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greg_atlanta wrote:Hmmm... seems the only successful alternative to cutting back on carbs is to exercise A LOT.

Anybody tried medicines or supplements to help? One book I read suggested probiotic digestive aids (acidophilus, like what's in yogurt) and L-glutamine (helps in protein synthesis?).

(I'm generally leery of the whole vitamin & supplement industry since they can claim anything they want and set the dosage with increased sales in mind.)
There are 4 fat burners that work. Chromium picolinate, Citrus Aurantium, l carnitine, and Super Citrimax (garcinia cambogia). 3 of 4 are fruit derivatives, i.e. citrus.

Stay away from the ephrendine, ma huang, kola nut, "speed", etc.


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ATL alty max wrote:Stay away from the ephrendine, ma huang, kola nut, "speed", etc.
So I guess those work a little too well!!!

Seems ephedrine (sp?) is the newest party drug.

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It doesn't look like Dr. Atkins' diet is giving him any miracles of health. He had a heart attack at 71, and in the second article seems to be suffering from pneumonia.

I like something closer to Barry Sears' "zone" diet. It balances about 40% carbs with 40% protein, and the rest fat. Seems to work pretty well, if you keep active. You feel good and are not hungry all the time.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH...diet/

http://www.freep.com/news/heal...8.htm

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A well balanced diet combined with an active healthy lifestyle will encourage vitality and good health. :)

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The guy is 71.......... and he has been battling heart problems for years and his father died of a heart attack as well. If you dont know the whole story and just blurt something out you end up looking foolish. Did you even read the artical you posted.......READ IT. It says that it wasnt related to his diet at all. Man it bothers me when people just dont think before they speak.http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH...diet/

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The article also says he has been following his diet since 1963. You might want to look up "keotosis", the state that his diet puts your system into, with the protein overload.

There are opinions/research linking long-term keotosis with muscle damage, including the heart muscle.

If the diet work for you, great. But it certainly is not a road to longevity or longterm health. It will keep the weight off, but it can have some taxing effects on your system, including kidney failure.

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Oh, I don't suppose that someone who has a financial interest in people beleiving his diet hype WOULD claim that their heart attack was in any way related to their long=term diet program, would they?

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Now this is a decent thread.

The Atkins diet (IMHO) is for those who want the easy way out. They want to avoid exercise and they end up with halitosis and acne. I know those that are on the diet and lose weight but it is difficult to sustain muscle mass. Some of them look drab and baggy...like "Death eatin' a soda cracker" as they say. Carbs are good for us and meat should be eaten moderatley (especially red meat). I tried it and couldn't keep my energy levels up at the gym. I eat lots of chicken and turkey breast, fish, eggs, rice, tuna, lean beef, nuts and vegetables. ALL DAY!! 5-6 times a day actually. Staying active and eating right is more fun, more productive and equals longevity. Drink water like a fish and turn off the tube at night and go for a walk the family. Get involved in something... a runners club or wrestling/boxing club. There are things for us busy folk to do.Bench press=405lbs no spot (stay away from creatine)Close grip bench= 315lbs for sets of 5-8 reps5'8 (short troll) 215lbs rock solid.

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I was wondering how long it would take for creatine to pop up. I'm a thin guy and have trouble putting on weight. I can't eat too much. When I discovered Phosphagen a few years ago it was the best thing for me. Straight creatine doesn't work at all. I don't know anything about increased indurance or lifting that extra .25 lb load. I do know that PHos helped to increase my appetite helping me to eat more and therefore take in more calories which is what I needed to build mass. I do drink LOTS of water and Gatorade when I'm on it. I cycle on and off because I've heard of the problems it can cause to your Kidneys. I gained 20 lbs in about four months when I first started. All that weight gain crap did was make me crap. PS I don't load on the PHOs either I don't care what the directions say.

I'm six even and 175 I fluctuate 170-175 but that's better than the 155-160 I used to do. Only due to my long work hours can I not be on a steady program to reach my goal of 200.

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Yeah, I have used the phosphagen also. I think the loading process is a way for you to blow through your product and go buy more. I don't use anything now unless I hit a plateau. I often think that when we buy supplements we work harder because we have just spent a nice chunk of money. Same thing for dietary supplements. "Use this supplement and work out three times a day and eat this and that." You would probably get the same results with out the supplement. Placebo affect comes to mind. Weight gain powder is crap I believe... for what it costs you can buy losts of eggs, meat and potatoes. If you want to gain muscle mass you have to lift HEAVY weight with power movements (bench press, squats, straight bar curls, dead lift etc) and low reps.

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Well, if this thread has done anything... It's convinced me to get off my lazy a$$ and back into working out. I have a very complete home gym and It's been collecting dust since I went back to school. As a result I feel like a flabby little girly-man! I actualy miss lifting and cardio work.

And... I'm totally envious of BIONIQ45... holy shat.... those are some impressive numbers, even at my best I was far off that mark.... Damn son... were you a Marine or something?!!

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Well here are the latest results. I started the Atkins diet 2 months ago and I weigh 161 now, down from the 196. I'm in the best shape of my life, no saggy skin or any other physical blemishes. In fact, I'm starting to see great muscle definition all over. I recently timed myself running a mile and got a time of 6:45. A tremendous achievement considering my previous best was over 10 minutes.

I've had great results so far, my energy level is high and in combination with my strength training, my strength has gone through the roof (just benched a personal best of 280). So am I satisfied with the Atkins diet? You bet.

I'd also like to add that tests of the long-term effects of Ketosis have been inconclusive. Some tests indicate negative effects and some don't. But I've seen other people at the gym who are on the Atkins diet that are in extraordinary shape.

Oddly enough, Mongolians have very-long lifespans. In fact the oldest woman in recorded history was a mongolian, she was 131 I believe, her grandson was 76. In a discovery channel special a year ago, there was a program that documented the stresses high-altitude inhabitants faceyet there was a sheperd that was 119. My point is, Mongolians basically rely on an Atkins diet as vegitation in such high-altitudes, cold climates are scarce so they depend primarily on meat and dairy products. The fact that these people face living conditions that would overwhelm even the most exemplary athlete proves that a primarily meat diet probably doesnt have any ill-effects on the heart.

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The Mongolian example is interesting, but hardly conclusive evidence! There are thousands of other variables to consider that would easily remove any hope of a controlled experiment. As was previously stated,.... if it works for you, great. I just feel it is ignoring nature and our human biology. It sounds like you have devoted a great deal of hard work to bettering yourself, congrats! But, I bet your results have a lot to do with hard work, and the fact that you are at least paying close attention to your food intake. Keep up the good work.. I'm envious!

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Sopdadope,The average life expectancy of a Mongolian is 62-67 years compared to 75-78 for Americans. Andorra is the highest at 83.5 and the lowest is Zambia at 37.2. There are many factors that determine this: wealth of a nation, political and economical stability (wars), health care infrastructures and disease, etc. Eating meat and cheese sandwiches washed down by goat milk does not insure a long life span (it will insure constipation though).

For every case of someone living to be 130 there are probably a few thousand cases of someone dying at 60 and living the same life style. And I doubt Mongolian record keeping is perfect enough to document a 131 year old goat milker.

Be sure to take some vitamins to compensate for the nutrients your body is being deprived of. Eating a balanced diet will push that bench press up another 30-50lbs. We can eat healthily without eating bags of chips and loaves of bread. Good luck on your diet. What type of exercises do you do to improve bench press?

Maineimport, I am not military. I started lifting weights years ago and got addicted is all.

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Check this site for life expectancy info by countries.http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idbsum.html

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BIONICQ45 wrote:Sopdadope,The average life expectancy of a Mongolian is 62-67 years compared to 75-78 for Americans. Andorra is the highest at 83.5 and the lowest is Zambia at 37.2. There are many factors that determine this: wealth of a nation, political and economical stability (wars), health care infrastructures and disease, etc. Eating meat and cheese sandwiches washed down by goat milk does not insure a long life span (it will insure constipation though).

For every case of someone living to be 130 there are probably a few thousand cases of someone dying at 60 and living the same life style. And I doubt Mongolian record keeping is perfect enough to document a 131 year old goat milker.
First of all, the Mongolian diet is not strictly meat and milk. Over the past decade and a half, since the beginning of the collapse of Soviet socialism, mongolians have been forced to a more limited diet. During the socialism years, the government provided tremendous support in terms of distributing money and raw materials to the agricultural system. Since 1990, there has been no such support because Mongolians now have to rely on a centralized economy and government that has done little but hamstring the way of life of the Mongolian people. Thus over the past decade, fresh vegetables and fruits have been hard, if not impossible, to come by. This has caused a rash of malnutrition, growth stunting and other health diseases due to lack of vitamins and nutrients which probably explains the overall shorter lifespan of Mongolians today.

I'd also like to point out that the population of Mongolia is only a fraction of the U.S. population, not even 1% yet they had numerous individuals aged 110 or more, how many do we have here in the States? The oldest "official" Mongolian native was 113 but there have been many, some much older than that snubbed by Guinness because they could not provide "proper documetation." I agree with you though, I highly doubt a Mongolian goat milker would carry an official birth certificate on him anytime soon. 62-67 is not bad considering these people still rely on herbs and "potions" to cure their illnesses, have no form of healthcare whatsoever, eat diets totally lacking vegetables and fruits, in some cases spending their entire lives living at altitudes upwards of a mile and a half in predominantly wintery climates. I'd say that's not bad at all. Let's compare that with the States, we have the highest rate of obesity in the world, highest rate of heart disease, cancer, etc.

With the advent of the growing tourism industry in Mongolia, they are now able to grow vegetable and fruits much like they did in the days of socialism so they're situation is improving.

Last thing I want to add is that my diet consists of let's say 50% meat and 50% veggies. I eat lots of seafood- salmon, calamari, oysters, lobsters (i'm addicted to sushi) and lots of lean meat like turkey and chicken breasts. Occassionally I'd have a steak or some pork chops here and there. I eat plenty of veggies and a fruit salad every morning (which contains the "meat" of my carbs). I limit my carb count to a maximum of 50 grams of carbs a day.

Exercises to improve my bench press? hmmm... I most do dumbell presses, 45 lbs. each. on all the benches, flat,incline decline. I also do tons of pushups everynight, 3 sets of 60.

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You make some valid arguments. On the Morning Show everyday there are Americans showcased by Smuckers for being over 100 years of age...documented. Atleast 3 or 4 every week day. Thats atleast 740-1040 ancient folks in the states. Not counting those who are not being showcased. Not bad I would say.

I'm no expert but have you tried negatives on the bench press? They really push me past my plateaus. Weighted dips are miracle workers also. I like the dumbell presses and flyes as a warm up to some heavy bench sets (75-80% of max).

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I mostly agree with BionicQ45: -Eat 5-6 small portions a day. -Eat lots of chicken and turkey breast, fish, eggs, rice, tuna, lean beef, nuts and vegetables. -Get involved in something -Drink alot of waterIn addition: -Maintian a regular sleep pattern -Stay away from processed foods -Exercise ratio- (avg person) 85%weight bearing /%15 aerobic When you reach muscle failure with weight bearing exercise you raise your metabolism for DAYS versus only a couple HOURS with aerobic exercise. You will lose fat more quickly with weight bearing exercise. Your total weight may not go down quickly because you are reducing fat weight but increasing muscle weight. This shouldn't bother you unless you are gay or a waif model. You will acheive a more attractive appearence and you can back off a little if you feel you are getting bulky. Running is great for you if you will enjoy joint and muscle problems throughout your lower body the last quarter of your life. Do non-impact aerobic. Besides, have you seen how sickly professional runners look? Carbs hold 2-3 times their weight in water. Alot of the instantaneous weight loss from the Atkins diet is only water. Don't be concerned with max lift weight. I don't forsee having to push a 400 lb tree off my chest anytime soon, so who cares. I feel great, look great, and get the girl:cuddle . That's all that could possibly matter.

Disclaimer: Works great for me. Those are just my opinions, consult your doctor

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I lost around 65 to 70 pounds back in 2000. I was doing low carb with the exception of grapefruit juice (heck of a fat burner). And I was eating four xenidrine (I know I can't spell).

I lost 18 pounds in a week in a half. Salads, alot of tuna, water, and chicken. Now of course this loss did not stay perminent. I gained it back plus some.

But if you do a low carb diety and exercise you will lose. But you have to switch over to a low fat type diet at some point. The low carb is just not healthy for long periods of time, unless you are taking the suppliments like with the Atkins diety system. But hey, it cost to much to do that for too long.

Anyway, info from a fat boy.

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I lost 18 pounds in a week in a half. Salads, alot of tuna, water, and chicken. Now of course this loss did not stay perminent. I gained it back plus some.

-that's good stuff right there...

but one thing, never to do... sorry I didn't read this whole post, but DO NOT STARVE URSELF!

starving yourself is the worst possible thing you can do, it can slow down your metabolism for the rest of your life... I was also on a very very very very very low carb diet / high in the protein (supplements)

ended up gaining weight, but being a weight lifter, this is what I expect ... it does work, it burns body fat ...

I am now 8% body fat, I used to be 12%

check out http://www.abcbodybuilding.com for info, the diet is called 13 weeks of hardcore fat burning


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