Ka24e Won't start after changing timing chain HELP!!!

[gtc_240sx]

Help!! i just finish replacing the timing chain, now my ka24e won't start. i figured it has something to do with the timing in the distributor.... When on tdc, my distributor is not on no.1 terminal....

What should i do? did i put the spindle thing wrong?PLEASE HELP

[fetherw8]

ive never done distributor timing but im pretty sure you just take it out and turn the teeth til its at point number one. right??

[gtc_240sx]

i don't think so!!

[carkook]

I have the SAME PROBLEM.

[gtc_240sx]

NICO MEMBERS PLS HELPO!!!

[gtc_240sx]

I have the SAME PROBLEM.

I saw all your post that u have created!! Guess nobody is willing to help or don't know what to do huh?

[S13D.W.A]

you need to change the distributer to 5 i believe or 3 since if it's a 1 you are killing your motors advancement(as in movement) i had this problem but i fixed it by taking it to tthe machanics yesterday and he moved it to the 5 i believe

[RB25-240sx]

It's really hard to say exactly what it could be, everything has to be put back together just right. I recently did the same thing to my dual cam. Did you line up the distributor when you put it back in? Are you sure your cam is timed correctly (I screwed this up and bent four valves, not fun). Use the factory service manual and read through it as many times as you can without going crazy, you'd be surprised how much you can miss. If you can give a better explanation of what it does when you turn the key I can try to help some more.

[S13D.W.A]

Wow Four Valves Thats Really Not Cool But Shops Have This type Of Gun Looking Thing That Lets You Know Where It Goes And You Can Tell Right Away The Difference Not Only In Response But On How Your Engine Sounds

[gtc_240sx]

when i crank it.... it just crank and crank and crank!!! nothing else... and if i did lined up the cam wrong... when i crank i would have heard a bending noise, am i right?

[gtc_240sx]

Wow Four Valves Thats Really Not Cool But Shops Have This type Of Gun Looking Thing That Lets You Know Where It Goes And You Can Tell Right Away The Difference Not Only In Response But On How Your Engine Sounds

are you talking about timing gun?

[carkook]

I saw all your post that u have created!! Guess nobody is willing to help or don't know what to do huh?

Yeah, people who try and explain it really have no idea what they are talking about unless they have done it. On the ka24E there is a seperate drive gear for the dist. that is held in by the timing chain cover. So unless they have done it they really dont understand our frustration.

So you set the crank to TDC, but the thing is the number 1 and number 4 piston are at the top of the stroke, so which one is suppost to be firing is really a guessing game, unless someone knows how to figure out which one is suppost to fire(keep in mind the dist. is out so dont just say its the one the dist. rotor is pointing too )

So yesterday I set my crank to TDC and put it in so the rotor is pointing to number 1, I noticed it was a little off so then pulled the drive gear back out and spun it around 180 degrees, which would make the rotor point at 4, sure enough it was perfectly alligned with the number 4 on the dist cap.

So set the crank at TDC then put the drive gear in so it looks perfectly vertical (looking in from the bottom where the oil pump is) as you can get it, if it doesnt line up with the #1 on the dist cap perfectly, swicht it around 180 degrees and put it back in so it is vertical again, and should line up perfect with #4

this might help a little, zerothread/161707

Good luck! just have to keep trying. I finally got mine running

[carkook]

you need to change the distributer to 5 i believe or 3 since if it's a 1 you are killing your motors advancement(as in movement) i had this problem but i fixed it by taking it to tthe machanics yesterday and he moved it to the 5 i believe

Exactly what im talking about. Yup take it to a mechanic thats how you fix the problem!

btw you dont make since so dont post ever ever ever ever ever ever everrrrrr haha jk... kinda

[urcaptnspeaking]

I ran into some troubles with this on mine a while back. You have to get the Half moon on the bottom of the distributor and the half moon on the oil pump shaft right . Then all that has to be in line with the crank, and you have to make sure your timing chain mark was lined up (chain with the dot on the sprocket) Its a big PITA if you ask me. Just double check everything.

[gtc_240sx]

ok finally got it running but... there is a problem!!! It does not run right! it sounds like tump tump tump tump ..... and when running more than 15 secs.... header smokes and exhaust is mad hot... but for some reason the 3rd cylinder's exhaust is not hot

Any ideas????

[RB25-240sx]

I hate to say this, but if you can't figure it out you really need to have some one look at it. I'm not saying this to be an *** or anything, it's just that there are so many things that could have been done wrong. I could run through all the things I had to do to troubleshoot my situation, but it would take pages to explain all of the things I had to do seeing as how it took me about a week working all day, everyday double checking everything before I realized I bent some valves. And after I got the head back it still took about 3 days to get everything back together and running correctly.

P.S. - I see that you live in Kissimmee, I wish I could make it down there to help you, but there are plenty of helpful members on floridadrift.com, they are based out of Orlando and some one should be able to come out and help you.

[RB25-240sx]

BTW, 3rd cylinder probably isn't firing, could be timing, could be ignition, or you may have even bent a valve.

[gtc_240sx]

BTW, 3rd cylinder probably isn't firing, could be timing, could be ignition, or you may have even bent a valve.

That is what i had in mind, that maybe i bent the no.3 valves... I hope not.....

will try again tomorrow

[carkook]

When I got my car running the first time, I had the ignition timing(dist. drive gear) in right, but the cam timing was off. It would start and run but like crap, and when you tried to rev it, it would just instantly bog. So if this is what is happening to you, you didnt match the timing marks to the dis colored links on the timing chain. So your ignition timing is right, and the car will start, but the timing at the cam is off so the valves are open at the wrong times. You can check this by puting your car at TDC, take the valve cover off and then look at you cam sprocket. It should look like this at TDC. If that little square that is on the cam sprocket isnt pointing up, or at the very top like that, then the cam timing is off.

[urcaptnspeaking]

true its in the right position there, BUT you have to take into consideration did you Screw the valve train now. That is why I said DOUBLE and TRIPLE check what you did (in my post a while back ) This is what I was referring to.

[gtc_240sx]

When I got my car running the first time, I had the ignition timing(dist. drive gear) in right, but the cam timing was off. It would start and run but like crap, and when you tried to rev it, it would just instantly bog. So if this is what is happening to you, you didnt match the timing marks to the dis colored links on the timing chain. So your ignition timing is right, and the car will start, but the timing at the cam is off so the valves are open at the wrong times. You can check this by puting your car at TDC, take the valve cover off and then look at you cam sprocket. It should look like this at TDC. If that little square that is on the cam sprocket isnt pointing up, or at the very top like that, then the cam timing is off.

It is right!!! my cam is at 12 o'clock when in tdc.... may i have a picture of a distributor wiring

[gtc_240sx]

true its in the right position there, BUT you have to take into consideration did you Screw the valve train now. That is why I said DOUBLE and TRIPLE check what you did (in my post a while back ) This is what I was referring to.

your letting go your s13? why?

[urcaptnspeaking]

Its a long story, but anyways I am no longer in a hurry to sell it.

Anyways the firing order is 1.3.4.2. i believe counter clockwise. Take the dist. Out get TDC, put the dist. back in and aligned like it should be.

[gtc_240sx]

it still does not make sense why the header is smoking

[urcaptnspeaking]

is it burning oil?

[gtc_240sx]

idki'm about to give up and get a pickup truck while i save up for a better engine

[gtc_240sx]

Anyway, how does one know that one has bent some valves? any video?

[carkook]

Your header could be smoking just because you spilled some oil on it, or the oil and grease from your hands if youve been on it. I would just go and check every plug for spark.

[RB25-240sx]

Here is the checklist that I went through, as complete as I can remember it:

1. Check spark at all plugs

2. Set #1 to TDC and make sure distributor is in #1 position (take your valve cover off and make sure both valves are closed to be sure you're at TDC on compression stroke)

3. Make sure that you tightened the camshaft gear all the way down and that the cam is spinning with the gear (I think this is how I bent my valves)

If all this is okay, there are two more things:

4. This doesn't make any sense to me, but after I got everything put back together the right way with the rebuilt head, it would only run for a few seconds then cut off, I double checked the firing order, it was right but I decided to rotate it 180 degrees from the suggestion of a friend. Some how it worked, my firing order is technically incorrect, but it runs great.

5. This is the one you don't want to hear, that's right, your valves. You're going to have to take the head back off and if the valves don't seat flush with the valve seats, even by a few millimeters, they are bent.

I hope this helps and that I didn't just repeat things I've already said, but I really hope you can get this all figured out, I know how frustrating it can be. I missed a week of school because of mine.

[gtc_240sx]

so i decided to start it and let it run for awhile..... it stays started but idles like a v8...... when shift in 1st and try to drive, it will seems like it wants to die..... but when rev past 2000 rpm... engine sound normal like before again, haven't got a timing light to check the timing yet.... you guys think it could be the problem? that my ignition timing is off?