Looking for a new engine..
Looking for a new engine..
So my ka goes bad and costs me 1400 trying to fix it with nothing at the end. i decided to give up and get a new engine. my heart was on an sr20 redtop. but then my school bills and all of that came out an thought about getting another KA. but i MIGHT be able to get a redtop. this is my first time doing this, i was looking at some engines on ebay and i found this, iam guessing this is a KAhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...QrdZ1And aslo this sr20 redtop which is more expensive, but i dont' even think they have everything i need there for a swaphttp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...QrdZ1what you guys think, i need help please. i've been reading for 2 days but i still need some of you guy's opinionsthanks
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wickedpelf
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no the first engine is an sr20de..no turbo, i know i spent 6 grand on my engine swap...so if u think ur gonna spend 3500(like what i thought at first) you are wrong...its ussually double what u first think...or u could do what one guy did on ebay and get an sr20de and turbo it...i think theres a thread in general about it called "240sx on ebay' or soemthing along those lines
Re: (wickedpelf)
i see. that sucks man. so iam just guessing iam gonna get the sr20de without the turbo. why would it cost double though? what if i get frontclip? because i have a guy who can put it on for me for about 600 or even cheaper
Re: (WESIDA)
alright i just did alot of reading on Sr20 and Ka24de. i guess for my budget its better to get a ka again and just slap it on. since i already have everything i need. transmission etc..my old ka is retarded i spent alot of money to fix that pos, new head, new alot of things, fuel injectors, MAFS, regulator, belts, timing kit. and still a pos. so iam guessing i should just get another ka and keep the other one for parts. i mean for a car if i can get 200whp or even hp. i will be a very happy driver. what do you guys think.
Re: (fatboy)
he's a mechanic friend. meaning a pro mechanic, but a friend of mine. not the other dude who worked on my ka either. fatboy, i can't turbo my ka cause is fked up man remember? so theres no way but to slap another engine on.. do you think i should put another ka in there then turbo it later on? i think it would be cheaper that way, at least for nowbtw why is it double to swap sr20det, 6000 for a swap. the engine is only around 2000-2700. plus labor to put it for me max is 1000?i think if i get the whole engine with eveyrthing needed for tha tmuch it shouldn't cost that muchsorry for the questions if they are repeated somewhere else, iam new into thisfatboy wrote:haha. you can get a guy? thats sounding shady already, i dont care if he's a friend. ive seen many a friendship broken up in situations like that. turboing a ka24de is the cheaper route
Re: (semirb86)
did the engine have any problems with it? its a ka24de iam guessing . iam still decding i guess on whether to get an sr20det or ka24de (i know they have some diffrences, but its because school has come out now and iam kind of low on budget). how much are you selling the ka for?semirb86 wrote:i got a kade if you are looking for one, has about 120 on it
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1991S13
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I would stay away from eBay when buying something big and expensive like an engine. That has rip off written all over it. Cheapest way is to get a used KA - a friend told me $500 can get me his engine and transmission with 70k on it. It's tempting, but after the college bills I would really like to get one built from Phat KA-T.
Re: (1991S13)
hehe, man i keep changing my mind on SR or KA. imeanKAis pretty powerful and fast, sr is beautiful but its very expensive. i just need someone to confense me to get another used KA24DE, that would be nice since i would have money to mod it instead of getting sr20det. where is a good source to get used good milage KA's? if i can find one like you said 70k i would buy it ont he spot. is your friend still selling it?1991S13 wrote:I would stay away from eBay when buying something big and expensive like an engine. That has rip off written all over it. Cheapest way is to get a used KA - a friend told me $500 can get me his engine and transmission with 70k on it. It's tempting, but after the college bills I would really like to get one built from Phat KA-T.
Re: (WESIDA)
you mean convince?
redtops are starting to show their age... ive heard horror stories of the older SR's (redtops) weird rocker fork thing assemblies failing and leading to munched valves, cuz SR's are interference engines. Honstly noone wants to let you know what kind of conditions it was stored in and for exactly how long before they powerwash/degrease it, tie it to a pallet and send it to you. The only way someone can get compression on a motorset is cold. Otherwise theyd have to mount it to something and hook up a cooling system and some sort of fuel delivery, plus the ecu which takes time for them and is annoying so they may not have even done it if they say they did... plus cold comp checks are inaccurate, and dont even tell you if its got good oil rings or good oil pump if they even did go thru the effort of cranking it over cold. And then theres no telling the condition of the turbo or getting it replaced buy the seller if its bad cuz its considered a 'wear item' like the water pump.
if you spend the $$ on a front clip, a place like Jarco will send you a video of it running and they do compression checks while its Hot. Plus clips come with everything you could possibly need for a stock sr setup, and you can steal the front brakes & it might come with a better coldpipe or some other goodies and all sorts of hardware and hoses and crap youd never expect to need. you just gotta remove 2 engines, and cut up and haul away the half cut when youre done.
You can easily get 230whp SAFELY out of a KADE for around $3k including new Gt28R turbo. cheaper if you cut corners like using sr smic, stock pistons, used t25, etc. With a good tune, as long as the motor was/will be well maintained, a stock KADE should last well over a year of daily driving if you turbo it at 100k+ miles. Might need rod bearings prematurely.. but arguing that, new rod bearings + piston rings + cometic head gasket +felpro upper gasket set + ARP head/main studs will be around $650. then yr talkin really good longevity and reliability, as long as you dont turn up the boost a lot.
either way it costs $. but the only reason id get an SR is because it looks trick in the engine bay.
redtops are starting to show their age... ive heard horror stories of the older SR's (redtops) weird rocker fork thing assemblies failing and leading to munched valves, cuz SR's are interference engines. Honstly noone wants to let you know what kind of conditions it was stored in and for exactly how long before they powerwash/degrease it, tie it to a pallet and send it to you. The only way someone can get compression on a motorset is cold. Otherwise theyd have to mount it to something and hook up a cooling system and some sort of fuel delivery, plus the ecu which takes time for them and is annoying so they may not have even done it if they say they did... plus cold comp checks are inaccurate, and dont even tell you if its got good oil rings or good oil pump if they even did go thru the effort of cranking it over cold. And then theres no telling the condition of the turbo or getting it replaced buy the seller if its bad cuz its considered a 'wear item' like the water pump.
if you spend the $$ on a front clip, a place like Jarco will send you a video of it running and they do compression checks while its Hot. Plus clips come with everything you could possibly need for a stock sr setup, and you can steal the front brakes & it might come with a better coldpipe or some other goodies and all sorts of hardware and hoses and crap youd never expect to need. you just gotta remove 2 engines, and cut up and haul away the half cut when youre done.
You can easily get 230whp SAFELY out of a KADE for around $3k including new Gt28R turbo. cheaper if you cut corners like using sr smic, stock pistons, used t25, etc. With a good tune, as long as the motor was/will be well maintained, a stock KADE should last well over a year of daily driving if you turbo it at 100k+ miles. Might need rod bearings prematurely.. but arguing that, new rod bearings + piston rings + cometic head gasket +felpro upper gasket set + ARP head/main studs will be around $650. then yr talkin really good longevity and reliability, as long as you dont turn up the boost a lot.
either way it costs $. but the only reason id get an SR is because it looks trick in the engine bay.
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TurboSilvia7587
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Re: (Neil)
theres a shop called R n D factory out here and i was talking to them at formula D yesterday. They said if u have a S13 and if u want a redtop it will be 2600 out the door. motor and swap...i thought that was really cheap.
Re: (180fan)
well heres the deal i have almost 4k. i could get a whole frontclip blacktop for 2500 with intercooler and everything from ebay as what this seller said with great rating. true it is gamb|ing but that is just for now iam not sure if iam gonna buy it from him or not or ever an SR. i could get that engine and get it installed for good price. problem is i could do all of that but i would be stuck with no money for about a couple of months.(meaning i can't buy anything for the car), so i hope the sr runs good after the swap so i can actually drive. for the KA i could get one and install it for alot cheaper since i dont' even need the transmission. and i would have plenty of money with me to trick out the car body itself.headache man lol, still not sure yet, but possibly an sr20
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Dattebayo
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Neil, please dont spread rumors about SR's. It really doesnt inspire quality confidence in Nissan motors (which even the econo SR is considered to be). When you buy a used motor, you should check or rebuild all the moving parts hoses and hoses back to spec.
I dont know that many people who just plop used motors into a car and run it without somekind of replacement parts added in. This doesnt count if you live in a shack with 12 children and a wife in the middle of West Virginia.
There are also other costs involved in adapting a RHD motor into a LHD car.
I dont know that many people who just plop used motors into a car and run it without somekind of replacement parts added in. This doesnt count if you live in a shack with 12 children and a wife in the middle of West Virginia.
There are also other costs involved in adapting a RHD motor into a LHD car.
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hannibal
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I agree with you Neil. I dont know about the prices you mentioned (I assume you mwould be doing all the machine work and assembly yourself).
Avoid Ebay importers like the plague. And if I spent $2500 for a clip or motorset, I wouldnt expect to have to rebuild anything. If you get a long block and want to rebuild, then more power to you. Your cost to complete the engine would be a little cheaper, and you'll know the condition of your motor.
Avoid Ebay importers like the plague. And if I spent $2500 for a clip or motorset, I wouldnt expect to have to rebuild anything. If you get a long block and want to rebuild, then more power to you. Your cost to complete the engine would be a little cheaper, and you'll know the condition of your motor.
Re: Looking for a new engine.. (WESIDA)
dam its difficult. i guess i might as well stick to ka. beacuse iam not gonna be going to drag races. prbly just random street racing. and 200hp to the wheels i think ka can do that with some modifictions. please correct me if iam wrong. plus iam in iowa and i had my 240 last winter. DAYOM it sucks to drive. so i can't imagine with a turbo charged engine. now i just need to find a good KA24DE with good milage on it. do you guys know any websites that sell used or remanufactured KAanother questiong. are remanufactured reliable? like i said iam very new into this whole engine swapping thing. so please help