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The big white 'Creepy Van' is dead.

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My parents (and I) let it sit outside and rot for years. Now every seal and gasket is toast. It starts and moves but it sounds like a metal drum full of baseball bats. They offered it to me for free but it will need at least $1500 of work, so it has been donated. The wheelchair lift in the back was awesome too. RIP.



In the meantime, I've been abusing the Seville and my cousin's Geo Prizm, using them for warehouse runs. The Geo's rear suspension is shot, and the Seville's rear air suspension is about gone too.

I've been sniffing around for a truck, wagon, or van I can drive locally and beat on for under two grand. The used car market is terrible right now. Thanks to Cash for Clunkers and its artificial restriction of supply, vehicles that should be damn near free are now asking two grand or more.

No need for 4WD. The Saab and the Cadillac are perfectly sufficient for the fast-melting snow we get here.

--How are mid 90s Pathfinders? I know they're badly prone to rust, but are they electrically and mechanically sound?
--Astros and Safaris? The Vortec 4.3 is well reputed. My dad had one as a work vehicle back in the 90s. It was a beast in the snow. Dont know much else about them.
--Among Ford Rangers, the I-4 manual is the way to go, right?
--Ford Explorers seem to be less reliable the newer they get.
--Dodges eat their transmissions, but I assume anything with a recently rebuilt unit could be trustworthy.
--I like GMT400 (88-97) Silverados/Sierras/CKs. Seems like their only ailment is cab corner rust.
--Jimmys and Blazers seem kind of junky.
--Top Gear USA drove resale values on Buick Roadmaster wagons through the roof. Otherwise an Olds/Chevy/Buick full size wagon would be perfect, with a robust enough rear suspension to handle 800-1000lbs of weight.
--And then there's Jeep Cherokees.

I missed out on an 02 Chevy 2500 HD Crew Cab for $1750 (226k). It sold within an hour of being listed. :(

Did I leave out anything else in my search?


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Camry/Accord wagon?
Stay away from the Astro van- there isn't anything redeeming about them; even if they're used for hauling crap. Look into an old Ford Windstar. My mothers went through my adolescent self beating on it, and both of my younger brothers beating on it. 20x,xxx miles and it finally needs some head gaskets.

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How often do you do warehouse runs?

Getting a truck from Menard's rental will set you back like $20 for 75 minutes and doesn't require licensing, tax, fuel, parking or maintenance.

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I loved and miss my 92 S-10. Had a 4.3L matched with the 5 speed mt.

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I passed this off to my sister last year (with about 160k on it) for when she gets her license. Being the third owner and putting 80k on it in 5 years, the only things I had to replace aside from normal wear items were a seized alternator, a seized idler pulley, Power steering pump and the (original) exhaust. The guy prior to me replaced all the brake lines with stainless due to the original rusting out (caused by Maryland winter salt) It has some surface rust on the cab and box corners, other than that, it was a solid little beast that took a beating and kept coming back for more.

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Pinto-powered 5 speed Ranger. Beat on it, beat on it, and beat on it some more and it'll just keep going. Makes what feels like gobs of torque (really only 130 ft-lb) from negative 50 rpm. Sounds decent for a four. Will outlive Supermutants and radroaches without effort.

Only problem is three of the rearmost 8 spark plugs. They're behind the intake manifold and you get to take it off every time you replace your plugs. Still, 8 motorcraft plugs for your ranger are cheaper than 4 NGK plugs for your Frontier.

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I've always had excellent luck with Rangers. The 2.3 is definitely bomb-proof, but if you run across one with a 3.0 or 4.0, they're worth looking at too. The 4.0 is the best choice IMHO, because of the extra power. They started offering the 3.0 and 4.0 in 1992, anything older than that, get the 2.3. The 2.9 had problems with cylinder heads and blowing head gaskets. Also try to find one with a manual transmission, the automatics didn't have an excellent track record for longevity.

The Astro/Safari are excellent as well, but to me anything with the 4.3 is a good choice. I've known many people that have owned them and they have been great for them.

Jeep Cherokees are bombproof too, especially if you can find one with th I-6 and a manual trans. Run away from Grand Cherokees though, I have rarely seen one that wasn't a pile of problems.

Also, on the Jeep subject, look for a Jeep Commanche as well. Same thing as the Cherokee, but in truck form.

The Mazda B-series is also a re-badged Ranger, so sometimes you can run across them cheaper, as most people forget about them.

That's all I've got, I really don't have many older full size trucks I like. The Silverado is nice, but I don't care for the rust issues.

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Old Pathy's are fine if you can find one that's not too rusty. Old 4 runners too. They're well built. If you're looking for acres o' loading room. You might consider another Ford Econoline van, one without the handicap stuff. My next door neighbor purchased a clean used 6 cyl Econoline very cheaply and uses it as his DD. It;s been very reliable for him and gets surprisingly good gas mileage. I can vouch it has an uber strong a/c. It's certainly not fast or sporty but it's fairly comfortable. He regularly takes his family of 4 to the mountains in that van for vacations, and everything fits with room to spare, even two canoes (on the roof). His van has a bunch of windows but there are a ton available in many configurations. Food for thought.

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Can't go wrong with one of those GMT400's. My Suburban has 230,000 miles and is still going strong. Original 350 and transmission. You can have mine for $2000!

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Encryptshun wrote:How often do you do warehouse runs?

Getting a truck from Menard's rental will set you back like $20 for 75 minutes and doesn't require licensing, tax, fuel, parking or maintenance.
Rental would be $50/day after all taxes and fees, plus the added nuisance of having to go get it and do all the paperwork.

Annual cost would end up being $1800 per year to rent. It's a tossup.

With ownership, its easier to send someone else to the warehouse.

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You should keep the van and tow to tailgate parties. how perfect :mike

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alms24sebring wrote:You should keep the van and tow to tailgate parties. how perfect :mike
Jesda wrote:The big white 'Creepy Van' is dead.
Jesda, we had a first gen Pathfinder with the VG30 and it had nearly 200k miles on it before it died in a car accident, it was quite a reliable car.

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A33 wrote:Also try to find one with a manual transmission, the automatics didn't have an excellent track record for longevity.
Huh...now I had always understood it to be the reverse of that: while it's fine behind the four cylinder, the 5-speed manual can't take the extra thrashing the V6s give it. The auto, on the other hand, is quite reliable no matter the engine it's bolted to.

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Go with a ranger. As a ford tech i can tell you the only thing you will be doing with those is maybe replacing an oil pan gasket if its a 3.0. R and R a clutch if it has a manual. If it is an old 2.3 it will just leak a little oil and changing the 8 plugs is not that bad and can be done without removing the intake. The 4.0 will eventually need intake gaskets. As long as it has been taken care of an automatic will do just fine. Other common problems with all fords are ignition coils and dpfe sensors. They are easy and cheap to work on too.

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My father purchased a used 1987 Pathfinder in 88. It went on many trips to Canada and Mass hauling family, it was a rugged DD. He finally donated it in 2004 with the replacement being an 03 Xterra. His Pathy would have made it even further if the auto transmission didn't decide to blowout the front pump seal.

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Dakotas are nice, but they're not cheap enough to be an option. We've had 2 second gen dakotas, and they've taken more abuse than we could throw at them. The first one jacknifed while towing my car and slammed into a guard rail (my car was undamaged). That thing still towed the car home after that. My dad found another 2nd gen that didn't look like a shark humped the bed and thats what he drives now. Like you said, the trans is a gamble, but its not like its a daily driver for you. First gen dakotas could be cheap.

What you should get is an older Toyota Tacoma. Something like this Image

They seem like good trucks, my buddies dad owned one for a while.

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MinisterofDOOM wrote:
A33 wrote:Also try to find one with a manual transmission, the automatics didn't have an excellent track record for longevity.
Huh...now I had always understood it to be the reverse of that: while it's fine behind the four cylinder, the 5-speed manual can't take the extra thrashing the V6s give it. The auto, on the other hand, is quite reliable no matter the engine it's bolted to.
The 5-speed is always the prime choice among Ranger owners. Especially prior to 96 or 97(don't remember the exact year right now), when they still had the A4LD automatic, which was a horrible transmission. The newer automatics were hit or miss, if you took care of them, they would hold up okay though. Usually past 100k though, you needed to be ready for a new one, unless you were VERY meticulous with it.

The 5-speed was bombproof behind anything unless you really really abused it. I ripped on mine hard and when it did finally blow up, it was due to a 1st to 2nd burnout on 32x11.50 BFG A/Ts. I sheared 1st completely off... Stupid, but I was young and dumb.

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This $1200 conversion van looks interesting:

http://righteousrides.org/auto/detail.php?index=318

The only thing I hate is how the roof is extra tall, which also introduces leaks.

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Eh, Ive always known older dakotas to be nothing but rust buckets.

^Now that looks like a good buy! Or maybe a similar Mark III van to carry a van.

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Jesda wrote:This $1200 conversion van looks interesting:

http://righteousrides.org/auto/detail.php?index=318

The only thing I hate is how the roof is extra tall, which also introduces leaks.

Heck, put a queen sized mattress and booming stereo in there and you're ready for the midwestern branch of Nala's "Rape-For-Rides" taxi service. ;)

At that age, if it's a leaker, I'm sure you'd be able to see it. And at $1200, it could be fixable with a tube of caulk.

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It comes in tubes now ladys!!!! :mike

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Jesda,

Buy this. Fix roof. Mobile warehouse.

http://righteousrides.org/auto/detail.php?index=356

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or meth lab.

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For Sale: 1983 Winnebago Ultimate Cruiser.

Sold as-is. 15,000 miles, updated appliances, plenty of discrete storage space. Smells slightly like mothballs.
$1,234,000 takes it and everything inside it.
Must see! Call (202) 307-1000. Ask for Gil.
Serious inquiries only.

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Well, its pretty silly for one guy to own three cars, so I've decided to sell the Cadillac and get myself a nice SUV.

I'm going to assume that all QX4s are pretty decent (except nala's semen-stained one) and keep my eyes peeled for one.

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Encryptshun wrote:Jesda,

Buy this. Fix roof. Mobile warehouse.

http://righteousrides.org/auto/detail.php?index=356
Jesda wrote:[img]<a class="vglnk" title="Link added by VigLink" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.amctv.com/wp-content/uploads ... in-590.jpg[/img">http://www.amctv.com/wp-content/uploads ... in-590.jpg[/img</a>]
Holy crap, its the same exact model.

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I was thinking late 90s Rangers. You can beat the piss out of those things and they'll still start up all nice and happy for ya in the morning. Either that or an S10. Of course there is always the Tacoma. Those are pretty solid. I've pulled the motor apart on one that had God knows how many miles on it and my word was that thing clean. It was a beat to hell little 97 SR5 Tacoma. That engine ran like a boss though. I can tell ya that much

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There's also a surplus of cheap as dirt Cherokees down here in pretty mint condition. I don't know why, but I see them up on CL all the time and I see them on the street too.

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http://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/cto/2590868551.html

If you're willing to take the trip, it smells like a good deal.

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Confused thread is confused. It was supposed to be about pickups, and somehow SUVs and vans got in?


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