kade valve adjustment

[snowdrifts13]

my valves are making noise, well i think its my valves anyways, but i looked under my hood and it gives tells you that you gotta do it hot and the specs. but i dont know how to do it because there are no rocker arms on the the kas,( as you guys already know). my car runs good cold then it warms up and looses power and my friend told me that it could be because the valves need to be adjusted. when i pull the valve cover it smells like gas and my plugs look like there running a little lean. sorry if ididnt give all the info needed but i need some help. thanks

[urbanskiben]

if it is running lean then ur intake valvues are running open and exhaust arent opening far enough which if it is that ur timing may be off by a tooth on everything and if not that first check ur distributor timing first might be a lil to advanced

[driftneil]

You cant adjust the valves my friend, ka's have hydrolic lifters. By the way use the search before you ask these questions.

[spank044]

when i pull the valve cover it smells like gas and my plugs look like there running a little lean. thanks

OP, what do you plugs look like? If they smell like gas and are wet then it is not lean, it's rich. Please describe the plugs. Also the valves are a cam on bucket design so I don't think they are your problem. If your noise gets louder after the car warms and oil thins, then it could be any number of problems. Is there metal in your oil? What I am getting at is that your rings could be going bad. When the oil is cold and thick then it seals good and you have good power. But when the oils thins, you lose your seal and compression drops, and some fuel will become blow by contaminating your oil giving it the gas smell. I recommend a compression test. Have you done the timing chain guide removal yet?

http://www.nicoclub.com/articles.php?id=105618

if it is running lean then ur intake valvues are running open and exhaust arent opening far enough which if it is that ur timing may be off by a tooth on everything and if not that first check ur distributor timing first might be a lil to advanced

NO. that post makes no sense at all. if the intake valves are running open then the engine does not run. Timing would not cause his valves to start making noise after warm unless he is contacting the piston. If his timing was off then he would be making less or more power than normal all the time. Dude, this is not the first time I've read a incorrect post from you, so until you know about 100% more than you do now, I think you need to leave technical questions to the big boys that have the experience.

You cant adjust the valves my friend, ka's have hydrolic lifters. By the way use the search before you ask these questions.

Wrong Wrong and agree. The 1991 KA24DE engine has shims on the buckets that allow you to adjust the valves. The 1991 KA24DE engine is a DOHC engine with a cam on bucket design, so it does not have rockers or lifters. But, you got 1 out of 3 correct by adding a SEARCH recommendation.

This has become the most disorientated retarded posts in history of NICO not including the SR vs. KAT thread. I hope all 3 of you learned something from this.
Modified by spank044 at 11:48 PM 1/16/2009

[GO240]

more than likely your timing jumped or its something in the timing set up just check all your timing components because i had a guy tell me my lifters where knocking... it was my timing chain then it flipped a biatch

[spank044]

more than likely your timing jumped or its something in the timing set up just check all your timing components because i had a guy tell me my lifters where knocking... it was my timing chain then it flipped a biatch

He said he only has the problem when the car warms up. So does his timing jump back every time it cools down. Also that doesn't account for the noise or the fuel smell, just the power loss.

[driftneil]

OP, what do you plugs look like? If they smell like gas and are wet then it is not lean, it's rich. Please describe the plugs. Also the valves are a cam on bucket design so I don't think they are your problem. If your noise gets louder after the car warms and oil thins, then it could be any number of problems. Is there metal in your oil? What I am getting at is that your rings could be going bad. When the oil is cold and thick then it seals good and you have good power. But when the oils thins, you lose your seal and compression drops, and some fuel will become blow by contaminating your oil giving it the gas smell. I recommend a compression test. Have you done the timing chain guide removal yet?

http://www.nicoclub.com/articles.php?id=105618

NO. that post makes no sense at all. if the intake valves are running open then the engine does not run. Timing would not cause his valves to start making noise after warm unless he is contacting the piston. If his timing was off then he would be making less or more power than normal all the time. Dude, this is not the first time I've read a incorrect post from you, so until you know about 100% more than you do now, I think you need to leave technical questions to the big boys that have the experience.



Wrong Wrong and agree. The 1991 KA24DE engine has shims on the buckets that allow you to adjust the valves. The 1991 KA24DE engine is a DOHC engine with a cam on bucket design, so it does not have rockers or lifters. But, you got 1 out of 3 correct by adding a SEARCH recommendation.

This has become the most disorientated retarded posts in history of NICO not including the SR vs. KAT thread. I hope all 3 of you learned something from this.

Modified by spank044 at 11:48 PM 1/16/2009

Alright d!ck, first off dude didnt post what engine he was talking about. Second dont act like your the all knowing all seeing, so called BIG BOY. Told dude to search, so dont hop on and call him or me stupid, or flame someone for asking a question. Grow up , did you pop your blow-up girl friend...now your all lonely and mad, and frustrated? Ill be more then glad to meet you in person if you wann discuss this matter further

[liquid_cool]

You cant adjust the valves my friend, ka's have hydrolic lifters. By the way use the search before you ask these questions.

there not hydrolic lifters dude....there buckets over springs..with shims on top..and yes you can change the shims to adjust the valves..it does requier a special tool and some time to do it....now the question is..why is the valve being left open?..couse if ya whear down a shim..it would close more and open less..not hold a valve open...i would do some more reaserch about your problem first..you may have lost a chain guide and have slipped a notch on yout timing..look there first..good luck...

hydrolic lifters..lol...thats funny

[urbanskiben]

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OP, what do you plugs look like? If they smell like gas and are wet then it is not lean, it's rich. Please describe the plugs. Also the valves are a cam on bucket design so I don't think they are your problem. If your noise gets louder after the car warms and oil thins, then it could be any number of problems. Is there metal in your oil? What I am getting at is that your rings could be going bad. When the oil is cold and thick then it seals good and you have good power. But when the oils thins, you lose your seal and compression drops, and some fuel will become blow by contaminating your oil giving it the gas smell. I recommend a compression test. Have you done the timing chain guide removal yet?

http://www.nicoclub.com/articles.php?id=105618

NO. that post makes no sense at all. if the intake valves are running open then the engine does not run. Timing would not cause his valves to start making noise after warm unless he is contacting the piston. If his timing was off then he would be making less or more power than normal all the time. Dude, this is not the first time I've read a incorrect post from you, so until you know about 100% more than you do now, I think you need to leave technical questions to the big boys that have the experience.



Wrong Wrong and agree. The 1991 KA24DE engine has shims on the buckets that allow you to adjust the valves. The 1991 KA24DE engine is a DOHC engine with a cam on bucket design, so it does not have rockers or lifters. But, you got 1 out of 3 correct by adding a SEARCH recommendation.

This has become the most disorientated retarded posts in history of NICO not including the SR vs. KAT thread. I hope all 3 of you learned something from this.

Modified by spank044 at 11:48 PM 1/16/2009

to this dusch i said more open meaning that they are spending more time open than closed sorry but if they are spending more time open when it warms up that mans that the vaulves are floating sorry get your facts straight because i no what causes **** to go wrong and no if i dont now about it i dont post it

[urbanskiben]

He said he only has the problem when the car warms up. So does his timing jump back every time it cools down. Also that doesn't account for the noise or the fuel smell, just the power loss.

when the car warms up the chain strechs smart A** dumbf**k and the fuel smell is probly worn piston rings and everything is not going to be relateted to the same problem on this engine it is all acumulated to this so quit bein cocky and big boys how stupid i hae ase certifed in engine rebuilding so how much more BIG BOY can u get o quote u

[spank044]

Alright d!ck, first off dude didnt post what engine he was talking about. Second dont act like your the all knowing all seeing, so called BIG BOY. Told dude to search, so dont hop on and call him or me stupid, or flame someone for asking a question. Grow up , did you pop your blow-up girl friend...now your all lonely and mad, and frustrated? Ill be more then glad to meet you in person if you wann discuss this matter further

Real mature, I tell the OP that you are wrong so he is not misinformed and you come out with insults instead of learning from the situation. I see 2 replies telling you your wrong, so maybe you should read up on what engine is in a 1991 240sx. Before you say that he didn't say what engine he had, there are clues, he said he doesn't have rockers, first clue that he has a KA24DE. If you wanna meet in person so I can show you my low 11 KA-t thats fine. Next time your in Michigan we can have a good old fashion show down. Until then keep your smack talk out of a information thread.

i to this dusch i said more open meaning that they are spending more time open than closed sorry but if they are spending more time open when it warms up that mans that the vaulves are floating sorry get your facts straight because i no what causes **** to go wrong and no if i dont now about it i dont post it

In your original reply you said that his valves were running open, you need to be more specific on what you mean. Remember most people you answer to on hear need a detail oriented response, they don't know what your thinking. I hope you agree with the last 2 sentences about detail, please use more detail. Then you are going against your original post about timing. Valve float is not a product of timing, but worn valve guides, bad or incorrect springs, or harsh cam lobes at high RPM's.

when the car warms up the chain strechs smart A** dumbf**k and the fuel smell is probly worn piston rings and everything is not going to be relateted to the same problem on this engine it is all acumulated to this so quit bein cocky and big boys how stupid i hae ase certifed in engine rebuilding so how much more BIG BOY can u get o quote u

Almost as mature as the other guy. Thanks for restating the piston ring idea, that is the most likely cause of the fuel smell and poor power production. The timing chain will not stretch far enough to change the timing more than 2-3 degrees tops which will not cause a noticeable difference on a dd. I understand that not everything is related that is why I told him about multiple problems, not just one.

I'm calling bull**** on your ASE Engine Machinist certification. First off you don't even know the proper name of the certification. Second you need 2 years of hands on full time work, being 17 you don't have the ability to work full time during school. I know that school credit can count for 1 year, but the other has to be full time work in the field. Third. You broke numbers 2 and 7 seven of the code of ethics. You lost respect for ASE and you are not learning from this, you are trying to prove your right, even though you are just spewing out uneducated guesses about his problem.

Also if you are ASE certified, why are you asking me in another thread how to convert manual windows to auto.

[driftneil]

Real mature, I tell the OP that you are wrong so he is not misinformed and you come out with insults instead of learning from the situation. I see 2 replies telling you your wrong, so maybe you should read up on what engine is in a 1991 240sx. Before you say that he didn't say what engine he had, there are clues, he said he doesn't have rockers, first clue that he has a KA24DE. If you wanna meet in person so I can show you my low 11 KA-t thats fine. Next time your in Michigan we can have a good old fashion show down. Until then keep your smack talk out of a information thread.

In your original reply you said that his valves were running open, you need to be more specific on what you mean. Remember most people you answer to on hear need a detail oriented response, they don't know what your thinking. I hope you agree with the last 2 sentences about detail, please use more detail. Then you are going against your original post about timing. Valve float is not a product of timing, but worn valve guides, bad or incorrect springs, or harsh cam lobes at high RPM's.

Almost as mature as the other guy. Thanks for restating the piston ring idea, that is the most likely cause of the fuel smell and poor power production. The timing chain will not stretch far enough to change the timing more than 2-3 degrees tops which will not cause a noticeable difference on a dd. I understand that not everything is related that is why I told him about multiple problems, not just one.

I'm calling bull**** on your ASE Engine Machinist certification. First off you don't even know the proper name of the certification. Second you need 2 years of hands on full time work, being 17 you don't have the ability to work full time during school. I know that school credit can count for 1 year, but the other has to be full time work in the field. Third. You broke numbers 2 and 7 seven of the code of ethics. You lost respect for ASE and you are not learning from this, you are trying to prove your right, even though you are just spewing out uneducated guesses about his problem.

Also if you are ASE certified, why are you asking me in another thread how to convert manual windows to auto.

Look man, I knew I was wrong and willing to admit it. And would have, given you would'nt have said "this is the most retarted post since the sr', blah blah blah. You wanna hop up and teach, thats fine.(looks like you know a little more about those engines) But save your s**t talking, cause I just might wanna come check your car out.

[spank044]

Next time your gonna be in Michigan send me an email and we can meet up somewhere. I have yet to see another respectable go fast 240sx in the area. I'm in West Michigan on the north side of Grand Rapids.

[driftneil]

Honestly bro, I wont even claim numbers on my car. But im down to run anyone, just not drive 8sum hours to do it. Might be able to figure something out though.

[spank044]

Do you have any 1/4 mile time slips, dyno slips, or video? I wouldn't expect you to show up here or me go there, but I like the thought of seeing other 240's with owners that know their car is fast instead of the local ricers that think their car is fast. I mostly hangout with an older group of Muscle guys and they love it when I smoke one of them on the street or at the track. The thing I like the most is that they know I'm fast and make rice jokes because I know they know I can beat a majority of them. My favorite was when I pulled away from a high ten's corvette on the highway during a fall color tour run. The rest of the guys still make fun of him when we're together.

[urbanskiben]

Real mature, I tell the OP that you are wrong so he is not misinformed and you come out with insults instead of learning from the situation. I see 2 replies telling you your wrong, so maybe you should read up on what engine is in a 1991 240sx. Before you say that he didn't say what engine he had, there are clues, he said he doesn't have rockers, first clue that he has a KA24DE. If you wanna meet in person so I can show you my low 11 KA-t thats fine. Next time your in Michigan we can have a good old fashion show down. Until then keep your smack talk out of a information thread.

In your original reply you said that his valves were running open, you need to be more specific on what you mean. Remember most people you answer to on hear need a detail oriented response, they don't know what your thinking. I hope you agree with the last 2 sentences about detail, please use more detail. Then you are going against your original post about timing. Valve float is not a product of timing, but worn valve guides, bad or incorrect springs, or harsh cam lobes at high RPM's.

Almost as mature as the other guy. Thanks for restating the piston ring idea, that is the most likely cause of the fuel smell and poor power production. The timing chain will not stretch far enough to change the timing more than 2-3 degrees tops which will not cause a noticeable difference on a dd. I understand that not everything is related that is why I told him about multiple problems, not just one.

I'm calling bull**** on your ASE Engine Machinist certification. First off you don't even know the proper name of the certification. Second you need 2 years of hands on full time work, being 17 you don't have the ability to work full time during school. I know that school credit can count for 1 year, but the other has to be full time work in the field. Third. You broke numbers 2 and 7 seven of the code of ethics. You lost respect for ASE and you are not learning from this, you are trying to prove your right, even though you are just spewing out uneducated guesses about his problem.

Also if you are ASE certified, why are you asking me in another thread how to convert manual windows to auto.

for one if the timing chain i streched enough it could mess with it and the floating vaulves thats not what it is itsfloating on the vaulve seats smart**s but the window thing bc i havent dug into it and u no what it s like in michigan cold AS HELL thats y i am checkin and it doesnt have to be full time jus sertan hrs.

[spank044]

for one if the timing chain i streched enough it could mess with it and the floating vaulves thats not what it is itsfloating on the vaulve seats smart**s but the window thing bc i havent dug into it and u no what it s like in michigan cold AS HELL thats y i am checkin and it doesnt have to be full time jus sertan hrs.

The timing chain would break before the timing was distorted by more than 3 or 4 degrees. 4 links is equivalent to 10 degrees of cam timing. Also are you referring to the upper or lower timing chain. If you are referring to the upper double row chain then you'd be in a world of **** because since the KA's are zero clearance engines. Also both chain have a tensioner on then to take up the slack so the individual links would have to be stretched more than 5/32nds of an inch, then they would not fit the gears and the engine wouldn't run. What are you referring to when you say floating on the valve seats? If you are referring to the physical damage from valve float then the valve would still seat, the seat is no longer in the correct form. Valve float is the event of the valves not remaining in contact with the camshaft during the valve closing process.

In order to become ASE certified you are required to have 2 years of full time work experience in the field, a 3 or 4 year apprenticeship, or equal approved education such as UTI or a tech school. Your in a pile of lies now, what are going to do about it? Are you going to admit you are not certified or are you going to lie again? I don't want to be a d!ck about this, but I can't stand it when people lie to me.


Modified by spank044 at 7:27 PM 1/19/2009

[GO240]

so did your question actually ever get answered? or?? not??

[urbanskiben]

for ur information u can get ur certifacation of master tech in 9 months with a tech school and with the chain links 4 to 5 links is more degrees than that way more and the links can be streched jus enough and the floating vaulves that is not wht a floating valve is that is when the vaulve is not closed all the way even in jus one area and can be cuased by about 6 things or so and i am dont with this imature callin me out expecially on this other persons forum if u want to do it call me out on my own