ka-t with sds and the emission control of doom!
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bozuzu
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ka-t with sds and the emission control of doom!
my '97 ka24e is registered in phoenix, arizona, home of some of the most stringent, nazi *** emission control laws in the world. eat your heart out socal. some of our guys are protected by the fbi. bribing is a federal offense, i.e. they send the feds after your *** if you look at your wallet the wrong way. anyway,if i get an sds stand alone and do a light turbo on my truck, i can lean it out, get 28 mpg, and have way, way lower emissions than stock. however, i'll never even get to that part, will i? will they even pass a car with stand alone? will they take one look at my awesome turbo setup and call the feds? has anybody tuned the crap out of their car so that it didn't polute, but failed visual anyway? thanks
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that was the point; it was supposed be like a gd harry potter book. try laughing. :cwm27 you fail a visual inspection easily. it goes like this: when your country of residence desides to inspect emission controls, they inspect emission controls. inspecting implies, inspecting. hence, if you remove the emission controls, and they inspect it, you fail.
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yo, im a mass. state vehicle inspector. I work at a dealership so i dont see many/any turbo kits. But anyway, We are suppost to confirm the emission devices with the ones posted under the hood of the car, all cars have them. And basicly its suppost to look stock. Its sketchy to pass illegal stuff around here, the DMV has secret agents.
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bozuzu
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indeed! the rest is beauracratic bullsh*t. but it exists, and i need to to know before i go spending my cash on a turbo system if i'm waisting my time. running a thirteen second quarter at 117 doesn't mean jack sh*t if you can't even register your car!thanks for letting me know though dude. i've heard that massachusets is one of the more hardcore vehicle control states (i.e. cops, insurance, emission, etc.). i noticed that you said if it looks "illegal". that implies law, yes? and laws are available to the public. is that the case? or is just some inspector guy's better judgement that i'm up against? i can retain all of the emission control devices, even though some of them will be rendered useless (especially with stand alone). is stand alone "illegal" then? i'd love to see the laws. . .
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stand alone complete replaces your ecu's engine management system. all emission control devices are on that circuit. the obdII is just a plug into your ecu. once you replace the ecu with sds, it's just a plug with nothing at the other end. maybe sds makes model specific units that can accomodate, but i doubt it.
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update!
well, i found all the emission stuff in arizona you'll ever want to hear about!for the guy moving there, beware, you'll have to do some serious mods or drive around illegaly. check it out:all of the laws can be found at a website,
adeq legislation
and look. here's an example:
G. In addition to an emissions inspection, a vehicle is subject to a tampering inspection on at least a biennial basis if the vehicle was manufactured after the 1974 model year and the vehicle is not subject to a transient loaded emissions test. The director shall adopt vehicle configuration guidelines for the tampering inspection which shall be based on the original configuration of the vehicle when manufactured. The tampering inspection shall consist of the following:1. A visual check to determine the presence of properly installed catalytic converters.2. An examination to determine the presence of an operational air pump.H. In area A, if the vehicle was manufactured after the 1974 model year and is not subject to a transient loaded emissions test, a visual inspection for the presence or malfunction of the positive crankcase ventilation system and the evaporative control system.3. Vehicles required to be inspected shall undergo a functional test of the gas cap to determine if the cap holds pressure within limits prescribed by the director, except for any vehicle that is subject to an evaporative system integrity test.
so, if you're not convinced, call this guy:
Vehicle Aftermarket and Retrofit Devices:John Walls, VEI Section ManagerPhone: (602) 207-7027
this is THE GUY in az to talk to about aftermarket stuff. here's what i told him, and he told me. i told him that i live in oregon, have a '97 pickup with an aftermarket turbo kit and sds stand alone, tuned to get 28 mpg and appr. 30 % less than stock emissions, with a working cat. i told him i want to move to downtown phoenix (where i live).he says, '96 and up vehicles don't even get smog tested, they just run a computer obdII diagnostic. they don't care. if you have sds, obviously your obdII is long gone, so is your emission control devices, so you're best bet is to a) not move here, b) sell your car, or c) call a congressman, or the director of adeq. i'll see you in hell.
so, the verdict is in. if you want to move to phoenix, or already live there, you need to figure out a way to keep all of the emission control devices intact with your aftermarket setup, and the stock ecu, or one that will work obdII (like a jwt). otherwise, the dot will find you and take your money.
adeq legislation
and look. here's an example:
G. In addition to an emissions inspection, a vehicle is subject to a tampering inspection on at least a biennial basis if the vehicle was manufactured after the 1974 model year and the vehicle is not subject to a transient loaded emissions test. The director shall adopt vehicle configuration guidelines for the tampering inspection which shall be based on the original configuration of the vehicle when manufactured. The tampering inspection shall consist of the following:1. A visual check to determine the presence of properly installed catalytic converters.2. An examination to determine the presence of an operational air pump.H. In area A, if the vehicle was manufactured after the 1974 model year and is not subject to a transient loaded emissions test, a visual inspection for the presence or malfunction of the positive crankcase ventilation system and the evaporative control system.3. Vehicles required to be inspected shall undergo a functional test of the gas cap to determine if the cap holds pressure within limits prescribed by the director, except for any vehicle that is subject to an evaporative system integrity test.
so, if you're not convinced, call this guy:
Vehicle Aftermarket and Retrofit Devices:John Walls, VEI Section ManagerPhone: (602) 207-7027
this is THE GUY in az to talk to about aftermarket stuff. here's what i told him, and he told me. i told him that i live in oregon, have a '97 pickup with an aftermarket turbo kit and sds stand alone, tuned to get 28 mpg and appr. 30 % less than stock emissions, with a working cat. i told him i want to move to downtown phoenix (where i live).he says, '96 and up vehicles don't even get smog tested, they just run a computer obdII diagnostic. they don't care. if you have sds, obviously your obdII is long gone, so is your emission control devices, so you're best bet is to a) not move here, b) sell your car, or c) call a congressman, or the director of adeq. i'll see you in hell.
so, the verdict is in. if you want to move to phoenix, or already live there, you need to figure out a way to keep all of the emission control devices intact with your aftermarket setup, and the stock ecu, or one that will work obdII (like a jwt). otherwise, the dot will find you and take your money.