Koni G/C combo. veilside 180sx housings?

Post by **brizanden** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:35 am

ok so does this dude still do this?http://nissanroadracing.com/vb...t=128i have some questions about wht exactly he is selling if anyone can help me get in contact with him. IM curious as to if he sells u the ground control sleeve the mount and the housing for 375 a pair? is that right? idk either way i would like to see if i could get some from him and i cant register at nissanroadracing anymore cause i guess the site is done.thanks

Post by **spooled240** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:39 am

Post by **hbpignosePA** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:49 am

looks thay; but you need the koni inserts up front and the shocks in the back; those are about 140 to 160 a piece

thats not a bad price for the mounts thou...

Post by **brizanden** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 3:17 pm

^lol wut????? ur post was nonsense and did not help me at all.

Post by **hbpignosePA** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 3:52 pm

he is only selling the housings, for the front struts you have to buy koni inserts which are about 140 a piece; the back is the same deal those are just the bottom mounts

and that kit doesnt have the ground control sleeves either

how did that not make sense? lol

that setup costs some coin and isnt for the feint of heart but it would be very good

Post by **brizanden** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 4:03 pm

^the first post didnt make sense to me. and are u sure he doesnt sell u the g/c sleeves. i knew i have to buy the inserts but he can buy em and send em with the housings according to his post. im more looking to get in touch with him or find out if he is still doing this.

Post by **brizanden** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 4:09 pm

hey guys i posted this in the suspension thread and didnt get much luck. i thought maybe you autox guys would know. here is my orginal threadhttp://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=391792any real help would be greatthanks

Post by **crackler** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:59 am

He is using 86 series Koni's, not OTS yellows. Those shocks are considerably more than the yellows.

What exactly are you trying to do???

I'm not even sure what the custom mounts are for, other than an issue with adjusting the 86'S???

Post by **crackler** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:07 am

You guys are thinking of the wrong shocks. That setup if for 86 series shocks, NOT OTS Yellows. I'm not sure why you would need that set-up for yellows. Unless you wanted to run z32 hardware, but I want to find out if they would work with Yellows before I bought them.

Post by **brizanden** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:19 am

arent the 86s stiffer then just the sport yellows? im confused. Are both types inserts? Should i just cut apart my own and make them instead of trying to get ahold of those housings.

Post by **hbpignosePA** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:52 am

i was going to ask y he wanted the mounts; the inserts go right in the factory mounts just fine... now i dont have G/C slevees but the yellows for the rear are the entire shock...

Post by **nissanman04** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:12 pm

I modified my own housings to fit my yellows. If the 86's are an insert as well, I don't see why you couldn't.

Post by **brizanden** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 9:16 pm

yeah i was more wondering if anyone knew wht all this guy was selling cause if i could source the housings sleeves inserts and mounts from him as one package it would be awesome, but i dont think anyone really knows. so thanks for the help anyways guys.

Post by **crackler** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:11 pm

http://zzyzxmotorsports.com/shocks/koni

Post by **nismofly** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:50 am

he can sell you everything you need, assembled and ready to go, but like cracker said its for 8610/8611s not yellows...if you want yellows you just use stock bodies

Post by **nismofly** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:34 am

you can ask him questions you know, im not sure what you were talking about not getting onto nrr, ill send him something on there for you to come check here

Post by **brizanden** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:40 pm

i didnt say anything about yellows?. yeah and i saw how you said talk to him on nrr but it wont let me register for some reason.

Post by **nismofly** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:20 pm

he sells just the housing for the price listed, but can get you the damper and the GC sleeve and everything and assemble it all for you too iirc

i linked it to the other thread in road racing so check there for updates i guess

Post by **brizanden** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:32 pm

k. thanks for your help could u get me his email i cant look at his prof info cause im not registered and like i said i cant register for some reason.

Post by **ITA240SX** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:50 pm

I'm 99.9% sure the price is just for the housings; he might be able to get you the sleeves but I'm pretty sure you'll have to pay extra for them. And yes, both the 8610 and 8611 are inserts (that's why he also makes the housing for the rear); the 8610 is rebound adjustable while the 8611 is both compression and rebound adjustable. If you were to use the standard yellows on the rear you wouldn't need a separate housing, but would still need the sleeves.

I currently have the yellows on both ends of my ITA car, but am thinking about upgrading the fronts to 8611s. I'm not sure, but I hope they can be installed in the oem housing the same way you do the yellows. I'm also not sure about how much, if any, stiffer the 86 series are than the yellows, or whether they are just a stronger shock. I was going to call Lee Grimes at Koni next week to get his opinion on the upgrade. FWIW, I've had the yellows on the race car for almost 5 years now; I installed them while it was still a street car, and they have been through numerous track days and close to 20 races and are still in great shape.

Post by **brizanden** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:29 pm

^cool so i thin ill end up just cutting my oem shocks and running yellows, but i have been thinking about z32 spindles cause you drop quite a few pounds, but i havent read up on the benifits yet all i know is that i would need a housing to run z32 rears.. i think.

Post by **veilside180sx** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:10 am

ITA240SX wrote:I'm 99.9% sure the price is just for the housings; he might be able to get you the sleeves but I'm pretty sure you'll have to pay extra for them. And yes, both the 8610 and 8611 are inserts (that's why he also makes the housing for the rear); the 8610 is rebound adjustable while the 8611 is both compression and rebound adjustable. If you were to use the standard yellows on the rear you wouldn't need a separate housing, but would still need the sleeves.

I currently have the yellows on both ends of my ITA car, but am thinking about upgrading the fronts to 8611s. I'm not sure, but I hope they can be installed in the oem housing the same way you do the yellows. I'm also not sure about how much, if any, stiffer the 86 series are than the yellows, or whether they are just a stronger shock. I was going to call Lee Grimes at Koni next week to get his opinion on the upgrade. FWIW, I've had the yellows on the race car for almost 5 years now; I installed them while it was still a street car, and they have been through numerous track days and close to 20 races and are still in great shape.

I didn't look at the original post, but I'll explain this. I only sell the housings, so you'd need to source the dampers and GC setup. The damper (86 series insert in this case) is just as you said. The 8610 is single adjustable (rebound), and the 8611 is double adjustable (rebound/compression).

The 86** series dampers require a gland nut to retain them in the housing. So unless you have a REALLY big tap, you can't use the factory housings like a standard Koni Yellow. (I have said really big tap for sale if someone really wants to give it a go...)

The Yellows are a linear valving setup, while the both of the 86** series are digressive valved. It gives you more compression at low speeds, which offers more control and less roll. The damping is also stronger and capable of handling much higher spring rates. A typical S13 Yellow will handle a 400-450 lb spring, whereas a 86 series damper will handle a 700+ spring.

Modified by veilside180sx at 6:06 PM 1/6/2009
Modified by veilside180sx at 6:46 PM 1/6/2009

Post by **brizanden** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:23 pm

^i think you wrote in the quote but thanks for the explination. it helped me out alot. As far as the z32 fork housing would i order a 240sx rear 86 series or z32?

Post by **veilside180sx** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:04 pm

brizanden wrote:^i think you wrote in the quote but thanks for the explination. it helped me out alot. As far as the z32 fork housing would i order a 240sx rear 86 series or z32?

I only do Z32 uprights for the rear. So that's not an issue.=)

Post by **veilside180sx** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:06 pm

brizanden wrote:^i think you wrote in the quote but thanks for the explination. it helped me out alot. As far as the z32 fork housing would i order a 240sx rear 86 series or z32?

I fixed it so it's easier to read.

Post by **brizanden** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:40 pm

veilside180sx wrote:
I only do Z32 uprights for the rear. So that's not an issue.=)

i know i know. but the koni do i get a z32 or a 240 one lol.

Post by **ITA240SX** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:04 am

brizanden wrote:^i think you wrote in the quote but thanks for the explination. it helped me out alot. As far as the z32 fork housing would i order a 240sx rear 86 series or z32?

If I understand your question correctly; there is no "240SX" or "Z32" version of the 86 series dampers. They aren't made for specific applications - they are a universal insert. You would need to know the external dimensions of the shocks to get the right size for your car; they make them with different body, shaft, and overall lengths, which are designated by different part numbers (e.g. 8611-1257, 8611-1259, etc.) but Koni doesn't spec them for a particular vehicle.

I spoke with Lee yesterday, and he pretty much said the same thing veilside180sx posted above - the 86 series is an overall better race shock, will handle higher spring rates, and will need a specially built housing to install into. He thought it might be possible to modify a stock 240SX strut housing, but he wasn't 100% sure and even if you could it would take some advanced skills.

Post by **brizanden** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:50 am

yeah ok so would i get the length of the z32 rear shock or the length of the 240sx? thats what im saying. I realize they are just different sizes and i just dont know if i had z32 spindles what size insert i would need for the rear.

Post by **hbpignosePA** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:47 am

is your car your daily?

im not tryin to be a d!ck but this setup your looking for is going to be really really stiff for daily driving. You will probably wear it out quickly from hitting all the potholes etc.

for all the fab work you might as well just get off the shelf coils. would be cheaper, you can go really low if thats what your looking for. I just think its an overly agressive setup for the street.

just my .02

make a writeup if u do it thou id be interested to see how it would turn out.

Post by **brizanden** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:26 am

na def gonna be a autox/ nasa road race car, but thanks for your concern