ka24de ae86

[ka-ae86]

hey im needing help on the wiring ...i have the motor in headers made drive shaft made all i lack is the wiring part im running it with no fuse box so i just need to know what wires i can tie together to get power going

i know its a bastard swap but my s14 got wrecked and my sr5 ae86 is carb so made sense to put them together [IMG][/IMG]

[breadbox]

grab the full harness for the KA. Why going with out fuses?

[flohtingPoint]

It begs the question; Why go the long way around to put in a motor that's MUCH worse than a 4ag?

[sean@z1]

He is going through the trouble cause it is a SR5 and NOT a GTS SR5 specificationsChassis Code: AE86 Horsepower: 87 hp (64 kW) @ 4800 rpm* Torque: 85 ft·lbf (115 N·m) @ 2800 rpm* Weight: approximately 2200 lb (998 kg) to 2400 lb (1089 kg) Engine: 4A-C, 1587 cc Engine Type: SOHC 8-valve Inline-4 Carburated M/T Transmission: T50, 6-bolt flywheel A/T Transmission: A42DL, 4-speed overdrive w/lockup torque converter, mechanically controlled, with electronically engaged overdrive Compression: 9.0:1 Differential: 6.38" Open with 4.10:1 Ratio, 2-pinion (Automatic) (S292) or 3.91:1 Ratio, 4-pinion (5-speed) (S314) Wheels/Tires: 13x5" +33 mm Offset Rims with 185/70-13 Tires First 7 Digits of VIN: JT2AE86

[discosteak]

It begs the question; Why go the long way around to put in a motor that's MUCH worse than a 4ag?

haha you have no idea how good of a swap this is for an ae86. the ka has torque and lots of it right in the middle of the rev range. that is something the 4ag will never have. also my buddys swap in his car made almost 150 whp.

the engine he bought only cost him 50 bucks. ran like a champ and almost all of the pieces we made to make the ka fit were able to be re used when we put the SR in it.

how much would it cost to get 150 whp from 4ag?

[flohtingPoint]

He is going through the trouble cause it is a SR5 and NOT a GTS SR5 specificationsChassis Code: AE86 Horsepower: 87 hp (64 kW) @ 4800 rpm* Torque: 85 ft·lbf (115 N·m) @ 2800 rpm* Weight: approximately 2200 lb (998 kg) to 2400 lb (1089 kg) Engine: 4A-C, 1587 cc Engine Type: SOHC 8-valve Inline-4 Carburated M/T Transmission: T50, 6-bolt flywheel A/T Transmission: A42DL, 4-speed overdrive w/lockup torque converter, mechanically controlled, with electronically engaged overdrive Compression: 9.0:1 Differential: 6.38" Open with 4.10:1 Ratio, 2-pinion (Automatic) (S292) or 3.91:1 Ratio, 4-pinion (5-speed) (S314) Wheels/Tires: 13x5" +33 mm Offset Rims with 185/70-13 Tires First 7 Digits of VIN: JT2AE86

Yes, I know all of this. I have a huge thread in this section of the forums about a build I did on a SR5. I spent three years working mainly on Corolla's in Germany, as I owned two and had two others that used to come into our autoshop quite a bit.

haha you have no idea how good of a swap this is for an ae86. the ka has torque and lots of it right in the middle of the rev range. that is something the 4ag will never have. also my buddys swap in his car made almost 150 whp.

the engine he bought only cost him 50 bucks. ran like a champ and almost all of the pieces we made to make the ka fit were able to be re used when we put the SR in it.

how much would it cost to get 150 whp from 4ag?

I'm positive it did not make that much, either your friend is exaggerating and you're gullible, or you're lying. My blacktop 20v didn't even do that in stock form. Hell, KA24DE's barely crest 150 at the crank (155hp).

The KA's torque is nothing to write home about. CA's make more torque 400rpms quicker than a KA and in stock format, CA's feel relatively torqueless.

It's obvious you've never done any work with a 4ag. The motor is nearly bulletproof. I've run them till they were nearly bone dry on oil (just a smidge of black on the dipstick) and they still spun like a champ. I've beat on them mercilessly on Hockenheim/Nurburgring, to the point where I even my CA would have broke down, and they still kept on ticking. Ask any person who has wrenched on a bunch of Japanese motors, 4ag's are one of the best built motors to ever come from that country.
Modified by flohtingPoint at 10:19 PM 7/16/2009

[discosteak]

I'm positive it did not make that much, either your friend is exaggerating and you're gullible, or you're lying. My blacktop 20v didn't even do that in stock form. Hell, KA24DE's barely crest 150 at the crank (155hp).

The KA's torque is nothing to write home about. CA's make more torque 400rpms quicker than a KA and in stock format, CA's feel relatively torqueless.

It's obvious you've never done any work with a 4ag. The motor is nearly bulletproof. I've run them till they were nearly bone dry on oil (just a smidge of black on the dipstick) and they still spun like a champ. I've beat on them mercilessly on Hockenheim/Nurburgring, to the point where I even my CA would have broke down, and they still kept on ticking. Ask any person who has wrenched on a bunch of Japanese motors, 4ag's are one of the best built motors to ever come from that country.

Modified by flohtingPoint at 10:19 PM 7/16/2009

you can be positive about it all you want we have the dyno chart from the car it came out of to prove it. and no i have worked with the 4 ag before trust me its not some elite super bullet proof peice of magic after 2 rebuilds the guy who owned the car was done with the 4ag the ka made the car fun and reliable, unlike the 4ag. when he got to the point where he wanted more power we went SR which was still cheaper than another hi comp 4ag would have been, not to mention more reliable

BTW "just a smidge of oil on the dipstick is not even close to bone dry it is normally a little less than 1 qt low

Quote »The KA's torque is nothing to write home about. CA's make more torque 400rpms quicker than a KA and in stock format, CA's feel relatively torqueless.[/quote]and the 4ag is? both of those engines are stump pullers in comparison
Modified by discosteak at 2:12 AM 7/17/2009

[discosteak]

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Modified by discosteak at 2:13 AM 7/17/2009

[flohtingPoint]

you can be positive about it all you want we have the dyno chart from the car it came out of to prove it. and no i have worked with the 4 ag before trust me its not some elite super bullet proof peice of magic after 2 rebuilds the guy who owned the car was done with the 4ag the ka made the car fun and reliable, unlike the 4ag. when he got to the point where he wanted more power we went SR which was still cheaper than another hi comp 4ag would have been, not to mention more reliable

BTW "just a smidge of oil on the dipstick is not even close to bone dry it is normally a little less than 1 qt low

and the 4ag is? both of those engines are stump pullers in comparison

Modified by discosteak at 2:12 AM 7/17/2009

For the fact of not wanting to argue with a fool that thinks a SR and a KA is more reliable than a 4ag, I'll go with "DOOOD YOU'RE TOTALLY RIGHT!!!!!"

Go back to Zilvia where geniuses like you belong.

[discosteak]

For the fact of not wanting to argue with a fool that thinks a SR and a KA is more reliable than a 4ag, I'll go with "DOOOD YOU'RE TOTALLY RIGHT!!!!!"

Go back to Zilvia where geniuses like you belong.

you have the chance to explain yourself so why not? your argument here has no foundation, the 4ag is a slow tourqeless 1.6 liter. unless you have lots of money the motor is never going to make any kind of decent power, even if it did you will brake the transmission behind it.

if you also consider that the 4ag broke something every event. and both the ka and sr have needed nothing but fluid changes than yes i would say that the sr and ka have both been more reliable than the 4ag.

heres another thing the SR does that the 4ag couldnt?

make loads of smoke and leave 400 hp s13's with 250 whp.

so you can go play with junk 4ag's all you want, i wont try to stop you. but dont try to push your elitist views of the 4ag on me we've been there done that and moved on to bigger and better things