Krash another company you might avoid

[gwoods]

hey man didn't want to jack your thread but I did want to tell you about a Jegs like experience I am having with an Ebay seller called auto anything.

My Jaguar's brakes are starting to make some noise and at 19k miles I think the pads are probably close to gone (tires were toast at 14k) . The car has a wear wire embedded in each pad that when exposed turns on a 'brake' light on the dash. I'm not that worn to the point the light is on but squeakily at every stop.

Additionally the pads are semi metallic and leave lots of brake dust on the wheels which makes me sad. EBC makes red stuff ceramic pads for my Jag and they are pretty much the only company that does. My car is a 2011 so it has a 5/50,0000 warranty that includes all the maintenance (except tires) so my brakes would be free at the dealership. I decided to order the EBC pads and let the dealer put them on.

I searched ebay, amazon and a few online brake retailers and found them buy it now on ebay for about $280 for both axles. I ordered them and the front pads came 2 days later wow. That was 2 weeks ago and the rear pads are still not shipped with an expected ship date of December 16th. Plus this company keeps sending me 'special offers' by email a couple a day. Why would buy something else from them when they are selling parts as buy it now that they don't have in stock and can't get in stock for 2-3 weeks.

I don't have a engine down situation here like you do but its still a joke of a company and unacceptable service.

[MinisterofDOOM]

My Jaguar's brakes are starting to make some noise and at 19k miles I think the pads are probably close to gone (tires were toast at 14k) . The car has a wear wire embedded in each pad that when exposed turns on a 'brake' light on the dash. I'm not that worn to the point the light is on but squeakily at every stop.

My LS8's brakes squeak defiantly. Replace the pads, no squeaks for a couple months, then squeakysqueakysqueak. Pads are thick and new. Still squeaks. I wonder if we have the same OEM pads/rotors (what with our cars being step-siblings--same mommy but different daddies). Let me know if you find a set of pads that STFU on the XF.

[gwoods]

Tata has owned jag since 2008

[MinisterofDOOM]

Right, but the XF is still DEW. T-bird, S-type, LS, and XF are all very closely related.

[gwoods]

The xf was designed under ford managment but many things were changed between 2008 and 2010. Most importantly the sacking of the 4.2 v8 for the 5.0 v8 I would bet 2010 + xf are as much not dew as they are dew.

[gwoods]

http://www.autotalk.com/2012-jaguar-xf-review-16013/

Good artcle

[MinisterofDOOM]

Not trying to be contradictory all over here, but that article is at least partly full of crap. The S-type did NOT have the same engine as the LS. The S-type has a 4.0 or 4.2 liter AJ26 or AJ34. The LS has a 3.9 liter AJ35. The AJ35 uses the same block but has a Ford-designed top-end that's entirely different from the 4 liter. No more the same engine than an LS3 and LS7 are.

The article also fails to note (while referring to the 4.2 as the S-type's "downfall" and the 5.0 as an engineering masterpiece) that the 5.0 is STILL an AJ V8, like the 3.9, 4.0, and 4.2. It's just a newer higher tech version with more cubes. It's just as much "the same engine" as the 4.2 as the 4.2 is the same engine found in the LS.

I don't think the authors ever drove a 4.2 or 4.0 equipped S-type. They get up-in-arms about the low peak horsepower (a complaint I share, from experience) but don't mention the fantastic torque delivery which mostly makes up for the low on-paper hp numbers.

Don't misunderstand: your XF is absolutely a superior car to the S-type or LS, and a significant evolution from them. But it's not as different as that article's author has convinced himself it is. Really, what makes it better is the perfection of all the little things that its predecessors did well, and the correction of the things they did NOT do well (like the open @#$%ing diff).

[Jesda]

http://ateupwithmotor.com/sports-cars-a ... ml?start=4
http://www.astonmartinlife.com/forums/d ... 413f23e135&

Well, powertrain and superficial design differences aside, DEW is still the basic architecture for the car. The floor, the wheelbase, and the rest of the bones are the same. Jaguar is incredibly skilled at massaging old platforms for modern use, like the XK8 (and Aston DB7) which were both closely related to the aging XKS that preceded them. It's a strategy that's kept costs down, retained customers, and protected the brand's identity.

Tata's timing was brilliant as the bulk of the development for the new XF, XJ, and Range Rover Evoque were completed under Ford's direction and financing by the time they took over. Fitting since BMW had finished the development on the L322 Range Rover when the Land Rover brand was sold to Ford for a pittance. I believe Tata will continue to be a good steward of both brands.


Why Lincoln hasn't been able to turn DEW into a current-day Cadillac CTS-fighter is beyond me. As demonstrated by Jaguar, the wheelbase is right-sized for the class and the platform is more than rigid enough to support a high-powered 2010+ sport sedan, one that's vastly superior to the Lincoln MKS.

[Jesda]

Not trying to be contradictory all over here, but that article is at least partly full of crap. The S-type did NOT have the same engine as the LS. The S-type has a 4.0 or 4.2 liter AJ26 or AJ34. The LS has a 3.9 liter AJ35. The AJ35 uses the same block but has a Ford-designed top-end that's entirely different from the 4 liter. No more the same engine than an LS3 and LS7 are.

The article also fails to note (while referring to the 4.2 as the S-type's "downfall" and the 5.0 as an engineering masterpiece) that the 5.0 is STILL an AJ V8, like the 3.9, 4.0, and 4.2. It's just a newer higher tech version with more cubes. It's just as much "the same engine" as the 4.2 as the 4.2 is the same engine found in the LS.

I don't think the authors ever drove a 4.2 or 4.0 equipped S-type. They get up-in-arms about the low peak horsepower (a complaint I share, from experience) but don't mention the fantastic torque delivery which mostly makes up for the low on-paper hp numbers.

Don't misunderstand: your XF is absolutely a superior car to the S-type or LS, and a significant evolution from them. But it's not as different as that article's author has convinced himself it is. Really, what makes it better is the perfection of all the little things that its predecessors did well, and the correction of the things they did NOT do well (like the open @#$%ing diff).

I agree with all of the above.

[gwoods]

Man my Jaguar IS a Ford (runs away crying)

Well however it got to bed what it is I LOVE it. I would love it with a blue oval on the hood it is simply fantastic at everything.

[Jesda]

I would love it with a blue oval on the hood it is simply fantastic at everything.

[krash]

WHAT HAPPENED TO CUSTOMER SERVICE??

[gwoods]

Y2k killied it

And jesda I shop with my right foot not brand loyal at all. If I stuffed my xf today I would get another or a 2013 m5

[gwoods]

jegs style Auto Anything canceled my buy it now ebay order. Unlike Jegs they did issue a real refund instead of a gift certificate.

I always thought if your selling something buy it now its in stock?

[gwoods]

Fast Forward.... I ordered from another online retailer and again took my money then issued a refund. I contacted EBC directly and while they have plans to produce Front brake pads for the XF Supercharged they have not made them yet.