Let's Talk About State VS Federal Legal

[mjwaterma]

I'm trying to get my facts straight between having a Federally legal Skyline and a State legal Skyline

OK, so if you have a Federally legal Skyline you are golden. But these only apply to Skylines imported and legalized by Motorex before they were shut down, and to R33s that had the nessicary modifications done to it after Motorex was closed.

Now State legal one are where I am confued on. Assuming that the car was brought in to the country legally, and you are able to get the car titled in your state, then what are the dangers? Are you only able to title the car as a show/race car in most states? I live in IL, and I really haven't looked into the gray market car laws here, but I'm just trying to get an overall idea about this.

[edthemanjp]

Assuming that the car was brought in to the country legally, and you are able to get the car titled in your state, then what are the dangers?

Assuming that the car was brought in to the country illegally, and you are able to get the car titled in your state, then what are the dangers?

That would be more correct because if you bring it in legally it has to be registered with DOT/NHTSA................. and go through the legalization process. When it is brought in with the intention to circumvent the DOT/NHTSA it is illegal.

[akwikz]

There is no real "state legal" car. That is like calling cocaine an "all natural supplement". It's a B.S. term coined by guys who were able to lie and sneak their way into registering a car. Just because some states will hand you a title does not in any way override the Fed Government regulations. If you buy any R32, R33, R34 etc that does not come with a DOT exemption letter then you are playing Russian Roulette. You might get lucky a few times, but the odds are you will get burned at some point. There is no shortage of people that will tell you how their cars are legal. It's all B.S.

Here is how any conversation you have with someone selling an R32,R33,R34 etc should go:

You: Hello, I'm calling about the R3X you have advertised.

Schmuck: Yeah, it's mint and 100% legal.

You: So, what is the number on the DOT exemption letter for the car?

Schmuck: You don't need one of those. And I have the Florida registration right here to prove it.

You: Thanks anyways, but no.

Schmuck (yelling): But I said it's legal.........you know........at the state level.

You: Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Have a nice day.

This is all you need. If you are not provided with a DOT number the only use that car can have is as a race car.

Brian

[dj_hype]

Just because some states will hand you a title does not in any way override the Fed Government regulations.

So, if the state hands you a title, wouldn't that in itself make it legal at the state level? It's not like these guys are advertising in a false nature if they tell you the car is state legal, it just means that you run the risk of getting busted by the federal government (who can't tell their ******* from their elbow).

My car is state legal. I know the risks I run. But again, I don't drive my car like a douchebag to warrant being pulled over. The guy that did my legalization has done 30+ car's and not one of them has ever had issues with the federal government. He's been pulled over countless times in his car and never once had an issue. The car is legal on a state level, and that's all the local/highway cops were worried about. End of story.

Again, your results will vary. He won't do cars going to certain states. But I don't live in any of them so I'm not too worried about it. The price difference between a "state legal" and "federally legal" car was enough for me to say "Hey, I can afford one!"

[USsil80]

So, if the state hands you a title, wouldn't that in itself make it legal at the state level? It's not like these guys are advertising in a false nature if they tell you the car is state legal, it just means that you run the risk of getting busted by the federal government (who can't tell their ******* from their elbow).

My car is state legal. I know the risks I run. But again, I don't drive my car like a douchebag to warrant being pulled over. The guy that did my legalization has done 30+ car's and not one of them has ever had issues with the federal government. He's been pulled over countless times in his car and never once had an issue. The car is legal on a state level, and that's all the local/highway cops were worried about. End of story.

Again, your results will vary. He won't do cars going to certain states. But I don't live in any of them so I'm not too worried about it. The price difference between a "state legal" and "federally legal" car was enough for me to say "Hey, I can afford one!"

what is the name of the guy that does you convertions.... do you know what state he willnot do a car for

[BNR32]

what is the name of the guy that does you convertions.... do you know what state he willnot do a car for

do you have a car that needs to get done?the only state that u will have issues will be cali,if you dont live there then WGAF!!

[akwikz]

"So, if the state hands you a title, wouldn't that in itself make it legal at the state level? It's not like these guys are advertising in a false nature if they tell you the car is state legal, it just means that you run the risk of getting busted by the federal government (who can't tell their ******* from their elbow)."

Wrong. No matter how you try to talk around it, the cars are not legal. They just happen to be registered. Here is why. When you go to register a car it is assumed by the state that this car has been authorized by the Fed Gov. There is an expectation of a paper trail of some type. When you have your "state legal" car you have in fact bypassed this process. That is illegal. The paperwork you signed at the DMV is also fraudulent. Somewhere on that state registration paperwork there is always a section that says something like "this car meets all federal regulations". When you sign it you are then lying to the state. This is also illegal.

"My car is state legal. I know the risks I run. But again, I don't drive my car like a douchebag to warrant being pulled over. The guy that did my legalization has done 30+ car's and not one of them has ever had issues with the federal government. He's been pulled over countless times in his car and never once had an issue. The car is legal on a state level, and that's all the local/highway cops were worried about. End of story."

Not even close. Again, all you are saying is that you have not been arrested or had your car impounded. This still does not show legality. It just shows luck. Hence my "russian roulette" comment. No matter how you try to justify it the simple fact is that no state laws can trump federal laws. If the Fed Gov. says the car is illegal, then it does not matter what the state says. The car is not legal. It never was legal. It can never be legal. And that is the end of the story.

You seem to be taking this personally. Don't. I really don't care too much what others want to do for the most part. But I do feel it important to properly answer the question asked. And when you boil it all down to the basics there is no legal status other than the one given by the DOT and the U.S. Fed Gov.

Brian

[kiowa125]

I never really introduced myself in my first post, but here goes... I'm deployed to Iraq right now and my goal when I get back is to get an R32 GT-R. All this talk about "you might/probably will get eff'd" talk is leading me to believe I shouldn't do this. But I want an R32 oh so badly. It's been my goal since before we left for the desert. Especially considering the registration process and having the car on a military installation for most of the time, I'm worried, because how much would it suck to use almost all of my earnings over here on that car, only to have it towed/crushed not to mention the trouble I'd get in by the Army for having an illegal car in the first place. Any suggestions?

[USsil80]

I never really introduced myself in my first post, but here goes... I'm deployed to Iraq right now and my goal when I get back is to get an R32 GT-R. All this talk about "you might/probably will get eff'd" talk is leading me to believe I shouldn't do this. But I want an R32 oh so badly. It's been my goal since before we left for the desert. Especially considering the registration process and having the car on a military installation for most of the time, I'm worried, because how much would it suck to use almost all of my earnings over here on that car, only to have it towed/crushed not to mention the trouble I'd get in by the Army for having an illegal car in the first place. Any suggestions?

i know what you mean... i just got back from kirkuk, iraq,.. who you there with and where... my wife said i can get a r32 or 33 when i get out, thus no more deployments, so i know what you mean... ohh and keep you a$$ down and your head lower

[kiowa125]

I'm with Bandit Troop, 1-6 Cav. We're one of three Kiowa Warrior troops out of Fort Carson. We're down in Tikrit right now, our other two troops are up at FOB Warrior in Kirkuk. Thanks for your service, man, I'll stay as safe as I can...

[USsil80]

I'm with Bandit Troop, 1-6 Cav. We're one of three Kiowa Warrior troops out of Fort Carson. We're down in Tikrit right now, our other two troops are up at FOB Warrior in Kirkuk. Thanks for your service, man, I'll stay as safe as I can...

yea i was at FOB Warrior that unit sounded really famliar... you get mad props you guys got to do 15-18 months i only had to do 4.5... AF here... stay safe and if you need anything,anything email me i will send it to you..

[USsil80]

sorry for thread jack>>>

[kiowa125]

it's all good

[kiowa125]

they're talking about going back to 12 month tours for us, but right now, we're still on schedule for the full 15. ick. on the other hand, it could mean an R32 GT-R for me

[dj_hype]

"So, if the state hands you a title, wouldn't that in itself make it legal at the state level? It's not like these guys are advertising in a false nature if they tell you the car is state legal, it just means that you run the risk of getting busted by the federal government (who can't tell their ******* from their elbow)."

Wrong. No matter how you try to talk around it, the cars are not legal. They just happen to be registered. Here is why. When you go to register a car it is assumed by the state that this car has been authorized by the Fed Gov. There is an expectation of a paper trail of some type. When you have your "state legal" car you have in fact bypassed this process. That is illegal. The paperwork you signed at the DMV is also fraudulent. Somewhere on that state registration paperwork there is always a section that says something like "this car meets all federal regulations". When you sign it you are then lying to the state. This is also illegal.

"My car is state legal. I know the risks I run. But again, I don't drive my car like a douchebag to warrant being pulled over. The guy that did my legalization has done 30+ car's and not one of them has ever had issues with the federal government. He's been pulled over countless times in his car and never once had an issue. The car is legal on a state level, and that's all the local/highway cops were worried about. End of story."

Not even close. Again, all you are saying is that you have not been arrested or had your car impounded. This still does not show legality. It just shows luck. Hence my "russian roulette" comment. No matter how you try to justify it the simple fact is that no state laws can trump federal laws. If the Fed Gov. says the car is illegal, then it does not matter what the state says. The car is not legal. It never was legal. It can never be legal. And that is the end of the story.

You seem to be taking this personally. Don't. I really don't care too much what others want to do for the most part. But I do feel it important to properly answer the question asked. And when you boil it all down to the basics there is no legal status other than the one given by the DOT and the U.S. Fed Gov.

Brian

No, I'm not taking it personally. I know it's a gamble for me to drive my car everyday but it's one that I feel somewhat okay and secure in. I know federal laws trump state laws. But the way I see it is like the way weed is handled here in Denver, small amounts are okay by the local cops but the DEA can still bust you because the federal law trumps the state law. But that doesn't stop people from carrying around with "Denver" legal amounts of weed.

My point is that from my experience, I haven't seen car's being impounded when they were "state legal" unless it was related to something else (stolen car, warrants, drug related, excessive speeding, etc...). No, "state legal" isn't 100% legal and you are taking a chance but from what I've seen, the chances are minimal at best. But again, your results will vary.

As for the question about what states my guy won't do, the two I remember offhand are California and Virginia. There may be more but I'm not 100% on that.

[BNR32]

No, I'm not taking it personally. I know it's a gamble for me to drive my car everyday but it's one that I feel somewhat okay and secure in. I know federal laws trump state laws. But the way I see it is like the way weed is handled here in Denver, small amounts are okay by the local cops but the DEA can still bust you because the federal law trumps the state law. But that doesn't stop people from carrying around with "Denver" legal amounts of weed.

My point is that from my experience, I haven't seen car's being impounded when they were "state legal" unless it was related to something else (stolen car, warrants, drug related, excessive speeding, etc...). No, "state legal" isn't 100% legal and you are taking a chance but from what I've seen, the chances are minimal at best. But again, your results will vary.

As for the question about what states my guy won't do, the two I remember offhand are California and Virginia. There may be more but I'm not 100% on that.

DJ u have email

[dj_hype]

DJ u have email

lol replied.

[Gold Digger]

Kiowa125 and USsil80.

If you guys are in the military, when you come up for orders, request Japan. You get paid to live over here for a significant amount of time, and...get this. You can own a legal Skyline, and not pay out the *** for it.

It's the best of both worlds any way you look at it.

[kiowa125]

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Kiowa125 and USsil80.

If you guys are in the military, when you come up for orders, request Japan. You get paid to live over here for a significant amount of time, and...get this. You can own a legal Skyline, and not pay out the *** for it.

It's the best of both worlds any way you look at it.

I would request japan, but my job doesn't exist there anymore...