Let me know how reliable your Titan has been!!

[RicerX]

The Tundra is a fully boxed frame. It is Toyota's first major (read: serious) attempt at the bulk of the American truck market which is the 1/2 ton full size pickup. I can all but guarantee you that the F-250 and F-350 would probably not exist if not for the success of the F-150. Same with the Silverado 1500.

You knock on "import" trucks when the Chevy Duramax was designed and engineered by Isuzu.

There are a crapton of Tundras in the parking lot where I work that are driven by guys that used to drive Fords, Chevys, and Dodges. The new Ram is abysmal in crash tests, Chevy is having quality control issues, and Ford is busy experimenting with turbo V6s. If these guys aren't careful, Toyota could be soon snacking on a hamburger made of 100% certified Big-Three-Cash-Cow. If Nissan does the next gen Titan correctly (which remains to be seen), they could also get themselves a chunk. If they find success here, they're coming for your beloved 3/4-ton trucks next. The rumormill is already churning regarding a heavy-duty Tundra anyway.

[Oatmealman]

Yes it might pull the same as my cummins but would it go a million miles with just maintenance(excluding some mild upgrades to help longevity).My truck pulls well because it has a sturdy fully boxed frame,long wheelbase,powered by a American medium duty diesel.

The duramax is also another long lasting motor. its in its own on the highway with a load behind it,they pull freaking amazing at 75 and have the ability to hammer down and pass people.I recently pulled a 48 foot carver(yacht),over width,and over weight(roughly 33k) from Wisconsin to Colorado and did it at 75 and hit 60mph headwinds in south dakota.

Moral of the story is no import could compete with 3/4-1 ton American truck market and they know that,that's why they haven't even attempted it.But i could see it now toyota diesel 3/4ton with 20" moto metal wheels and stacks.Broyota for life dude.

You may be right about the Japs not competing against the Americans when it comes to 3/4 and 1 ton trucks but I think it has more to do with the fact that the majority of truck sales come from 1/2 ton trucks. IMO another thing is loyalty, American truck owners are known for their loyalty towards one brand or another and no matter what brand they own(if you've talked to a truck guy), it's gotta be American. Even today, Tundra sales and Titan sales are nothing compared to the big 3's truck sales. I'm guessing Toyota and Nissan knew this and decided it wasn't worth the financial effort to bring out 3/4 and 1 ton trucks of their own.

The Duramax diesel was a joint venture between GM and Isuzu(Isuzu is very well known for their diesel engines) and the old 7.3L Ford diesel was basically an International engine(yes I know International is American)

If the Japs wanted to they could build awesome 3/4 and 1 ton trucks for the public, but I feel it's not worth the investment since Americans want American trucks.

I couldn't agree more.I like many Americans would refuse to give up my American truck because they do it so well.I am aware of the joint venture between izusu and gm to make the duramax.Thats all I was trying to say was toyota/nissan couldn't compete and they know it so they don't try.

Either way to each his own,if you like import trucks more power to you

[BTL_nissan]

15 passenger van..... What are you hauling lmao

[gwoods]

15 passenger van..... What are you hauling lmao

Refugee families we take care of and youth groups ect. I borrow a 15 passenger van frequently from a buddy but it is A) beat up, B) has 203,000 miles on is (2003 Chevy 3500 series) C) Rack&Pinion are toast and D) leaks, ps fluid, antifreeze and oil

Price was right on the 2012 though 19k asking I'm sure it had already paid for itself, 50k miles and "seats like new" I'm sure no one ever sat on them before.

[JTR32gtst]

I couldn't care less about interiors(they're a damn truck not a car).I'll look into import trucks when they can build a truck that doesn't have a unibody,or a gas guzzlin 5.6 that makes meh power,or they can build it to haul more than 10k.My cummins could haul all those trucks around and still get 20 on the highway while running 70.

Ever wonder why you don't see import trucks hauling 50ft goosenecks with 6 cars on em?

I will call you out by saying you are comparing a 1 ton diesel to a half ton gas. That is like saying the Corvette is a s*** family car compared to a Cadillac.

The fact a half ton truck can yank 10K proves the imports are doing it better since you have to jump to at least a 3/4 ton truck to do this in American trucks.

My 5.6 has better towing than a Chevy half ton with a 6.0.

As far as interiors go, if I am paying 30-60K for a truck, it better be an all around vehicle. You implying you do not mind paying 45K for a truck for a motor, trans and rear end.

As far as 50 foot goosenecks, my Titan has pulled a bobcat on an 18 foot tandem axle pipe trailer, a 25' fifth wheel as well as pulling a Dodge out of the ditch because his heavy a** diesel got off the pavement.

[ScrapMetal]

The Tundra is a fully boxed frame.

The Tundra along with the Taco both are fully boxed in the front, but the mid section and rear of the frame are C-channel(The Hilux is fully boxed)

I'm not going to bad talk C-channel frames, they do have a purpose and serve that purpose well. A C-channel frame is stronger when it comes to straight vertical loads, it's why most older trucks which were marketed for having boxed frames still had an open C-channel rear for increased payload capacity. All Petes, Kenworths, Macks etc. use C-channel frames. They also weigh less and give you a better ride when the truck is loaded down. Now when it comes to bending and twisting, they just plain suck.

I couldn't care less about interiors(they're a damn truck not a car).I'll look into import trucks when they can build a truck that doesn't have a unibody,or a gas guzzlin 5.6 that makes meh power,or they can build it to haul more than 10k.My cummins could haul all those trucks around and still get 20 on the highway while running 70.

Ever wonder why you don't see import trucks hauling 50ft goosenecks with 6 cars on em?

I will call you out by saying you are comparing a 1 ton diesel to a half ton gas. That is like saying the Corvette is a s*** family car compared to a Cadillac.

[Oatmealman]

I couldn't care less about interiors(they're a damn truck not a car).I'll look into import trucks when they can build a truck that doesn't have a unibody,or a gas guzzlin 5.6 that makes meh power,or they can build it to haul more than 10k.My cummins could haul all those trucks around and still get 20 on the highway while running 70.

Ever wonder why you don't see import trucks hauling 50ft goosenecks with 6 cars on em?

I will call you out by saying you are comparing a 1 ton diesel to a half ton gas. That is like saying the Corvette is a s*** family car compared to a Cadillac.

The fact a half ton truck can yank 10K proves the imports are doing it better since you have to jump to at least a 3/4 ton truck to do this in American trucks.

My 5.6 has better towing than a Chevy half ton with a 6.0.

As far as interiors go, if I am paying 30-60K for a truck, it better be an all around vehicle. You implying you do not mind paying 45K for a truck for a motor, trans and rear end.

As far as 50 foot goosenecks, my Titan has pulled a bobcat on an 18 foot tandem axle pipe trailer, a 25' fifth wheel as well as pulling a Dodge out of the ditch because his heavy a** diesel got off the pavement.

My half ton has pulled out one ton diesels too.I don't care about short trips across town,try 2,000 miles with 20k,no gasser is gonna be up to that long haul(aside big blocks),think about stopping as well

Also look again,new silverados 1/2 ton are rated at 11'800 .umm my 53 foot gooseneck empty weighs in at 7000ish pounds I couldn't even remotely begin to make money pulling with anything less than one ton.(where my argument comes from)

Not trying to incite a fight just saying,my diesel truck makes me a gripe of money where a import truck wouldn't cut it.

[asoomal]

My 5.6 has better towing than a Chevy half ton with a 6.0.

Eh...J2807 standards?