Looking for my first stick shift car...

[Metal4Life..95s14]

what should i get,
A. 2000 honda civic si
B. 97 jetta trek
C. 98 audi a4
D. 2003 nissan sentra spec-V SER

Ive seen all the cars for sale, what are pros and cons

[troskinatior]

Id get something older and less expensive. Are you paying for it?

[Dattebayo]

Whatever you get you're gonna have to get a new clutch on it in less than 5K miles. Keep that in mind.

[ADDirishboy]

Whatever you get you're gonna have to get a new clutch on it in less than 5K miles. Keep that in mind.

May I ask why?

[Metal4Life..95s14]

Id get something older and less expensive. Are you paying for it?

fook yeah im paying for it..IN CASH.

[Dattebayo]

Because most people burn the fu*k out of the clutch when they learn to drive on that vehicle. Not to mention the transmission damage...

Maybe you don't have that problem in the land of no hills.

[Joe]

Whatever you get you're gonna have to get a new clutch on it in less than 5K miles. Keep that in mind.

wtf are you talking about. i taught 3 ex girlfriends to drive on my moms passat back in the day and it had its original clutch till over 80k when she sold it

its in the way the person is taught.

[Dattebayo]

WTF am I talking about? I'm talking about seeing it all the time at the shop in my town. Kid learns to drive, clutch goes soon after. Used car. I guess I don't know anything tho, right?

[Joe]

WTF am I talking about? I'm talking about seeing it all the time at the shop in my town. Kid learns to drive, clutch goes soon after. Used car. I guess I don't know anything tho, right?

and what do i know either right? im just a certified NASA track instructor, hold a few racing licenses, turned wrenches as a technician, and managed repair shops in my past.

if you teach someone to drive a stick improperly, they will burn up a clutch. if you know what youre doing, they will be fine.

[Dattebayo]

and what do i know either right? im just a certified NASA track instructor, hold a few racing licenses, turned wrenches as a technician, and managed repair shops in my past.

if you teach someone to drive a stick improperly, they will burn up a clutch. if you know what youre doing, they will be fine.

I'm sure that just means it doesn't happen at all tho, right?

Maybe you should offer to teach the guy. I was just trying to help with some info. Thanks very much.

[Joe]

well dont scare the kid saying he WILL need a clutch in 5k miles cause thats a flat out f*** lie.

[ADDirishboy]

The truck I learned stick on never needed a new clutch until I sold it to another kid and then he burnt it up learning. I was taught the right way, he obviously was not.

Like Joe said. It's all in the way you're taught.

[Mr1der]

of the cars listed, I'd opt for the Civic...cheap to maintain and mod and much more fun to drive than any others listed.

driving a stick isn't difficult....the Civic has a pretty slick shift too....the Spec V is something like a stick in gravel with a very tight gate.

[MinisterofDOOM]

well dont scare the kid saying he WILL need a clutch in 5k miles cause thats a flat out f**king lie.

Clutch wear is what people seem to unfailingly mention when I talk about my hatred for automatics and preference for manuals (the irony of my own automatic is not lost on me). To that I say: I'd rather replace my clutch every year than deal with a SINGLE automatic transmission rebuild.

With a manual trans, you perform basic maintenance on wear items and fluids.
With an automatic trans, you spend every second of ownership postponing the day the transmission WILL fail. It's not maintenance, it's life support. The day you drive a brand new automatic-equipped car off the lot, failure is inevitable. It's just a matter of time.
The only exception to this rule is heavy duty truck transmissions.

I hate automatic transmissions. Damn them to Hell.

[Jesda]

On cars like the BMW E34 or the older Saab 900, the clutch is only a 60 to 90-minute job.

[raremotive]

AMC Gremlin would make a great learner's stick shift car

[Koshin]

Ummmmm, how about something rear wheel drive fool

[Metal4Life..95s14]

Found out today the nissan and civic were sold, the vw has the bike racks on top of it but id drive it, and im not gonna even bother with the audi.

I like the s14's but don't see any, ive only seen beat up s13's with 200,000 miles. I want a RWD car but im a picky mo-fo. but id drive a s13 though because of the awsome pop up headlights, styling capabilities, and performance options.

[Jesda]

Find yourself a Miata.

[93coupe]

From your list- the Civic.

But you need RWD. Not a Miata (I only say this because I look over the windshield of them and can't own one so nobody else should either)

[_b.jaye_]

i taught myself in a 4-door '97 sentra. ugly as sin, but it was a pretty forgiving drivetrain to someone just learning & after i got the hang of it, i couldnt tear the thing up. for all the beating it saw, the clutch lasted the whole 50K or so miles i owned it.

[AZ89two4Tsx]

Just get an S13.

Miatas are worthless unless you have a bigger car.

[Mr1der]

meh, I say get the Si.

you're getting more car for the money than you would by spending it on an S chassis.

[confused9]

i say Si also but f*** a friend's manual up first

[tm1218]

the Civic(as much as I hate fwd) is your best choice from the cars listed. Audi A4 = pile of s***. get it if you want a car that will need repairs every month. the Sentra is the second best choice. the Jetta being third.

[AZ89two4Tsx]

Those gen Civics have a weird shifter. It's on the dash. Pic for reference.



Mr1der, does your arm ever get tired?

[Otto.]

Those gen Civics have a weird shifter. It's on the dash. Pic for reference.



Mr1der, does your arm ever get tired?

Why would his arm get tired? It's more ergonomic than a normal shift location. It looks bad but it works. It's almost like a (I know that this is a bad comparison) race car. You barely have to move your arm to reach it.

[AZ89two4Tsx]

Some people's arms get tired easily.

[Klits562]

I think your arm would get tired if you were the type of person who always drives with one hand on the shifter. That design would probably be more comfortable with someone who always has there hands on the wheels. It does look like a cool set up though I'd give it a shot before shooting it down.

[Otto.]

I think your arm would get tired if you were the type of person who always drives with one hand on the shifter. That design would probably be more comfortable with someone who always has there hands on the wheels. It does look like a cool set up though I'd give it a shot before shooting it down.

Good point. I'm sure you would snap out of the habit though if the shifter was all the way up there. :P