Lookin at 2012

[stebo0728]

Ok I know we need to get the November elections outta the way, but ... looking at 2012, here is my pick so far, take a look at this guy and see what ya think.

http://www.hermancain.org/

[WDRacing]

The world ends that year...

[AZhitman]

I'm thinking Romney will get the "blessing", but I hope there's some good competition from someone a little more socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

I need to do some more reading on the guy, but I'm liking NJ's governor from what I've seen thus far.

Also, Jindal could be a contender.

[IBCoupe]

I'm thinking Romney will get the "blessing", but I hope there's some good competition from someone a little more socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

I need to do some more reading on the guy, but I'm liking NJ's governor from what I've seen thus far.

Also, Jindal could be a contender.

I don't know about Romney, and I haven't looked too much at NJ's governor. My only concern, though I would probably like to see either one of them as the Republican contender, is that I'm not sure that the most excited Republicans would want it. It's a long ways out, though, so that could change.

While I at first had hopes that the TEA party would result in more "true conservatives," looking much like Greg's "socially liberal and fiscally conservative" Republican candidate, it's becoming more and more apparent that it results in more "s*** crazy conservatives." I'm looking at you, Nevada.

[WDRacing]

"s*** crazy conservatives." I'm looking at you, Nevada.

It's all perspective, they appear "s*** crazy" because your so damn Liberal

[HashiriyaS14]

This will be an extremely tough race for the GOP, even with Obama's plummeting ratings.


The nature of primaries naturally yields a winning candidate who is slightly more extreme than is ideal for a general election, as said candidate is picked ONLY by the base (i.e. registered GOP) and not by the independents who that candidate will have to convince in order to win the White House. This is a problem for both parties, of course, but moreso for whomever is not incumbent (assuming no lame duck) and especially moreso for the GOP because their collective consensus is so much farther right than in prior years.

Honestly, settling for someone like Romney is their only shot, IMO, and I don't see that happening because Tea isn't going to lay down and die like that. Obama would have to screw up something pretty momentous to lose this one. We'd have to be ~March 2009 economically speaking all over again for him to be in real peril.

[stebo0728]

I sortof disagree, I believe Obama is in the red on political currency, and doesnt have much of a hope for re-election, but thats opinion

Take a look at the guy I linked. On one note, hes a black guy (completely black for that matter) but puts Obama to shame in knowledge and experience, so he could effective take the race card completely off the table and make the race a bit more level fielded

[IBCoupe]

That guy lost me at "Hermanator."

[Importroller]

Obama isn't likely to go for another term. Too much talk, and not enough action. but 2012 will be the end of something, thats for sure.

[audtatious]

Obama isn't likely to go for another term. Too much talk, and not enough action. but 2012 will be the end of something, thats for sure.

He will go for another term. I believe he honestly thinks what he is doing and forcing through is good for everyone.

[AZhitman]

http://www.state.nj.us/governor/

http://www.bobbyjindal.com/

[audtatious]

Christie won't run for anything right now and has a lot to prove in the long term. Not sure about Jindal at this point.

[stebo0728]

That guy lost me at "Hermanator."

He says "Herminator" to weed out those who would be turned off by him saying "Herminator" - LOL

Seriously, read up on him, he has far more private sector experience, and would really be able to wrangle this economy.

[HashiriyaS14]

Seriously, read up on him, he has far more private sector experience, and would really be able to wrangle this economy.

If that's all that mattered, Volcker would be President.


I'm not saying Obama is going to win again because he deserves to, I'm saying that electorally, it's likely because the GOP base is fractured in such a way that a walk back to the center after a *very* right-wing primary contest will be incredibly difficult.

I could very well be wrong, but I just don't see it happening unless they can pull a "movement" candidate like Obama or Reagan, and that is statistically very unlikely as those don't come around every four years. Maybe so, but probably not.

[Importroller]

Obama isn't likely to go for another term. Too much talk, and not enough action. but 2012 will be the end of something, thats for sure.

He will go for another term. I believe he honestly thinks what he is doing and forcing through is good for everyone.

Let me restate what i meant. I meant, he won't be likely go get a second term. I'm sure he will run for it though.

[IBCoupe]

Obama isn't likely to go for another term. Too much talk, and not enough action. but 2012 will be the end of something, thats for sure.

Wait, what? He's simultaneously threatening the very fabric of our nation by trampling our Constitution and he's an empty suit?

Can we have a consistent theory as to why President Obama is bad, please?

[WDRacing]

Obama isn't likely to go for another term. Too much talk, and not enough action. but 2012 will be the end of something, thats for sure.

Wait, what? He's simultaneously threatening the very fabric of our nation by trampling our Constitution and he's an empty suit?

Can we have a consistent theory as to why President Obama is bad, please?

I see no mention of trampling the Constitution nor being an empty suit in this thread. No one has to be consistent about opinion either, especially when emotion is involved. Lately the only consistent thing is your undying support for the leftist cool aid

[srellim234]

Based on what I see at this point the Republicans don't have a chance of winning the White House in 2012. They have to pander too much to the extreme factions of the party just to get through the nomination process and the bad experience of the Bush/Cheney years is still too fresh in peoples' minds. The perception of Republican senators and representatives as uncaring, heartless shills for all things corporate and money driven doesn't aid their cause. The low number of registered Republican voters in relationship to the Democrats and independents is a huge stumbling block to overcome, too.

If, and its a big if, the economy begins to turn around I think Obama will be given a second term.

The most likely winner of the 2012 election? Hillary Clinton. She's amassing a pretty good reputation as Secretary of State among the average person on the street, is going to be seen as someone who put personal animosity aside to serve the country when called upon by the President and the Clintons have the campaign structure and experience. Many votes, too, will come just because many are ready to finally pick a woman and get that political barrier over with.

If she continues to stay out of the limelight when it comes to the day-to-day infighting we see in Washington and the press I think she's going to wind up with a strong opportunity to win in 2012. If she runs. She might see her chances as better in 2016 if people can finally get some decent employment.

[HashiriyaS14]

No one has to be consistent about opinion either, especially when emotion is involved. Lately the only consistent thing is your undying support for the leftist cool aid

Untrue, consistency is required here, to a point.

If I get the sense that someone is banging up and down all the threads in this section and looking for an excuse to rant/rave without articulating any consistent position, I'm going to Google Translate all their posts to Latvian.

I'm not implying that anyone's doing this presently, but I just wanted to clarify so that people know what the rules are. It's okay to change your position, everyone does, but it's not okay to be inconsistent as a matter of principle simply to justify one's own desire to be on the soapbox.



Democrats who expect me to overlook unsuitable behavior on their part simply because I happen to still like their President are going to be in for a world of embarrassment, btw.

[IBCoupe]

I see no mention of trampling the Constitution nor being an empty suit in this thread. No one has to be consistent about opinion either, especially when emotion is involved. Lately the only consistent thing is your undying support for the leftist cool aid

I disagree with you on all counts, but that's not too important. Let me modify my statements:

It can't be claimed that President Obama has done nothing. From Lilly Ledbetter to Healthcare to Financial Regulation to troop build-ups in Afghanistan, President Obama's done more in his first two years than any President I've seen in my lifetime.

It may just be that you really don't like what he's done, but to say that he hasn't done anything is Palin-American.

And that I take a position does not mean I've drunk any flavor-aid (corrected for historical accuracy). If y'all would get creative and at least start using some different talking points, I'd have an opportunity to take some different sides.

[audtatious]

It can't be claimed that President Obama has done nothing. From Lilly Ledbetter to Healthcare to Financial Regulation to troop build-ups in Afghanistan, President Obama's done more in his first two years than any President I've seen in my lifetime.

You are correct. With a Dem-owned super majority and a Dem President there has been a lot passed. Obama has pressed forth to pass exactly what he claimed he wanted to while ignoring campaign promises of ending deficit spending, ending the wars, being transparent, etc. IMO, this time in history will be seen as one of stupidity where people passed legislature simply for its name and not for the content of the bills themselves as they didn't bother reading them before voting. The sheeple who voted for him due to Hope and Change are starting to regret their decision, not like McLame was such a good alternative.

It may just be that you really don't like what he's done, but to say that he hasn't done anything is Palin-American.

What is it with you leftist elite wannabe's fixating on Palin?

And that I take a position does not mean I've drunk any flavor-aid (corrected for historical accuracy). If y'all would get creative and at least start using some different talking points, I'd have an opportunity to take some different sides.

Why? Even Obama still blames Bush and the GOP for everything wrong with things today. Why should Conservatives or Independents have to be any different than the broken records your side preaches?

[WDRacing]

Untrue, consistency is required here, to a point.

If I get the sense that someone is banging up and down all the threads in this section and looking for an excuse to rant/rave without articulating any consistent position, I'm going to Google Translate all their posts to Latvian.

I disagree with you on all counts, but that's not too important. Let me modify my statements:

It can't be claimed that President Obama has done nothing. From Lilly Ledbetter to Healthcare to Financial Regulation to troop build-ups in Afghanistan, President Obama's done more in his first two years than any President I've seen in my lifetime.

It may just be that you really don't like what he's done, but to say that he hasn't done anything is Palin-American.

And that I take a position does not mean I've drunk any flavor-aid (corrected for historical accuracy). If y'all would get creative and at least start using some different talking points, I'd have an opportunity to take some different sides.

Apparently I didn't express enough sarcasm earlier...lol. I was just screwing with IBC I thought the statement was off enough to be obvious. I'll add more smilies next time.

[HashiriyaS14]

Apparently I didn't express enough sarcasm earlier...lol. I was just screwing with IBC I thought the statement was off enough to be obvious. I'll add more smilies next time.

I was just looking for an excuse for a PSA, I realized what you were getting at.

[WDRacing]

Apparently I didn't express enough sarcasm earlier...lol. I was just screwing with IBC I thought the statement was off enough to be obvious. I'll add more smilies next time.

I was just looking for an excuse for a PSA, I realized what you were getting at.

PSA?

[IBCoupe]

What is it with you leftist elite wannabe's fixating on Palin?

'Cause it's an internet meme, playing up the "don't say 'retarded'" push recently, and it has very little to do with leftists or even Palin herself?

Why? Even Obama still blames Bush and the GOP for everything wrong with things today. Why should Conservatives or Independents have to be any different than the broken records your side preaches?

I have no side but "not yours." It's called "contrarianism," and if nothing else, it's an exercise in mental acuity:
Pleased to meet you; hope you guessed my name.
Opposing you is the nature of my game.

Apparently I didn't express enough sarcasm earlier...lol. I was just screwing with IBC I thought the statement was off enough to be obvious. I'll add more smilies next time.

Haha, sorry, dude. As may be apparent by the above-quoted portions, sometimes it's hard to pick that stuff out.

[audtatious]

It don't mean nuthin. I'm just a flyover racist that should be ignored anyway.