Lets all face it, and do something about it.

[S13Sil-line]

Ok, the 8 step wiring program needs to be replaced. There are to many loose ends and to much confusion to use that as a reliable resourse. The pictures are hard to understand and the wires need to be labled on what they do, not just the color. I'm sorry for being such a whiner but there needs to be something for people like me who can't really understand it. I'm in the process of wiring my RB25DET into an S13 and try to find help on this. I'm a little dissapointed in one company and I am in noway trying to bad mouth them, But I called Mckinney Motorsports twice and e-mailed them. For a company this repuitable I would think could help me for a second but instead the responses I get are "read the 8 step on NICO. The 8 step is like trying to learn a foriegn language, at least for me. Cameron at Night7Racing.com and Jon Powell are very patient and did try to help me and I want to thank them. Jon Powell is also going to help me even further when I get some photo's of what I am trying to figure out. So what I am asking, and I'm sure I can speak for others, is for someone who has done the wiring and knows is like 2nd nature please do an indepth write up with pictures and explanations on what needs to be done. Thank you for listening to me cry like a kid but come on, the time has come for someone to step up.

[Real Boring 240]

Dude, I know first hand that mckinney motorsports is a VERY busy company. No offense but they can't stay on the phone and hold your hand through the install. They have cars they have to work on, parts they have to engineer, and juggle joint ventures with outher companies.

The 8 steps to wiring is there for reference. You can't expect for everyone to go WAY out of their way to document every single thing they do and go to the trouble of doing a write up. Be happy of what people have been generous enough to give in the first place. I'd be offended if i went through all that work of doing the write up just to be criticized that you didnt do it right? Then what would be my reaction? It would be screw that, i spent my time to help YA'LL out, last time i do that. . ..so in the end we're left with no one even attempting to help each other out. You have to be willing to do some homework and figure things out on your own dude! Find the wiring diagrams and work it out! i know they're available online (i'll have a writeup for you on that soon ).

I'm not trying to sound like a jerk and i apologize if i do as that was not my intent, i just had to step up.

Rafael Gonzalez

[Yellow4g63]

If wiring up a RBswap was easy everyone would do it. Like the other guy said be happy that there is some info vs No info at all. No info would mean that you would never get your car running.

[Joe]

the 8 step guide may not be the best thing in the world but its the only thing out there. we (myself and opensource) used it again on friday night to get a RB25 in a s13 coupe running.

to be blunt: nobody is very willing to share the information because its making them good money. its NOT HARD to wire it one bit, the 8 step guide in my own experience has worked on 2 diffrent cars, with 2 diffrent generations of RB engines, with 2 diffrent year s13's. if you dont like it, grab a multimeter and all the diagrams and have at it, all the information is out there you just have to put 2 and 2 together. you think its bad for a s13? try a s14. nobody will talk for **** about that wiring. myself and a friend had to figure it out ourselves with little outside help because nobody would.

i know im comming off like an *** and very defensive but jesus, all people do is complain about that wiring guide and how it needs to be changed. if you dont like it, write a better one. i kicked myself in the *** once i realized how absolutley fcuking simple it is to wire a RB into ANY 240. and you are lucky he even shared that info. he did that 10 minuets after it started on a laptop in the garage.

[S13Sil-line]

I said I was not trying to bad mouth or criticize anybody. All I said is that it kinda disappointed me that I couldn't get one question asked. I don't excpect them to "hold my hand" and I do understand they are very busy. Anytime anyone is doing a swap there are always questions asked. I'm not the only one. I openly opologize to Mckinney Motorsports if any of my comments were offensive. That was not my intension of this post. It is to hopefully persuade someone who knows what they are doing to help the RB community and not just me and do an indepth write up. Believe me if opensource did not post this I would be so lost on this I would probably sell my motor. I am not criticizing thier post but it is a fast way through things that is not explained indepth, at least for my knowledge in the RB wiring part of things which is my fault.

[Joe]

hey, AIM me if you want. ill help you the best i can with the wiring too, hawk0028. i just had a refresher course friday night. took us a few hours to get it started with breaks for alcohol and a big dinner hehe.

[S13Sil-line]

You see in the 2nd picture of the 8 step wiring. There is a white plug that you supposed to cut 2 feet of wire...Ya I only have half of that plug. So I cant really use that step, is my problem.

[Joe]

for step 2, what that should read is this

the dash harness off the skyline, you need to cut the big white plug OFF with about 2 feet of extra wire. dont necessarially need that much but you need enough slack to wire 1 thing near the ecu (brown plug) and then enough slack for soldering the cluster wiring. what you are gonna do is plug the now cut portion of the skyline dash harness into the EFI harness off the skyline and just have about 40 cut wires dangling. dont worry most go to the cluster.

here is a ****ty paint diagram.http://www.azparttrader.com/rb...h.gif

what do you mean by only have half?

[S13Sil-line]

I mean you know how on that plug there is the handle type side that swings over and locks it together. I dont have that one which is part of the dash harness

[Joe]

did you get a clip or a motorset?

if you have a clip, it HAS to be there!

[S13Sil-line]

Ya. I had a clip but where i was doing the swap, I needed to get rid of it. I honestly didn't know I needed that.

[S13Sil-line]

And the white clip under the dash. I was told to seperate that from the ka harness. Am I supposed to cut wires to that?

[JonPowell]

The white plug from the RB, just pull the wires you need from the other side(ECU side) and use other wire to splice/extend as needed. The colors are still the same on either side of the plug.

[S13Sil-line]

So what should I do if the white plug is completely seperated from the ECU harness?

[JonPowell]

Scream in terror.

[JonPowell]

The wires will still be there, you just gotta isolate them and splice them in.

[S13Sil-line]

Look. This is why I feel a new write up is due. A very repuitable company told me to do this.

[JonPowell]

In some places you need to do that, but wrap all the loose wires so they dont short against anything.

[S13Sil-line]

you need enough slack to wire 1 thing near the ecu (brown plug) and then enough slack for soldering the cluster wiring. what you are gonna do is plug the now cut portion of the skyline dash harness into the EFI harness off the skyline and just have about 40 cut wires dangling. dont worry most go to the cluster.

What do you mean about wiring the cluster? Is that if I have an R33 cluster. I'm keeping the 240 cluster in.

I just connected the grey and red wire to the orange wire. Am I done in this area and should I tape everything off so I don't get a short?

[Joe]

Look. This is why I feel a new write up is due. A very repuitable company told me to do this.

lol dude i dont know what you are expecting, you arent a shop and didnt do a professional job. all of the wiring i have done have never looked anything like that.

[Joe]

What do you mean about wiring the cluster? Is that if I have an R33 cluster. I'm keeping the 240 cluster in.

I just connected the grey and red wire to the orange wire. Am I done in this area and should I tape everything off so I don't get a short?

leave it exposed till its working, then go back and clean everything up.