Idling high, around 2500 to 3000. I believe it's something to do with the timing or fuel mixture . Here's what I've done to the truck, head gasket, timing kit,oil pump water pump, tune up parts, fuel pump. I am not an avid mechanic and this is my first time diving this deep into it but have read for countless hours before doing all work and have been meticulous as possible but I'm kind of stuck at this point. I can get it to idle down by placing firm pressure on the primary throttle bracket towards the drivers side. Adjusting fuel mixture doesn't seem to affect it,also the factory set idle screw has the cap pulled off so I have no idea how of that is. I don't own a timing light yet but I assume I need a good idle before that. In other carb pictures I see the dash pot is touching the adjusting screw,mine is not. Any help would be great!waynosworld wrote:What is your issue/problem?
So I'm assuming at this point it is fuel related, I can turn the idle screws in or out as much as I want and it does not affect the high idle, the only thing that does is pressure on the throttle bracket also pressing down on the accelerator pump arm which does the same thing. So too much fuel? Has no problem starting and choke works properly.waynosworld wrote:What is your issue/problem?
83720z24 wrote:Idling high, around 2500 to 3000. I believe it's something to do with the timing or fuel mixture . Here's what I've done to the truck, head gasket, timing kit,oil pump water pump, tune up parts, fuel pump. I am not an avid mechanic and this is my first time diving this deep into it but have read for countless hours before doing all work and have been meticulous as possible but I'm kind of stuck at this point. I can get it to idle down by placing firm pressure on the primary throttle bracket towards the drivers side. Adjusting fuel mixture doesn't seem to affect it,also the factory set idle screw has the cap pulled off so I have no idea how of that is. I don't own a timing light yet but I assume I need a good idle before that. In other carb pictures I see the dash pot is touching the adjusting screw,mine is not. Any help would be great!waynosworld wrote:What is your issue/problem?
I did spray some around yesterday but ran out shortly, will pick some more up today. Most of the vacuum lines and caps are newer because most of the emissions have been removed. The only emission part that hasn't been deleted is one vacumm line from bottom of egr to the bottom of the part directly next to it toward the drivers side, short line about 4 inches. Still a little confused if the egr is still in use or not.float_6969 wrote:The high idle sounds like a vacuum leak to me. Have you tried spraying carb cleaner everywhere and see if it changes the idle at all?
Let's say the egr valve is the only emissions part I keep, what should be plumbed to where as far as vacuum lines, I am going to remove,take apart and clean egr tonight. Also what would one use to plug egr tube ends on exhaust /intake manifolds?float_6969 wrote:If the EGR valve is still plumbed into the intake manifold, the valve could be stuck open and can cause high idle issues. It won't show up when you spray carb cleaner because it's drawing air in from the exhaust manifold(s). If you don't have emission compliance to deal with, then I would remove the EGR tube and cap it on both ends.
http://imgur.com/a/9BNKrfloat_6969 wrote:That I don't know.
All wires were connected that go directly to the carb. The solenoid wasn't powered because the power goes into the harness and then goes to a vacuum switch on the passenger side which had been removed with other emissions parts from prior owner. The previous owner left all vacuum lines and parts with truck thankfully, the solenoid now has power. I am currently restoring all vacuum lines and emissions parts to start fresh. The symptoms you described though lead me to think it's still a vacuum leak and not the shut off solenoid, it has no problem starting. But once started it races up to 2500 to 3000 rpm.waynosworld wrote:The anti-dieseling solenoid is the idle fuel cutoff valve, it will not idle properly without power to it, to get it to run at all one would have to keep the rpms up high to where the idle circuit wasn't being used.
In theory every time one let off the pedal it would die unless one were to keep feathering the pedal giving it fuel to run on, you need to wire the solenoid for power, maybe all your issues will go away.
In my first post to this thread I asked you, "Are you sure you got all the wires put back on the carb after the head gasket change?", you need to connect all the wires to the carb, otherwise it will never run properly.
83720z24 wrote:All wires were connected that go directly to the carb. The solenoid wasn't powered because the power goes into the harness and then goes to a vacuum switch on the passenger side which had been removed with other emissions parts from prior owner. The previous owner left all vacuum lines and parts with truck thankfully, the solenoid now has power. I am currently restoring all vacuum lines and emissions parts to start fresh. The symptoms you described though lead me to think it's still a vacuum leak and not the shut off solenoid, it has no problem starting. But once started it races up to 2500 to 3000 rpm.waynosworld wrote:The anti-dieseling solenoid is the idle fuel cutoff valve, it will not idle properly without power to it, to get it to run at all one would have to keep the rpms up high to where the idle circuit wasn't being used.
In theory every time one let off the pedal it would die unless one were to keep feathering the pedal giving it fuel to run on, you need to wire the solenoid for power, maybe all your issues will go away.
In my first post to this thread I asked you, "Are you sure you got all the wires put back on the carb after the head gasket change?", you need to connect all the wires to the carb, otherwise it will never run properly.
So I believe I screwed up royally, I thought I was being thurogh when I marked the timing chain (colored link) on cam shafts sprocket before I did timing kit. So I reinstalled the new timing kit accordingly, but I'm assuming it had jumped timing after the chain guide on drivers side broke (found the part in oil pan) in the book it clearly has the colored link directly over the number 2 mark. Please confirm my beginners mistake, thank you. http://imgur.com/QLi8m0H83720z24 wrote:All wires were connected that go directly to the carb. The solenoid wasn't powered because the power goes into the harness and then goes to a vacuum switch on the passenger side which had been removed with other emissions parts from prior owner. The previous owner left all vacuum lines and parts with truck thankfully, the solenoid now has power. I am currently restoring all vacuum lines and emissions parts to start fresh. The symptoms you described though lead me to think it's still a vacuum leak and not the shut off solenoid, it has no problem starting. But once started it races up to 2500 to 3000 rpm.waynosworld wrote:The anti-dieseling solenoid is the idle fuel cutoff valve, it will not idle properly without power to it, to get it to run at all one would have to keep the rpms up high to where the idle circuit wasn't being used.
In theory every time one let off the pedal it would die unless one were to keep feathering the pedal giving it fuel to run on, you need to wire the solenoid for power, maybe all your issues will go away.
In my first post to this thread I asked you, "Are you sure you got all the wires put back on the carb after the head gasket change?", you need to connect all the wires to the carb, otherwise it will never run properly.
83720z24 wrote:I'm assuming having two teeth off on timing is the route of my issues?
OK, so I just got done redoing valve lash using the cold settings found on this site 0.008 intake and 0.009 . I can't remember what I set them at prior but it was way off. My garage no longer reeks of unburned fuel and the engine runs so much better. I still have the high idle at about 2000, if I apply pressure on the throttle bracket it idles down nicely. But the adjustment screws seem to do very little, I have the idle screw turned way out to get to the current idle speed, and I can turn the factory set mixture screw in or out as much as I want without any affect. I will take apart and clean egr still to ensure its not stuck. I did install a new fuel pump, any chance it could be pumping too much fuel? The pump came up as compatible.float_6969 wrote:That's what he's trying to say. Don't pay any attention to the location of the colored link. It rarely lines up. It's ONLY there for when you FIRST put the timing chain on when it's new. There should be a mark on the crank for TDC, and a mark on the cam/cam gear for TDC. I don't know Z engine's AT ALL, so I can't tell you any more than that. I can also tell you that if it was really off by 2 teeth, it probably wouldn't run.