includes voice recognition, navigation, intelligent cruise control, heated/cooled seats, etc...

I have one in Brilliant Silver with all the goodies including XM/Premium/Tech and chrome wheels.

I also have another one in Titanium with all the goodies including Premium/Tech plus the spoiler.

Call me at 602-828-8908 as I'm sure they'll be gone soon.

YouTube · Post by **Jesda** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

I absolutely loved the M45 I drove. It was a thrill and a half, and would be a more than worthy replacement for my 92 Q. The back seat of the M45 is in the same class as the Mercedes C-class (small). Otherwise, its fantastic.

-Jesda

Post by **louiegz** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

I've never driven the M45 but it seems to me like the best bargain basement option to big import V8 out there. I love my 95 Q and I've been wondering what I would replace my Q with when the repairs get to bee too much. I hope by the time that I'm ready, they do some kind of redesign. I realy dont like the front end of the M. I read some place on this forum that they will be coming out with a new one in a couple of years. If it's nice, then that's when I'll go to my Infiniti dealer to check one out. Until then, I'll stick with my Q.

Post by **yidal8** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

There are some good reasons why a NICO member would prefer the existing M , and NOT the upcoming ( and beautiful looking )design :1) Value - besides the great deals on the remainig 2003's , the next one will sell for about the same prices , but with the V-6 . The V-8 will be much more , and no discounts , as it will be very popular .2) Exclusivity . very few on the road . The next one will sell a ton , just like the G and make a lot of money for the French .3) Quality / reliability . The M is the last of the true Infiniti's . It is already proven in Japan under another name - all glitches ironed out . You can feel the quality and tightness and 'goodness' of this car. The post - French takeover cars ( G , FX ) appear to maybe not have the same build quality and longevity potential . These are designed to make people flock to the showrooms , and hyperventilate over the beautifull looking designs , and be a lot of fun to drive , so sales are taking off . In other words , quantity over extra quality , to some extent - definitely not over designed like our old Q . The M still has some of this 'over designed' aspect to it .

Post by **AZhitman** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

Mr. Goldfarb has NAILED it.

I concur entirely with his statements... Some astute observations from someone who is not "in the business".

Post by **louiegz** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

I was not aware of that, yidal8. Very informative. Unfortunatly I just bought the wife a BMW 330 (GREAT CAR!!) and I have to pay off that one first, so all those 03 M's will be gone. How long are they going to make M45s like the 03s? I wont be getting a new car for at least 4 years. We will see what Infiniti will be offering then. I'd like to get a BMW 545 but there is no way I'm spending $60,000 plus for a car! Infiniti is the way to go.

Post by **Mitch95J** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

Jan 04 issue of Automobile Magazine claims that the newest Nissan Fuga ( sold in Japan ) will be the next M45. Maybe it always has been, but what I thought was cool was that they say it will be here withn' a year. They also claim that all-wheel drive will be a option. Just thought I'd share.

Post by **90Q45blue** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

Just wait 3 years and get an M45 with 30k coming off a lease. You will probably be able to pick that one up for $20-25k. An awesome deal IMO.

Nick

P.S. Well said yidal8. Well said indeed.

Post by **Q45tech** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

"I love my 95 Q and I've been wondering what I would replace my Q with when the repairs get to bee too much."

When do the repairs ever cost $700 per month ----year in year out........what it takes to buy a $40,000 car.

I've gotten so use to spending only $300 per month [plus insurance , tag and gas]..........I never want a car that cost more than that...............but it still has to do zero to 100 in 16 seconds.

Post by **louiegz** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

I'd love to see that 95 Q of yours Q45tech. Post some pics. What Mods do you have done in your Q? Maybe I'd like to do some and keep my 95 for a while.

Post by **maxnix** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

New M35 proabably in fall of 2004. New M45 Jan 2005.

I am with Q45tech. The G50 is overkill in most urban traffic here, even on the not so freely flowing freeways.__________________Brian1995 Q45 & Q45t & 2000 Q45

Discover the power of the button!

Post by **maxnix** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

louiegz wrote:What Mods do you have done in your Q? Maybe I'd like to do some and keep my 95 for a while.

Uhhh...Louie, you really do need to read the previous posts.

This goes in triplicate for Q45tech posts.

__________________Brian1995 Q45 & Q45t & 2000 Q45

Discover the power of the button!

Post by **QShip** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

louiegz wrote:I'd love to see that 95 Q of yours Q45tech. Post some pics. What Mods do you have done in your Q? Maybe I'd like to do some and keep my 95 for a while.

I believe Q45Tech owns a 1990 Q.

Post by **Q45tech** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

Not worthy of the bandwidth, needs repainting, stock 94 polished rims [235/60/15 tires], decent Gray leather [no holes]. Two stars in the front windshield...........guess I'll change glass again in January. No wrecks [or tickets not even parking] in the past 11 years.........230,000 miles..............259k by end of week!Other than the 1" lowering looks the same as all the other Gray 90 Q45.

As a 14 year old car, dents and missing bumper paint and crowfooting are badges of honor.........and we don't need no stinking badges....................the plainer the better for stealth operations.............quiet exhaust from a 95 wreck.

Post by **yidal8** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

If and when I get my M , I guess it will be my duty to offer my 91Q to a NICO family member .I was going to keep it for my daughter , but decided against it .( Actually it was just an excuse to keep in in my driveway ). If my dealer still has any left in Diamond Graphite , or the Emerald Mist ( Green ) , I may even do it this weekend , unless I chicken out again .

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

yidal: greg still has some M45's in stock.

Fred..

Post by **yidal8** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

Yes , I know but close to $1000 to ship from AZ to L.I.Also , I always try to give my business to my local dealer if possible , where I've been servicing my Q all these years .Also I have recommended them to other people who bought quite a few cars from them in the last 8 years , so they will do the right thing by me ,I'm sure . Of course I have been doing my homework , and they will have to meet , or beat best price I got so far : $7100 off MSRP .Incidently , does any body know or can guess what is the actual cost to the dealer of the 7yr. / 100000mi. extended factory warranty ?

Post by **AZhitman** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:09 am

Cost of the warranty to the dealer is irrelevant to the consumer, as it's not a consumable item to be sold.

Better to buy the car with the factory warranty, then increase it if you decide to keep the car beyond 60K - Most don't.

Hope the boss doesn't hear me say that...

M45 the true successor of the 1st. gen. Q ?

M45 the true successor of the 1st. gen. Q ?

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