I have been lucky enough to have a lot of experience driving a lot of different and often expensive vehicles since i turned 16 only 2 years ago. Many of my family members drive nice cars and I have always been able to test drive them.
Recently I was given the chance to drive my uncles brand new Lexus SC430 for awhile! It is a very nice car, but I think he paid too much for what he got. I realize he probably isn't all about performance but still..... For over $60,000 he got a small, hard top convertable with a 4.0 litre V8 that pushes around 300 hp at its peak. I have also had the chance to drive a couple of my friends G35's and 350Z's and to me they are MUCH nicer. The pick-up on the Lexus was pathetic for what you would expect from a 60,000 dollar car! It really wasn't much more 'luxurious' that the Z or the G and it definately was not smoother. Not to mention it was much slower. Actual 0-60 times range somewhere in the mid 6's.
Has anyone else here discovered this to be true? In my opinion I would much rather have the Z or the G and for half of the price of the Lexus why wouldn't everyone else!
Lexus SC430 vs. G35/350Z
I think you guys are nuts.
The SC430 will be the etype jag for this decade.
You've gotta think about what this car really represents and who it compete's with.
It's not cross shopped with g35's, it's SL500's, convertable jags, etc for about 10K less.
It's got the kiddy seats in the back which increase buying appeal and lower insurance rates. A metal roof for safety and longevity which eliminates the fears most luxury car buyers have about convertables.
But here's the real message.Lexus isn't copying anyone anymore. It used to resemble a mercedes with japanese engineering. People didn't buy them for design, or driving they bought based on value and quality.
Now lexus has passion, something which was SORELY lacking in the brand and the same trait that many of us admired in infiniti.
The GS series redesign was the first hint at what they were after, then the SC which is a HUGE stake in the ground for Lexus as a builder of PASSIONATE, Quality, high-value vehicles. Now wait to see what happends in the next LS.
I think now that they've found Passion, coupled with the other areas which they lead (quality, durablity, value, dealer experiance, resell value, cache, etc) it's gonna be very tough for infiniti to beat. And that means we will all be driving better vehicles due to the competition.
Gonna be really fun to watch!
The SC430 will be the etype jag for this decade.
You've gotta think about what this car really represents and who it compete's with.
It's not cross shopped with g35's, it's SL500's, convertable jags, etc for about 10K less.
It's got the kiddy seats in the back which increase buying appeal and lower insurance rates. A metal roof for safety and longevity which eliminates the fears most luxury car buyers have about convertables.
But here's the real message.Lexus isn't copying anyone anymore. It used to resemble a mercedes with japanese engineering. People didn't buy them for design, or driving they bought based on value and quality.
Now lexus has passion, something which was SORELY lacking in the brand and the same trait that many of us admired in infiniti.
The GS series redesign was the first hint at what they were after, then the SC which is a HUGE stake in the ground for Lexus as a builder of PASSIONATE, Quality, high-value vehicles. Now wait to see what happends in the next LS.
I think now that they've found Passion, coupled with the other areas which they lead (quality, durablity, value, dealer experiance, resell value, cache, etc) it's gonna be very tough for infiniti to beat. And that means we will all be driving better vehicles due to the competition.
Gonna be really fun to watch!
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Jberger wrote:I think you guys are nuts.
The SC430 will be the etype jag for this decade.
But here's the real message.Lexus isn't copying anyone anymore. It used to resemble a mercedes with japanese engineering. People didn't buy them for design, or driving they bought based on value and quality.
I think now that they've found Passion, coupled with the other areas which they lead (quality, durablity, value, dealer experiance, resell value, cache, etc) it's gonna be very tough for infiniti to beat. And that means we will all be driving better vehicles due to the competition.
I disagree with the E-type comparison. I've seen both, and that upside-down tub ain't no E-type.
Passion? With the exception of the SC430, how is Lexus building anything unique? They're clearly not breaking any new ground, styling-wise or in the technology ring.
And we just popped ahead of Lexus in the JDPower customer satisfaction polls - Admittedly, it's been a while, but we'll take it. Resale value remains on a par with Infiniti, as does durability and quality. (They do, however, lead Infiniti in brand recognition and the "bling" factor).
When Lexus sells something that can make the splash the G coupe and sedan have made, then I'll sit up and take notice. Until then....zzzzzzzzz.....:boring:
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A SuCk 430? I don't think so...
Pardon me while I :puke .Jberger wrote:The SC430 will be the etype jag for this decade.
The SC430 is an a$$ heavy poseur for the boulevard. It has none of the grace of the XKE, nor even the function. However, it may be well targeted for the intended American nouveau riche couch potato audience. It is a conspicuous consumption statement, not a serious automobile.
Like I said before, the best thing about the car is it induced a certain Texas owner to sell his immaculately maintained low mileage 1995 Q45 to me since he had to have the SC430.:pface Now that is a quality of the SC430 that I really do appreciate.
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With the top down, they are liveable, but with the top up, the look stupid. My vote for a 2 seat topless sports car is the good ole Vette. If you have to go overseas, stop in Germany, and pick up the CLK. Then if you still want to go further east, don't go past the 350Z ragtop.
I personally will wait a few years for the G35 to go topless. I already have a coupe slated for the 2006 buying season, I might go topless, if it is available.
I personally will wait a few years for the G35 to go topless. I already have a coupe slated for the 2006 buying season, I might go topless, if it is available.
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SC430 compared to E-type? *GASP!*
MB SLK:
Lexus SC430:
Jag E-Type:http://www.web-cars.com/e-type/30b.JPG
Lexus SC430 = E-Type? No way.Lexus SC430 = Another MB ripoff? Possible.
MB SLK:
Lexus SC430:
Jag E-Type:http://www.web-cars.com/e-type/30b.JPG
Lexus SC430 = E-Type? No way.Lexus SC430 = Another MB ripoff? Possible.
The don't drive well at all. Normally you would think someone looking for a nice car would take into consideration power, cornerning, drivability, style, and interior design when spending money on a vehicle. Personally, there is nothing particularly outstanding in any of those categories that would lead me to spending that kind of money on this car. I could get so much more for so much less!
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The SC430 can be summed up in one word: Feminine.
It is a car for ladies to be seen in. Ladies who don't know the difference between a tire and a wheel.
To me it is a cheaper substitute for the Jaguar XK convertible, which I think is much better looking. The Jag might not have the same build quality, but at least it moves you every time you see it.
It is a car for ladies to be seen in. Ladies who don't know the difference between a tire and a wheel.
To me it is a cheaper substitute for the Jaguar XK convertible, which I think is much better looking. The Jag might not have the same build quality, but at least it moves you every time you see it.
The SC430, if it is at all a substitute for the XK, is hardly close or in the same league. The XK conveys class on a body that will never look dated. The SC430 expresses awkward cuteness. The XK is incredibly beautiful, with a perfect balance between retro curves and modern clean lines. I saw one at the supermarket and couldnt stop looking. (Dont tell my Q, she'll get jealous.)
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Personally, I would never own a Lexus just because all of the snobby Highland Parkers here in Dallas think that is the practical version of a Rolls. Everyone has one.
I would also like to say that I have owned three Infiniti's and have no plans to change my brand loyalty anytime soon but come on, Infiniti's have terrible resale value. Everyone I have ever owned I have gotten raped on. Anyone had their car appraised lately?
Like I say I am an avid Infiniti loyalist but I may have to put my waders on on the whole resale value issue.
Just my opinion of course.
I would also like to say that I have owned three Infiniti's and have no plans to change my brand loyalty anytime soon but come on, Infiniti's have terrible resale value. Everyone I have ever owned I have gotten raped on. Anyone had their car appraised lately?
Like I say I am an avid Infiniti loyalist but I may have to put my waders on on the whole resale value issue.
Just my opinion of course.
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Actually, my grandfather just traded in his 2001 740il on a 2003 760 Li and he got a really good price on the '01 car.
As much as it pains me to say, Lexus resale value is much better than Infiniti and Lexus has good resale value compared to a wide variety of car lines. That still doesn't mean I would buy one but it is better.
As much as it pains me to say, Lexus resale value is much better than Infiniti and Lexus has good resale value compared to a wide variety of car lines. That still doesn't mean I would buy one but it is better.
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Don't get me wrong. I love Infiniti! I have a '95 J30t with 114K miles on it that I will not part with. The dealer keeps trying to pry me out of it and put me in an M or G coupe but I don't want another car payment for at least another year. Plus I am building a house so not a good time to buy a car.
I can't think of a reason why I would not buy another Infiniti. But let say I buy a new loaded M45 for $48-$50G's. Four or five years from now when I trade it in do you think I will get a fair amount for it? Possibly but probably not. That is why I buy Infiniti's to keep until they completely fall apart. The only problem there they last forever, hence, the reason I am still driving a ten year old car.
I can't think of a reason why I would not buy another Infiniti. But let say I buy a new loaded M45 for $48-$50G's. Four or five years from now when I trade it in do you think I will get a fair amount for it? Possibly but probably not. That is why I buy Infiniti's to keep until they completely fall apart. The only problem there they last forever, hence, the reason I am still driving a ten year old car.
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The market place works
Oh you'll get fair market value. But buying new is when you take a hit. If you plan on keeping it at least five years, then maybe it makes sense.__________________Brian1995 Q45 & Q45tJ-Owner wrote:I can't think of a reason why I would not buy another Infiniti. But let say I buy a new loaded M45 for $48-$50G's. Four or five years from now when I trade it in do you think I will get a fair amount for it? Possibly but probably not.
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I an in good shape with my I30t Sport. I bought it, new, December 1999, for $32,800.00, and I owe about $12,000.00 to the bank, on it now. There is NO door dings, finger nail scratches, chips in the windshield, or any blemishes on the car, other than a few rock chips on the front, from highway mileage. The leather and carpet are perfect, even the floormats. Never been smoked it, or eaten in. Always garaged. The car has 38,000 miles on it, and it is worth:2000 Infiniti I30 Sedan 4D Engine: V6 3.0 LiterTrans: AutomaticDrive: Front Wheel DriveMileage: 38,000 Equipment TouringAir ConditioningPower SteeringPower WindowsPower Door LocksTilt WheelCruise Control AM/FM StereoCassetteMulti Compact DiscPremium SoundDual Front Air BagsFront Side Air BagsABS (4-Wheel) Traction ControlLeatherDual Power SeatsMoon RoofRear SpoilerPremium Wheels
Consumer Rated Condition: Excellent "Excellent" condition means that the vehicle looks great, is in excellent mechanical condition and needs no reconditioning. It should pass a smog inspection. The engine compartment should be clean, with no fluid leaks. The paint is glossy and the body and interior are free of any wear or visible defects. There is no rust. The tires are the proper size and match and are new or nearly new. A clean title history is assumed. This is an exceptional vehicle.
Private Party Value $18,585 Private Party value represents what you might expect to pay for a used car when purchasing from a private party. It may also represent the value you might expect to receive when selling your own used car to another private party.
I use private party, because I would never trade this car in. Probably won't ever sell it, either
Consumer Rated Condition: Excellent "Excellent" condition means that the vehicle looks great, is in excellent mechanical condition and needs no reconditioning. It should pass a smog inspection. The engine compartment should be clean, with no fluid leaks. The paint is glossy and the body and interior are free of any wear or visible defects. There is no rust. The tires are the proper size and match and are new or nearly new. A clean title history is assumed. This is an exceptional vehicle.
Private Party Value $18,585 Private Party value represents what you might expect to pay for a used car when purchasing from a private party. It may also represent the value you might expect to receive when selling your own used car to another private party.
I use private party, because I would never trade this car in. Probably won't ever sell it, either
What a coincidence - I just drove a brand new SC430 this morning . Belongs to a colegue's wife .This car is a POS . With the top down , it flexes like my old Triumph Spitfire . The ride is absolutely atrocious , with those low profiles and mushy suspension . The car jumps all over the place . The steering reminds me of a Lincoln Towncar . The handling is not sporty eighther . The dash board is not very attractive . The ones in the GS , LS are much better .What a letdown!!!