KYB and Intrax install

[xxtrizz]

Ok I wasnt sure where to put this but i was pretty sure some of you guys would be able to help me on this.

Its for a friend of mine we already installed his KYB and intrax springs on his car but there is something interesting about the rear ones.

Anyways his car is a early 90's (not sure what year) Mazda mx-3.

SO this is the thing the rear springs (Intrax) are already on the struts and bolted up in the car. But the funny thing is the "Intrax" logo is upside down. They print the name on the spring in certain spots on the spring but its upside down. Before we put it in We assumed that the "Intrax" had to be readable or rightside up.

THe thing is before we decided to bolt it up I checked the spring to make sure the form and function would apply with the instillation. First off on one side of the spring the "end tip" of the coil wraps around and "levels" out with the rest of the spring. The other end the "end tip" of the coil is seperated from the coil in the standard spiral.

I put it on both ways but the lower moutning portion or lowwer mount plate/"bowl" for the spring is setup for that seperation in the coil. So that it isnt level. The top moutning plate was more level then the lower strut moutning plate. So im sitting there like man im 110% sure that it is fine dont worry "this is how it fits" it doesnt fit the other way. There is little or no balance play when its sitting unassisted in the strut assembly without the top moutning plate.

Ok anyways he emailed intrax and they said that the "intrax has to be upright and readable by standing position. I was liek WTF if taht was true then the spring wouldnt fit right in the assembly. The "Flat end" of the spring would be in the lower "bowl" and the "Seperated uneven" end would be in the flat mounting plate.

Here is a look at what it kinda looks like I kinda drew it crappy but notice how the "seperation" occurs at the bottom of the spring allowing for the ""Lower bowl moutning plate" to allow for the seperation or the "end tip" of the coil.



Any ideas? He thinks his suspension is messed up because we instlaled it wrong. But his tires are unbalanced, he has a steelie on one tire and the rest are rims so im sure the tire size is different. His brakes are almost gone in the rear. His rear end kinda hops a tad bit when hes driving and hits a bump. His hub bearing is going bad on one side. Out of everything that is wrong with his rear end he blames the irregular install. I told him no matter which way the springs go in once they are compressed they "compression rating is the same for a solid spring" If there were two springs then that would make a difference. Not that im saying I dont want to fix it if its wrong, but I doubt the symptoms he is feeling si from the strut/spring assembly.

Please help me!

[nametakennow]

It would make sense to me to that it would have to be readable. However, if it does not fit when it's readable, and does when it's upside down, then obviously there's something screwy going on. Get a hold of a digi and send pics to Intrax showing how it doesn't fit when readable.

Oh, tell your friend to stop pissing and moaning about it. Working on your car yourself means you run the risk of screwing stuff up (even though it sounds like it was messed to begin with). My friend managed to put my MAF on backwards during the install of my CAI. Car belched and died when we started her and the SES (aka CEL) came on. After we fixed it I got the code cleared and we were all set. That's life.

[xxtrizz]

Yeah thanks alot. But honestly he didnt really piss or moan he just thinks hes right about this one.

Its completely obvious that the thing fit perfectly the way I had it and the flat end doesnt go into the lower bowl portion.

But just because "Intrax" said the logo has to be rightside up he thinks we put it completely in there wrong. Hes blaming the issues hes experiencing in the rear end on the installation. Just because a machine might have printed the "Intrax" logo on there upside down hes prepared to take the spring and strut out to put it in the other way. Honestly installing a suspension should be a one time affair.

But in the end if it doesnt fit "I will" be pissed as a mother ****er for having to pull the thing out. He payed me 50 bucks to help him but damn honestly Im almost 500 percent sure its in right. If I pull the thing out and then see that I am right and we pulled it for no damn reason im liable to never help his *** again.

He wants me to help replace his hub and brake **** and rotors now and Im like man you do it so if you "supposidly" put that **** on backwards im not liable for trying to fix it and then figureing out we had it right in the first place.

ARHHHHHHH!! TY though hehe

[MaineExport]

If there is that much crap wrong with his car.... then he's an IDIOT to install a performance suspension to begin with. A car should be in sound mechanical condition before you start upgrading things... otherwise it's a recipe for disaster! Unless it's a car that isn't getting driven until everything is fixed.

[quote=" xxtrizzI told him no matter which way the springs go in once they are compressed they "compression rating is the same for a solid spring" If there were two springs then that would make a difference.[/quote]Well, actually a single spring CAN be progressive rate and it CAN matter which way it goes in even after compression. A linear rate spring would not matter, but I'm not sure if Intrax springs are progressive or linear.

Normally I'd say go with your insticncts, if it fits one way on one side, then chances are it should fit that way on the other... regardless of how they printed their logo on the product. But, in this case since they specifically said the logo goes up... I'd take it out... put it in "their" way, take pics of both sides... and send them the photos. Then they can tell you if it's right or not.

[AnotherSRLemming]

Wait, he's a friend of yours and he had to pay you $50 to help him install his suspension?

[xxtrizz]

HAHA yeah he had to pay me 50. I had the tools he was merely renting them with my supplied help.

But yeah there is alot wrong with the car. He even noted it..."hmm maybe I shouldnt have asked you to help so early with the install. My suspension is gonna get ****ed up now because of all those problems". Im thinking ..."Im just here to help man" lol

I dont care what he wants to do with it or when he does. That is up to him. But honestly he needs the car to drive with his old suspension the strut tube had no rebound so it was ****ed hardcore.

These are progressive but apparently its progressive on one end for the "lowering" of the vehicle. But his is definitly lowered. But honestly even if the spring was progressive I still dont believe it would matter which way the spring goes in. Yous till have the "same" weight of the vehicle pushing down on the spring only with the added weight of the other progressive rated end of the spring. So basically you would still have the compression of the softer end of the spring from the weight of the vehicle and then the "strong" rate of the other end.

But from the photos it seems to me that all their springs are flat headed and coil headed on one end. SO IM gonna assume that we put it in right.

[andrave]

my tein's are upside down.if it works who cares how the label is