loose spark plugs?

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bcuz
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ok im getting some ngk plugs tommorow and I need to know how to gap them and what tools I need? I know this sounds like a dumb question but everyone has to start somewhere. I would ask my brother but hes lazy.

before I buy them I think I might be able to fix the misfiring without new plugs. when I put new wires on today I could jiggle the plugs around ... know what I mean? they where not like tight or anything. This doesnt seem right but I could be wrong, if they arent supposed to be like that then how do I tighten them and how much do I tighten them and with what?

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You tightened them back up right???

Edit: get a spark plug socket and a 6 inch extension, tighten those things back up until they feel nice and snug!

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NGK's are pregapped as long as they are for your car as listed you will not need to worry about the gapping of them. no plugs should not wiggle. dont know torq specs on them but i run them in till they seat and go like a half a turn .all done by feel for me once the looseness is gone during the tightening process, i know the washer is compressed then i go that 1/4 to 1/2 a turn to secure them. but keep in mind you should be able to run it to the washer by hand (without a rachet attached to the extension) if you cant then you need to clean the threads either with a thread chaser or carb clean unless someone cross threaded the last set in.

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you always beat me to it scott, im trying to get my post count up!! :)

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Does ANYBODY use torque specs for spark plugs? I've always just done it by feel just like Nistech said.

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USE ANTISIZE! I always do. makes such a difference when it comes to plug removal (which is about twice a day for me ;))

they come out and go back in like butter

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yo guys also I have this bolt on my car that seems kinda loose... like I can wiggle it a little bit, know what I mean? It's almost as if it's not tight enough- is this normal? Maybe if I buy aftermarket bolts from autozone that will fix this problem? How much horsepower will I get from this mod?

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What bolt? If it's the one holding the main pulley on, that's supposed to be loose so the pulley can spin freely and not put parasitic drag on the engine.

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This particular bolt is holding an APC sticker to my hood. I did the mod myself and it looks pretty tyte if I do say so myself. Anyways I am worried about not getting as much horsepowers as this particular sticker (APC type R X-Tr3me) gives if the stock bolt is loose. Or maybe it's supposed to be that way I donno...?

Also:

"I was workin in the garage when there was a fire. I quickly determined that it was a grease fire. Now I know grease fires are different from other type blazes, but I wasnt sure how to handle this type of confligration...." any advice?

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For grease fires you ALWAYS want to spray them with water at as high a pressure as possible, make sure to really get it good! I cant help you with the sticker though man, we need an outside opinion!

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the sticker is mad tyte and jdm/edm/cdm/usdm. its that tyte

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yup, a dab o' antiseize on the threads n torque to 13-17 ft-lbs.

I always check the gap on any plugs, since the transportation of them may have shifted it...

a dab of silicone grease on the other end of the plug so u can disconnect the wires easily in the future.

hmm, grease fire? urine would do the trick! it's low pH level acts like an acid n would be like adding dish detergent to break up the grease:D

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fiznat wrote:yo guys also I have this bolt on my car that seems kinda loose... like I can wiggle it a little bit, know what I mean? It's almost as if it's not tight enough- is this normal? Maybe if I buy aftermarket bolts from autozone that will fix this problem? How much horsepower will I get from this mod?
Grow up sunshine!

that is usless info regarding this thread.

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lol thats right, I'm a grumpy, grumpy old man. hahaha I apologise, I just couldnt help myself :(

bcuz: you need to tighten those spark plugs with a socket that fits... any number of problems can be caused by loose spark plugs, including possibly mis-firing. As for gapping, you can get little feeler guages at any auto parts store that measure the gap of the electrode.

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fiznat your funny and all but you got me all wrong. Im not a /2|c3 |3oi .. just never changed plugs before, never needed to, this is my first car. I pretty much just learn as I go. The plugs where a lil loose but not htat much, I just got some ngks and put them in .. problem on the last plug.. I had trouble getting it out.. then it was a lil funny going in.. because of my 'learn as I go' nature, I have expierenced stripped or crooked threads before. I stopped screwing in the plug and took the wire off the plug next to it. when I compared them the one looked to be in crooked and was way farther out. So pretty much I have a permanent misfire :(

who ever had the car before me must have been a moron that didnt know how to use a torque wrench, but its too late to worry about that now. This car as givin me too much problems, Im gonna sell it and get a clean coupe.

that is unless of course my old metal shop teacher can show me how to re tap the hole.. but I dont want to end up not being able to put any plug in there at all because I mess up the retap. then I would jsut havea car that doesnt run at all :(

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ouch bcuz that SUCKS... man, crossed spark plug threads is the worst too, cause you have to worry about so many other things. You could probably put a helicoil in there but it will most likely never be the same... you're right, I'd either sell the car (although I dont know how much you'd get it for unless your dishonest), or find a new head... The latter might even be a better option for ya.

Keep us posted on what happens... haha and sorry about my comments earlier haha it just sounded REAL stupid to have plugs just sitting in their holes all loose... but I guess everyone makes mistakes: hell, Advance Auto's funny car lost last week because the pit crew forgot to put in a spark plug. Imagine that!

heh anyways good luck with your car man!

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Well chekc htis out.. first of all my brother convinced me to buy it, it was sitting at a gas station not running for 300$ I talked him down to 250$ but the problem was it was automatic, but my older brother convinced me that 240s where godly (and they are) and that it wouldnt be too much trouble to swap to manual and he would help me out(of course when I ask him to help me get started finding parts for manual swap he says"oh we are putting a sr20 in it and auto is acutally better for turbo cars" at this point I almost killed him). Anyways he did help a little and had his freind try and fix the car up to sell it and me and the mechanic (his friend) would whatever the car was sold for. but then the mechanic got lazy and I just took my car back and said **** him. So the body was still messed up but hte car ran. So I have an automatic 240sx with some frame damage in the front, a bit of trans problems and a neverending missfire. Oh and the muffler is pretty badly rusted.

So the idea of swapping in a new head, is out of the question.. People have been plenty dishonest to me.. so Im gonna sell th car, If they ask Ill tell em that it is misfiring but I dont nkow why and let them find out.

Im looking into buying another 240, there are a couple nice ones in the area and even some nice ones out of state that are clean and have nice price tags, so I might take a trip. who knows, but this 240 aint cuttin it (oh and I didnt even mention the electrical problems.. but thats a whole 'nother story)

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I dont approve of dishonesty...I think you should consider parting it out. I know you can get at least your money back that way and you dont have to screw someone else over to do it.

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I completely agree with Nathan. Why would you want to screw someone else over, just because you got a bum deal? Granted, a knowledgable buyer would check absolutely everything there was to check before making a decision, but a head's up would be greatly appreciated.

Besides, in the cycle of life, that bad karma will come back and bite you in the a$$. When your rear axle falls off for no apparent reason, you'll know what's up.

bcuz
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nah man it aint even like that. The car runs, it is pretty reliable, the only real issue would be exhuast problems. For a beater car its fine. A lot of people just want a car that will get them places and htis car will do just that. The trans isnt running like its new or anything but Its not gonna fall apart tommorow. Its worth 600$ atleast I bought it for 250 and put atleast 250 into it. Ive seen 240s with no motor or trans in it goe for 1000$ ... I mean really, Im not cheatin anyone.


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