Lowering your Rogue

[Kojack021]

Of the people on here who have lowered your rogue, what have you found to be the pros and cons of doing this. Also if you have any pics I would love to see how it came out.

Thank You

[ImStricken06]

the pro's & CONS are the same in all cars. let me be frank: screwing with the suspension on any car is simply asking for problems. if you have money to throw into the wind, then go ahead and mess with your suspension. im not going to go too deep into it, as my rant would last for 4hours, but i will summarize it as briefly as possible.

your car was designed with parts to be at a certain extension, at a certain load, at a certain angle, and all those points is where a car should stay at, for the duration of its life; so dont mess with it- because you will put the car at its extreme points(which were designed to be temporary- not permanent)
The suspension in any car is so complex & sophisticated, that it does so much more than just absorb bumps. it helps the car corner, it pre-loads and adjusts to braking, it helps the car in evasive maneuvers, it helps the car maintain stability at high speeds, it helps the tires wear evenly, etc etc etc etc

screwing with your suspension will increase the angles stock components have to work under, and that will in return stress ball joints, tires, bushings, bearings, tie-rods, etc. expect parts to wear really-really fast. expect a stiffer ride. expect to change tires much more often because the inside will wear twice, if not 3 times as fast as the rest of the tire. expect to invalidate your warranty. expect to lower the value of your car. basically, expect to re-install all the original equipment in your car in 2 years time.

if someone was to ask me my opinion: id tell them to stay away from raising or lowering the suspension at all costs.

[rdub2k4]

But ImStricken, Stance will make her dance!

jk. I agree w/ all these points. On the Rogue at least

[ImStricken06]

its the truth to all cars. if the car was designed at the factory(or the WHOLE suspension system is rebuilt form the ground up) thats the way it should stay. stressing drive shafts, cv-joints, and all the other components is silly to really only gain cosmetic changes. for the money that one will throw to do the job right, $8,000-$10,000 = its often better to sell your car, save the 8-10k, and buy a sportier car that was designed to be stiffer/lower. evo8, sti, genises, g37, etc

[followingnfront]

the pro's & CONS are the same in all cars. let me be frank: screwing with the suspension on any car is simply asking for problems. if you have money to throw into the wind, then go ahead and mess with your suspension. im not going to go too deep into it, as my rant would last for 4hours, but i will summarize it as briefly as possible.

your car was designed with parts to be at a certain extension, at a certain load, at a certain angle, and all those points is where a car should stay at, for the duration of its life; so dont mess with it- because you will put the car at its extreme points(which were designed to be temporary- not permanent)
The suspension in any car is so complex & sophisticated, that it does so much more than just absorb bumps. it helps the car corner, it pre-loads and adjusts to braking, it helps the car in evasive maneuvers, it helps the car maintain stability at high speeds, it helps the tires wear evenly, etc etc etc etc

screwing with your suspension will increase the angles stock components have to work under, and that will in return stress ball joints, tires, bushings, bearings, tie-rods, etc. expect parts to wear really-really fast. expect a stiffer ride. expect to change tires much more often because the inside will wear twice, if not 3 times as fast as the rest of the tire. expect to invalidate your warranty. expect to lower the value of your car. basically, expect to re-install all the original equipment in your car in 2 years time.

if someone was to ask me my opinion: id tell them to stay away from raising or lowering the suspension at all costs.

I want to both agree and disagree with you...

When I had my Accord, I installed the HFP (Honda Factory Performance) suspension which consisted of struts and springs lowered the car 1" all the way around. With the HFP suspension, the car handled amazingly well and I regularly travelled on I-95 from the GW to the Delaware Memorial Bridge at an average speed of 85-90 with the car feeling incredibly stable... I would regularly hit 100MPH for extended periods of time as well actually (not recommended to anyone, I'm not bragging about my speed, just that the car could handle it with composure) and I was always able to make it do whatever it needed to without any drama. **I do not drive my Rogue like that... In fact I drive my Rogue like an old man, with people passing me and giving me dirty looks over rough roads**

Also, the ride was (believe it or not) just as smooth as stock, and that was even with polyurethane front bushings, Neuspeed front strut bar, and Acura TL rear sway bar. But I'm sure that is because the struts and spring combo was a Honda product and not aftermarket. And I'm sure that is also partly why everything else about the ride/handling worked so well... I also had an Ingalls rear camber kit to help with tire wear and handling by keeping everything in spec... I will say though, that my Accord was track-worthy with just the 1" drop and other suspension mods I had on it.

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That being said, I've noticed that Nissan's (the Rogue included) in general do not have the most refined suspensions (my Rogue hits bumps pretty hard, and does not keep its composure over rough surfaces as well as my Accord did) to begin with, and IMO messing with a Nissan suspension is a no go... At least for the Rogue... I wouldn't want a rougher ride than I have right now! And as Imstricken said, there are a lot of factors that go into suspension geometry and layout, and just slapping lowering springs onto stock struts will be asking for trouble. First off, the stock struts will wear out incredibly fast, and your suspension will be very harsh over rough surfaces... Aftermarket suspensions are designed to be used universally, so just because it says its for the Rogue does not mean that it was designed for the Rogue, it just means that it will fit on the Rogue. I'm with Imstricken... Keep the Rogue stock

[ImStricken06]

great points followingnfront!
i commend you on using Honda products, that there were designed for use in that specific car. they took the car's stock geometry and designed a new, lowered, suspension to not create any problems for owners.

people really need to understand that lowering a car, takes the tie-rods, bushings, ball-joints, bearings, etc from "home" position (where the pressure is 50%/50%, and placing everything into a unilateral position where pressures are much greater to one side = thus wearing the parts out faster. put it this way, mother nature designed our head/neck to be straight. if i told you: "its cool now a days to walk around with your head tilted 20DEGREES to the left...... what do you think your vertebrae & cartilage would look like after 2 years?(roughly equal to 30,000miles) it would be worn on one side correct? all the connective tissue (aka tie rods) would be over stressed from holding the weight and supporting an unnatural position.

hahahah new rule = anyone who wants to lower their suspension, walk around like this for a whole day:(and then tell me how your "tie-rods" and "ball joints" feel hahahahha

[followingnfront]

Lol ^... Great points right back at ya... On an unrelated note, did you get my PM?

[rdub2k4]

lol. My 2" drop on the Lancer will be done in a couple weeks. Teins S-Techs. Saving up for some Coilovers too. I'm doing everything wrong on the Lancer, huge drop, 18x9.5 wheels, 225/40 tires, oh my!

:P

[ImStricken06]

Lol ^... Great points right back at ya... On an unrelated note, did you get my PM?

YES, my bad, totally forgot to read it. (i got it last night as i was falling asleep and said to myself "ill reply tomorrow" lol) let me reply to it. do you mind if i reply in the lights thread, or you want a PM back?

[followingnfront]

Lol ^... Great points right back at ya... On an unrelated note, did you get my PM?

YES, my bad, totally forgot to read it. (i got it last night as i was falling asleep and said to myself "ill reply tomorrow" lol) let me reply to it. do you mind if i reply in the lights thread, or you want a PM back?

You can reply however you think is best. Its more about how to wire them up than the physical lights themselves... But whatever you like its all good.

[ImStricken06]

i PM'd ya

[Kojack021]

bottom line, dont do it i guess.

[followingnfront]

bottom line, dont do it i guess.

There are people who have done it... But it all depends on what you want your Rogue to be. If its your dd, then I say no no because comfort will be thrown out the window... If youre going to autocross it, then sure... But Id recommend getting a different car to autocross with ;-)

[ImStricken06]

bottom line, dont do it i guess.

There are people who have done it... But it all depends on what you want your Rogue to be. If its your dd, then I say no no because comfort will be thrown out the window... If youre going to autocross it, then sure... But Id recommend getting a different car to autocross with ;-)

damn well said! lol

[ImStricken06]

[followingnfront]

Lol... Ive never understood the guys whose cars are so slammed that they scrape on everything... And most of the time they want to go lower! Im all about performance not causing sparks pulling out of a parking spot lol

[ImStricken06]

I DONT MIND AN 1" AT MOST - but when they lower so much, SCREW WITH THE CAMBER, and get the rounded tires = it makes me wanna choke the car owner

[rdub2k4]

lol damn, I guess I won't show my Lancer when it's sitting at -3 degrees natural camber, and a 225/40 tire stretched over a 9.5" wheel. :P

[ImStricken06]

lol damn, I guess I won't show my Lancer when it's sitting at -3 degrees natural camber, and a 225/40 tire stretched over a 9.5" wheel. :P

please do, but have a barf bag ready for me. the tire stretching is the equivalence of tire molestation in my eyes.

i swear to god, id pull over every one write 'em: " 39:3-44 VEHICLE IN UNSAFE CONDITION" & " 39:3-72 TIRE IN UNSAFE OPERATING CONDITION $44" &

[rdub2k4]

That's too much stretch. I have some 18x8.5's in my garage right now I'm shipping to a friend with 225/40's on em. I'll post a pic, it's very sexy.


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[Rogue One]

That's too much stretch. I have some 18x8.5's in my garage right now I'm shipping to a friend with 225/40's on em. I'll post a pic, it's very sexy.

Sexy? Hmmm, not seeing it. Maybe with the proper lighting, some Barry White to set the mood...

[ImStricken06]

I have some 18x8.5's in my garage right now I'm shipping to a friend with 225/40's on em. I'll post a pic, it's very sexy.

Sexy? Hmmm, not seeing it. Maybe with the proper lighting, some Barry White to set the mood...

im gonna need more than that. slip me a roofy or two.

[rdub2k4]

lol I need better pics.



Enkei Raijin's powdercoated Snow Cone White, 18x8.5 +35 on 225/40's

[Qashqai]

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[rdub2k4]

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lol.

[ImStricken06]

[rdub2k4]

lol that's good man

[ImStricken06]

your new avatar actually looks hot. good find sQash!

[Qashqai]

lol that's good man

Better than my Giggity

[Rogue One]

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