ka24e vs. d16y8!!!!!!!

[ka24depignosecoupe]

every thursday,friday,and saturday night there is always a car meet at a car wash or a empty parking lot like fashinbug or other lots in which i am always there hanging out with the local s-chassis guys in s13's and s14's and some of the honda guys and i the town that i live in there is alot of hondas good well built ones to poopers. i was hanging out last friday night with some dudes talking about our cars and all of a sudden this guy was talking sh$t about my car, "that piece of crap 240 ill smoke that thing,honda all day,vtec" and he kept on rambling about how great hondas are because they have vtec and they rev high. i dont give 2 sh!ts about hondas right about now. he has a 1991 honda civic hatch with a d16y8 sigle cam vtec swap, full interor,audio and he says that he can beat me with the car full. people kept on telling him to race my so he callenged me to a race this saturday night i have a 1990 nissan 240sx coupe (the lightest of all s13's made) everything from the front seats back gutted including sound material, no audio at all, a short ram intake and a msd blaster coil 2. he has the normal honda mods ebay intake,dc header,skunk2 exhaust, and a msd 2-step.what do you guys think?do you think i will beat him?

might be his motor



my motor before the mods

[gumby74]

prob'ly not.

[liquid_cool]

depends....if ya can coax him into a race with corners..you might have a chance....you look pretty stock..i dunno if ya can beat him strait up in a drag..he has the advantage with a lighter.F/F platform and some mods..coax him into a time attack race with corners..most drag racers cant attack a corner and you will have em.

[drft204]

you'll smoke him. f**k Honda! =P

[480sx]

You will get smoked in a drag race, it will be embarrassing.

[gumby74]

depends....if ya can coax him into a race with corners..you might have a chance....you look pretty stock..i dunno if ya can beat him strait up in a drag..he has the advantage with a lighter.F/F platform and some mods..coax him into a time attack race with corners..most drag racers cant attack a corner and you will have em.

I don't know how to break this to you, but stock for stock, you do know that Honda's suspension is superior to the Nissan right? A lot of people make the mistake of thinking that a Civic can not turn because it's an FF. The problem is the majority of guys CAN NOT drive a rear drive platform well enough to make that a difference.I used to autox and road race both a Miata and a Civic hatch in my youth. I could probably give more than a few guys the advantage of an SR and still lap them with nothing more than a stock Civic Si with some r compounds.Just something to consider. Unless of course this particular Civic has the usual 6 inch drop with massive negative camber, then the suspension is pretty much moot.Regardless, you are not gonna win. I can make you a very looooong list of cars a SOHC S13 is not faster than, but it would be easier to make a list of cars it is faster than. One of those cars would be a Geo Metro. 3 cylinder.

[480sx]

You might be able to take a prius too. Maybe a ford festiva too.. Maybe...

[gumby74]

It hurts me to admit, that's gonna be a negative on the Prius. Personal experience.Pretty much anything built after, say, 1995 is gonna accelerate faster than a SOHC S13. Don't feel bad though, the DOHC S13 fares only slightly better. Sorry fellas, but reality is a mo'fo.

[240sxvaj]

i took out one of my friends 95 or 96 civic coupe with my ALL stock 91 240sxand he had on cam gears, intake, exhaust, and maybe headers, better suspensions and yea. i took him about 1 car and i beat a 97 LS integra by half a car. i was suprise what my motor could do. im sure the SOHC s13 will beat that weak A$$$$ d16 but then if not then its the driver lol!

[Crautz240]

gumby i can honestly not figure out were you are getting any of this from... if its only from experience then i hate to say it maybe your not that great of a driver...my brother has a 98 civic coupe with intake, headers, and exhaust, when i first got my 240 i had nothing but intake on it and smoked him (i had a ka24de in it though)point is... he had mods i was stock.. so if you drive the race perfect... and i mean perfect... you stand a very very slight chance, i mean its a dam d16 for goodness sake, and you have the advantage of rwd which kicks *** at the start and you don't loss as much power through the drivetrain as fwd does so even with his minor mods, your minor mods and higher stock hp gives you the advantage, you should think about putting ka24de in or maybe a sr if your really into dragging. Or even better sell your 240 so someone can drift it like it was meant to lolAnyways Let us now how it went.

[s13_maJiK]

I beat gsr's and EK si's with a stock ka (not single cam)

[GatorbackBob]

depends on if he can shift at the right rpms, u will lose if urs is auto,which I dont see a clutch fluid cylinder in ur pic. but my ka 5 speed stock has torn down many a honda both in the short strech, and in the long run.

[Rev_D21]

Sounds like that guy has a case of the gays. Tell him to take his Honda and shove up his Pepboys cum dripping poophole.

[Ajax]

I normally don't respond to these threads, but I feel like it today.First, obviously, take it to the track if you're going to do this, or at the very least, a remote area where there will be no innocent bystanders- Be Safe!2nd, its a tough call. I've been in a stripped 240 with few mods, and it does all right. Depending on conditions and the two of you as drivers, it may be possible to keep up. Just keep it low-key. Don't put much pride into this or you may need to swallow it.

[drft204]

you have to atleast know how to race and have good tires. my friend was racing down a straight and he obviously didn't know how to race cuz he spun out and pwn'd a no parking sign. and civics usually hit 16.5-17 seconds on the strip when stock. KA dohc's hit 16.1-16.5. depends on driver. it would prolly be really close

[s13_maJiK]

you have to atleast know how to race and have good tires. my friend was racing down a straight and he obviously didn't know how to race cuz he spun out and pwn'd a no parking sign. and civics usually hit 16.5-17 seconds on the strip when stock. KA dohc's hit 16.1-16.5. depends on driver. it would prolly be really close

Yea those numbers highly depend on your driver skill, my friend ran a 15.4 in his probe GT and I beat it with my stock ka

[gumby74]

gumby i can honestly not figure out were you are getting any of this from... if its only from experience then i hate to say it maybe your not that great of a driver...my brother has a 98 civic coupe with intake, headers, and exhaust, when i first got my 240 i had nothing but intake on it and smoked him (i had a ka24de in it though)point is... he had mods i was stock.. so if you drive the race perfect... and i mean perfect... you stand a very very slight chance, i mean its a dam d16 for goodness sake, and you have the advantage of rwd which kicks *** at the start and you don't loss as much power through the drivetrain as fwd does so even with his minor mods, your minor mods and higher stock hp gives you the advantage, you should think about putting ka24de in or maybe a sr if your really into dragging. Or even better sell your 240 so someone can drift it like it was meant to lolAnyways Let us now how it went.

When you get 20 years of driving under your belt junior, let me know. I'll still take your pink slip and your lunch money. But the unfortunate, ugly truth is this kid is going to race that other kid in a Civic. And chances are better than good that the Nissan is not going to win. And even if he does beat that other kid, isn't that still kinda'....sad? Sorry to break it to you, but a SOHC 240sx is not fast at all. A rear driver with an open diff really is not much of an advantage in grip over an FF car. Neither is an aenemic engine that stops pulling at about the same point as a domestic small block. (minus the power) I have heard plenty of stories about "I beat Mustang GT's, and WRX's in my stock ____ all the time." Funny thing is, I have never SEEN it. What I have seen is the SR'ed 240 get it's *** handed to it by a lightly modified Cobra, WS-6 T/A, and the big block powered Chevy Blazer. Not to mention muscle cars on slicks and skinnies on the street, Grand Nationals, and those crazy rednecks running propane injection on 3/4 ton deisels. Some of you guys are reaching, others are more realistic. To the OP, be sensible when you drive, take it to a track if you can and let us know what happens. Regardless, I am not wrong.So, take it with a grain of salt, be grateful for the good things in your life, and do what you can to honor them.

[Crautz240]

When you get 20 years of driving under your belt junior, let me know. I'll still take your pink slip and your lunch money.

Ok.. but you'll need your dentures for my lunch, jk.... i couldn't stop laughing when i read your post (not in a bad way but because it honestly mad me look stupid as **** lol)

[spindrift187]

If your single cam isn't well maintained id save yourself the embarassment. Do a full tune-up/get it running up to par, he shouldn't be an issue whatsoever unless you can't drive to save your life.

[-RJ-]

just get a turbo, that will show him lol. Usually with those kinda guys, i dont let them get to me. I just usually say, "Oh thats nice" or "Good, I'm happy for you" and then turn away. That usually shuts them up quick and makes them look stupid

But my favorite quote ive been saying now is, "You may be faster then me, but I look cooler doing it." Then walk away before they have time to think of what to say

[Bigvinnie]

Advance your timing 4 to 5 degrees. Add some toluene and xylene and smoke his a$$.I smoke N/A 4 banger civics for lunch, and V6 honda accords for dinner......

[Gabes13]

throw in a B18 GSR motor in your 240... then you can beat him

[Bigvinnie]

throw in a B18 GSR motor in your 240... then you can beat him

A honda H22 is better.....

[9240sx]

LOL we did this exact race in high school..My freinds had a 93 dx civic hatch with a JDM 1.6 sohc Vtec with I/H/E ecu and a few other little boltons,Vs my other friends 89 240 coupe with just a K&N cone filter..And the 240 pulled about a car lenth everytime. That KA24E was beat too 215XXX miles on it.You'll win if you can drive decent.

[D-UNIT]

Watch out I have 91 civic. the reg says it only weighs 2150 pounds. Lower your tire pressure and launch at 3500 rpm. don't dumpit thou. You might take him 2.5 car lengths off the line and hopefully ur torQue will carry u to the win. Maybe not. Btw my KA isn't slow. DOHC baby.

[i240sx]

i say go low on the fuel, 91 gas, don't open your window, and race from a stop not a roll cause civic have high top end, you'll beat him from a stop cause the ka have more TQ then d16.if you race on a roll the d16 vtec will kick in.you have no chance.i mess with my cousin 2000 gsr and mine was a sohc.from a stop i pull 3 car lenght away from him in 1st and 2nd gear until he pull away in 3rd gear.cuz his b18 has high top end.the ka will beat a d16 from a stop...he has intake i have exhaust.

[spindrift187]

Guys lets be serious...It's a KA24E vs. D16Y8...I don't think it as serious as the gas you use/keeping your windows/up or down or tire pressure hahaha

[Ilvemynissan]

I hate to say it but, I have beat a couple hondas in my SOHC. All from a roll though, I don't race at streetraces, only have done a few from a roll with no one around. If you know how to launch correctly I am pretty confident you should win. And spindrift187, it doesnt matter the motor, all of those will help at least a little bit, especially tire pressure.

[spindrift187]

Like I said a good running KA-E will walk all over a SOHC honda. And to put all this to rest, it's been over a week since the race supposedly happened. Outcome?

[sticky_steve]

bump, i'm interested in the race, if it happened?