limits of the 350z drivetrain???

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limits of the 350z drivetrain???

Postby kentuckyslider » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:24 pm

I just sold my 430whp 93 S13 and my next ride will be a 03-04 350z that I plan to do forged internals and a Fp HTA T4Z(good T67) or a BW s372. I will be buying the car over the winter and doing the basic exhaust, suspension, and wheels while researching my 650-700whp goals. I am just wondering if the Z manual tranny is good for that kind of powa or am I going to need to look into PPG gears and a possible rebuild. I am already going to have over $10K in the bottom end, turbo setup, tune, and fueling. I'm just wondering how much more I will have in the drivetrain to make it reliable for 600whp on pump and 700+ if I decide to go E85??? Also a link to a good twin disc clutch that's less than $2K.


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Re: limits of the 350z drivetrain??? (kentuckyslider)

Postby raremotive » Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:26 pm

The gears of the 350z are equivalent, if not stronger than the getrag gears. The aluminum selector forks contact patches are equipped with brass inserts which reduces fork wear, a often exclusive feature. The weak point is the syncros, revision/series 009 is the best, 2003 to mid 2004 are the worst.

So with this, your $ is best spent else where.

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Postby evildky » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:07 pm

the Z transmission is stronger than the S13 trans, at 430 whp you were living on borrowed time on that s13 trans, unless you lacked the traction to brake it

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Postby kentuckyslider » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:24 am

Rare_f8 wrote:The gears of the 350z are equivalent, if not stronger than the getrag gears. The aluminum selector forks contact patches are equipped with brass inserts which reduces fork wear, a often exclusive feature. The weak point is the syncros, revision/series 009 is the best, 2003 to mid 2004 are the worst.

So with this, your $ is best spent else where.
Do you know what build dates have the 009 revision?? Is it all models from mid 04 and all 2005. Would I be safe just buying a 2005 model??

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Postby kentuckyslider » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:31 am

evildky wrote:the Z transmission is stronger than the S13 trans, at 430 whp you were living on borrowed time on that s13 trans, unless you lacked the traction to brake it
Yeah I tore all the teeth of 2nd in the original SR tranny last summer. Replaced it with a 96 KA tranny which has been very nice. Same gearing except 5th is a little taller which helped the car on the highway with the 4.36 diff.

I am hoping the oem Z33 tranny will hold p to 600+whp for a while. If the gears are stronger than a getrag then it should. I'm looking at a spec twin disc clutch thats rated at 700-1000ft/lb TQ from enjuku racing.

With a single turbo setup I don't reallt need a true dual exhaust. What is the lightest option out there for less than $1500??? Or should I just make my own??

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Re: limits of the 350z drivetrain??? (kentuckyslider)

Postby Retired Chief » Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:56 pm

kentuckyslider wrote: I am already going to have over $10K in the bottom end, turbo setup, tune, and fueling.
You must be getting a great deal on parts and doing the work yourself because that seems cheap to me. I know people who have spent close to $10k on the bottom end build alone. Throw another $5k to $6k in for the turbo kit..maybe $10k depending on what you go with.

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Postby raremotive » Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:22 pm

2005 or 2006 are good.

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Re: limits of the 350z drivetrain??? (kentuckyslider)

Postby PanzerAce » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:14 am

I was going to post a new topic, but I'll just use this one, since people are already talking about it....

What is the upper limit on the amount of tq you can put through a Z33 trans? I've been getting stuff setup for a LD28(T) (turbo diesel straight six) swap into my S30, but I can't find a transmission that will be able to both hold the tq and be less than about two grand.

I'm looking eventually at pushing ~500wtq, will a Z33 trans take this without problems, or is it another dead end?

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Postby aris_unlimited » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:10 am

2005 and up will definitely give you the upgraded trans. 2004.5 will as well but you have to know what you are looking for and kind of weed through the other 2004's till you find it. I was lucky, bought a 2004 without really looking through any and it was an 04.5.

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Re: limits of the 350z drivetrain??? (PanzerAce)

Postby evildky » Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:07 am

PanzerAce wrote:I was going to post a new topic, but I'll just use this one, since people are already talking about it....

What is the upper limit on the amount of tq you can put through a Z33 trans? I've been getting stuff setup for a LD28(T) (turbo diesel straight six) swap into my S30, but I can't find a transmission that will be able to both hold the tq and be less than about two grand.

I'm looking eventually at pushing ~500wtq, will a Z33 trans take this without problems, or is it another dead end?
the TT trans shoudl hold fine, wiht the extra deck height of the LD you'll need to "clearance" the hood, I've only heard on one person doing a turbo gas LD and I'm not sure if ti ever got installed but the build and fab was done

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Re: limits of the 350z drivetrain??? (evildky)

Postby PanzerAce » Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:24 am

evildky wrote:the TT trans shoudl hold fine, wiht the extra deck height of the LD you'll need to "clearance" the hood, I've only heard on one person doing a turbo gas LD and I'm not sure if ti ever got installed but the build and fab was done
I know a turbo trans will hold the power, but the issue is that I can actually get a Z33 trans for about half as much, it gives me an extra gear, and I'll still have to do fab work on it.

Also, I'm doing a straight LD28(T) build, not a gas conversion. Diesel all the way on this one

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Postby rmezz13 » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:39 pm

FWIW my 2004.5 is forsale... email me if you're interested

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Re: limits of the 350z drivetrain??? (rmezz13)

Postby BusyBadger » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:09 pm

Getting rid of the Zed? Any plans to replace it?

BTW, you need to post more often - your sig always makes me laugh!

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Postby bmike818 » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:47 pm

BusyBadger wrote:
BTW, you need to post more often - your sig always makes me laugh!


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Re: limits of the 350z drivetrain??? (BusyBadger)

Postby rmezz13 » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:27 am

yeah its forsale. Figure instead of sinking more money into it, since i change cars a lot anyway, buy something with more power to play with for awhile until i can buy a GTR. CTS-V i think is whats inline next. Maybe intake and exhaust parts, play with an LS6 for a bit.... Nothing too serious. Pump it up from 400 to about 500 and then sell it probably in a year or two, most likely. Actually trying to figure out how many miles they are built for? The cadi ZO6, that is...

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Re: limits of the 350z drivetrain??? (rmezz13)

Postby Retired Chief » Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:26 am

rmezz13 wrote:yeah its forsale. Figure instead of sinking more money into it, since i change cars a lot anyway, buy something with more power to play with for awhile until i can buy a GTR. CTS-V i think is whats inline next. Maybe intake and exhaust parts, play with an LS6 for a bit.... Nothing too serious. Pump it up from 400 to about 500 and then sell it probably in a year or two, most likely. Actually trying to figure out how many miles they are built for? The cadi ZO6, that is...

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The Cadillac CTS-V? It makes 556hp. Probably putting about 440-450 to the wheels.

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Re: limits of the 350z drivetrain??? (PanzerAce)

Postby PanzerAce » Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:43 pm

So....does anybody know the limits of the stock drive train or what?

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Re: limits of the 350z drivetrain???

Postby 93stiimpreza » Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:31 pm

bump...

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Re: limits of the 350z drivetrain???

Postby 93stiimpreza » Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:35 pm

Bring it up from a Old thread since i did not want to make a new one on the same subject.
Can this drive-train bolt on to a ls1? or make a special housing and flywheel setup?
and where year is the better manual trans to have on longevity and hp rating?

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Re: limits of the 350z drivetrain???

Postby evildky » Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:38 pm

There are kits to use the CD009 behind the LS. I've heard it's beefier than the earlier Camaro 6 speeds and cheaper which is why they make the kit to use it behind the LS.


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