Let Me Blame Clinton On The Current Economic Crisis

[Jacko3]

wow man..your kidding rite...reaserch..before you argue..thats how its done!..i believe in you jaco..i believe there is hope for you..and we are here to help bro..to inform you and show you the light

LMAO! That was funny.

[Jacko3]

Smockers:

Excellently said!

[Armelius]

Wrong in every paragraph except for the one that you quoted me and sort of the last one, but your thought process in it is wrong.

Did you say NAFTA? I'm pretty sure you did. Can I show you?

NAFTA does benefit the individual consumer. Refer back to the Prices thread, more specifically the the consumer surplus/producer surplus post. Taxes also create an inneficiency in the economy called dead weight loss. When a tariff is enacted, consumer surplus decreases dramatically due to the government capturing some of the surplus along with the producers and some of it just being lost in nothingness due to economic inefficiencies. So, without tariffs and with NAFTA, the individual consumer benefits.

Corporations came up with NAFTA? The countries involved created NAFTA. Corporations may have asked and pushed for something like NAFTA, but they didn't create it. According to you, we're only bailing out 3 corporations due to NAFTA, the Big 3. But the biggest reason we're bailing them out is because of labor costs, yet you say they tried to cut labor costs by wanting NAFTA and NAFTA helped achieve that. But the domestic labor supply is still way too expensive for them regardless of their use of cheaper labor internationally. Wake up and learn something, then come here and make some sense.

He's attempting to back up and cover his butt.

Easier said than done.

And to Jacko, NAFTA is an agreement. Easier not to implement. If Ross Perot was elected then NAFTA would have been history.

[smockers83]

And to Jacko, NAFTA is an agreement. Easier not to implement. If Ross Perot was elected then NAFTA would have been history.

You said treaties. What is a treaty? An agreement.

And what to me? You quoted me.

Ross Perot told us to listen for the sucking sound that NAFTA would have in terms of jobs. Fact of the matter is, there was net job creation with NAFTA in force.

[DroptopDrifting]

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[Armelius]

You said treaties. What is a treaty? An agreement.

And what to me? You quoted me.

Ross Perot told us to listen for the sucking sound that NAFTA would have in terms of jobs. Fact of the matter is, there was net job creation with NAFTA in force.

You said a treaty was a contract. An agreement is slightly different. You go left and I go right is an agreement.

[smockers83]

I didn't say a treaty is a contract. But here ya go:

A Treaty is an agreement under international law entered into by actors in international law, namely states and international organizations. A Treaty may also be known as: (international) agreement, protocol, covenant, convention, exchange of letters, etc. Regardless of the terminology, all of these international agreements under international law are equally treaties and the rules are the same.

[Jacko3]

I didn't say a treaty is a contract. But here ya go:

A Treaty is an agreement under international law entered into by actors in international law, namely states and international organizations. A Treaty may also be known as: (international) agreement, protocol, covenant, convention, exchange of letters, etc. Regardless of the terminology, all of these international agreements under international law are equally treaties and the rules are the same.

Excellently said!

[hsckris]

The president is the chief executive. He can make or break treaties.

Just to clarify this isn't completely accurate. The president can certainly have a tremendous influence over treaties in the negotiation and even drafting phases, however he alone cannot ratify a treaty. That requires congressional approval.

However, the president can enter into an executive agreement between the US and other nations, which operates like a treaty for most intents and purposes. He (or she) can do this without congressional approval.

[Armelius]

I didn't say a treaty is a contract. But here ya go:

A Treaty is an agreement under international law entered into by actors in international law, namely states and international organizations. A Treaty may also be known as: (international) agreement, protocol, covenant, convention, exchange of letters, etc. Regardless of the terminology, all of these international agreements under international law are equally treaties and the rules are the same.

Oh, I like that quote too. States and international organizations are treated as corporations under international law. Notice that people in the US didn't really get to vote on these "treaties" even though they were in the pipeline for so long. So, ultimately the actors are the only ones responsible for any treaty. Those actors once removed from office are no longer responsible. The next actors such as the sitting president or congress can chose not to agree to a treaty's terms.

But I am sure you would know that one way to ruin a country's sovereignty is through a treaty. It's no wonder the world doesn't want the US to be protectionists.

[smockers83]

Umm, well yeah we didn't get to vote on it because we're not a direct democracy. Here's some more reading for you about NAFTA.

The agreement needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch before it could actually become law. In the U.S., Bush, who had worked to "fast track" the official signing prior to the end of his last term, ran out of time and had to pass the required ratification and "signing into law" to incoming president Bill Clinton.

When a president signs a treaty, it's not between him and the other people, he signs in the name and on behalf of the United States, binding the United States to the treaty, not the president.

[smockers83]

I have a question for you. Are you Bob?

[Jacko3]

Umm, well yeah we didn't get to vote on it because we're not a direct democracy. Here's some more reading for you about NAFTA.

The agreement needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch before it could actually become law. In the U.S., Bush, who had worked to "fast track" the official signing prior to the end of his last term, ran out of time and had to pass the required ratification and "signing into law" to incoming president Bill Clinton.

When a president signs a treaty, it's not between him and the other people, he signs in the name and on behalf of the United States, binding the United States to the treaty, not the president.

[Armelius]

Umm, well yeah we didn't get to vote on it because we're not a direct democracy. Here's some more reading for you about NAFTA.

The agreement needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch before it could actually become law. In the U.S., Bush, who had worked to "fast track" the official signing prior to the end of his last term, ran out of time and had to pass the required ratification and "signing into law" to incoming president Bill Clinton.

When a president signs a treaty, it's not between him and the other people, he signs in the name and on behalf of the United States, binding the United States to the treaty, not the president.

Oh just tell me how many treaties were made between the US and native americans and tell me how many were honored. That should do the trick.

[smockers83]

Uhh, what's your argument here? There's no logic to the way you've progressed to Indians.

[Armelius]

Uhh, what's your argument here? There's no logic to the way you've progressed to Indians.

Treaties were made with the natives, no? What difference would it make?

[smockers83]

What does that have to do with whether an agreement is a treaty or not? Again, no logic involved.

A country can back out of treaty, no doubt. But as I said, it's really easier said than done as there are political repercussions.

[Armelius]

Well that doesn't sound like a big deal to me.

[audtatious]

Clinton was the prophet which showed the way for The One