Just some shared info..

[G_whizz]

Recommended cars

http://editorial.autos.msn.com...ports

[Poyzinous]

I dont agree with the Poopwagen Jetta, or the hideously disfigured and overweight Hacura. Everything else seems ok.

[370Z/28]

Way to go G!



Too bad Chevy can't get some quality into a Vette. Sure is a nice looking, hot sounding car. Too bad they are such a POS.

[Poyzinous]

Too bad Chevy can't get some quality into a Vette. Sure is a nice looking, hot sounding car. Too bad they are such a POS.

You shouldn't have said that. Now perry is gonna come bite your face off. Like in face off.

[SVTCOBRA]

Love the look of the vette!!! It's just that once you open the door, it's like WTF!!! Save some $$$ for the interior!!!

Didn't see my beloved MUSTANG on that list, so I know it's bogus!!!

[370Z/28]

You shouldn't have said that. Now perry is gonna come bite your face off. Like in face off.

He can hit me with his best shot. I paid $45k for one of those POS. Something was always broken on it.

[Poyzinous]

Love the look of the vette!!! It's just that once you open the door, it's like WTF!!! Save some $$$ for the interior!!!

Didn't see my beloved MUSTANG on that list, so I know it's bogus!!!

The same could be said about all american brand cars, although the new mustang is much improved. If they continue to improve, Ford should have caught up to the Japs in 3 or 4 more years.

[pfarmer]

He can hit me with his best shot. I paid $45k for one of those POS. Something was always broken on it.

Sounds like my Infiniti which has 10 pages of repairs done so far with 14,500 mile on it. Has been out of service for 16 days since March.

The comparison however is in bang for the buck in regard to performance. Looking at posts in this forum indicates major issues if you try to push the Infiniti into the performance range of the Vette. I would not hesitate for a minute in stating that at the same performance level the Vette would be far more reliable than the Infiniti at the same level.

As far as interior goes right now the piping on my drivers seat is wearing heavily. The doors buzz with high levels on the Bose. As far as exterior the paint is way too soft compared to almost any other car. Since 05 the major issues reported by vette owners seem to revolve around some body issues including soft paint which is rock hard compared to what is on the Infiniti. Some problems with some autos have been reported in 05 which appear to have been fixed starting with the 6 speed in 06. The engines seem to be reliable and the best thing is you can actually get at most of the components. Yep there are some issues with it but at the same performance level it is far more reliable than the Infiniti.

When I can trust to take my Infiniti with 14,500 miles to work instead of my ultra reliable 300 m with 150,000 miles on it will be when I will call it reliable and then and only then could I recommend it on its other attributes which while impressive are only so when you can actually energize them.

At the present time of the 40 plus cars I have owned from those manufactured up to 56 years ago including AMC, Chyslers, Fords, Chevys, Sunbeams, Toyotas, Volkswagen and one or two others, it has proved to be the least reliable of the bunch.

Perry

[SVTCOBRA]

Even tho I love my G's, I have to agree with Perry on the Nissan/Infiniti reliability issue.

My G's and Pathy's have been much less reliable than any of my Taurus's, Exploders or Rustangs.

Also, my wife's sedan engine has been cracked open TWICE in less than 34K miles. Something my Furd's never had done while I owned then.

[370Z/28]

Perry....I'm not arguing with ya Bud. If you look at my avatar, I think you can make out the Z28 sitting next to my G. I think that was one of the last good cars that rolled off GM's assy line. I have hardly ever had a problem with that car and most of the ones I have had were self inflicted. I probably have $7k in mods on that car (performance wise) including a Powerdyne 4.5 psi supercharger. I paid $20k for the car. Got a good deal because it had been on the lot for a year. So, for basically $27k I have a car that will burn the rubber off the tires, and I can barely keep it from chirping 2nd gear (A4). That is why I can't make myself part with it.

We had a bad run of GM products. At one time in my driveway was my '95 Z, 99 Vette, 01 WS6 Trans Am and a 99 Grand Am. Except for the Z, we were constantly dealing with paint bubbling, power window motors going out (4 on the Vette), and a whole myriad of just cheap crap breaking. We have bought nothing but Ford, Honda and Infiniti since. Sorry GM...I gave you my best shot.

I'm sorry you have had so much trouble with your Infiniti. So far, except for the fact I don't like the way the transmission shifts (My bad...I should have gotten a stick) My car has been trouble free. I don't drive many miles, so I'm hoping the car will be under warrantee my whole ownership.

I didn't mean to bash your Vette. They are super cars.

[pfarmer]

Perry....I'm not arguing with ya Bud.

I didn't mean to bash your Vette. They are super cars.

I don't have the vette, but I am strongly leaning that way. The point is that I can basically have one straight across now and from what I see most of its failings can be easily fixed. In fact I believe I would be better off with a slightly downgraded model of the same one I was looking at. The biggest item I would change would be the audio system. Not that it wasn't good enough, just that it is not up to what we have in the way of hard drive, built in iPod, or built in blutooth. Also from what I have seen this is a very easy car to change that part of the equation. I find the dash as good and from features better than ours. I state this since in the way of information regarding actual temperatures you have more information available. The HUD display is useful.

I had no real issues with the seats other than they certainly do not have the adjustments we have, but then they are not wearing like mine are in the 'G'. In various reviews on the 09 they are actually getting points for being good seats so maybe even in house upgrade would be the way to go. And best of all the rest of the package didn't go to Baden for interior materials.

I am also looking at various Mercedes models, leaning toward a slight used one including a CS 500. The big negative I see here is that of performance. You have to step back a few more years than I really wanted to in order to come out decently when it comes to the bank account. Then there is BMW including the 3 series D. But that takes me a little over budget which hopefully will change in the next 6 months or so. I have a lot of money in the bank, just can touch any but a month sum for the next couple of years.

So right now if I make the move it really is probably setting up for my next move in a couple of years.

Perry

[370Z/28]

Got'cha!

[Sentientbydesign]

A few words for thought...

Infinitis were more reliable when they didn't have such high production numbers.

I've had 3 issues with my G in the past 23k miles:

Clutch 3rd one in 70k miles (1st two were probably beaten to hell by first owner) Fluid is easily contaminated and looses pressure

Rev-up engine Consumes oil They replaced my engine, but it still eats oil

Seat wiggled, was TSBed, then a weld broke (probably from me dropping into my seat too often- I'm 6'3)

[Poyzinous]

My G's and Pathy's have been much less reliable than any of my Taurus's, Exploders or Rustangs.

reliable taurus/ exploder??? thats like an oxymoron. before I moved to infiniti I had 10 times more issues with those taurus/exploders than with maximas, camrys, accords, even intrepids, and In my experience, Pathfinders have been bulletproof. My father's has 4 years and 60,000 miles with not one issue but a vdc reprogram that was a tsb or voluntary recall. 3 neighbors of mine have pathfinders that have gone 400,000 and 250,000 miles relatively trouble free. One of our techs pushed his 2001 pathfinder to 180,000 and only had one issue ever. A $50 vtc sensor. My uncle's 99 pathy has gone the last 10 years with only insignificant issues that come with age/mileage. Maybe you've just had bad luck... For some reason every nissan product my brother has turns into a turd. The sentra? 175,000 rock steady. 2 months after he gets it? Poop. The 240? 40,000 miles by my dad trouble free. He gets it? stolen/wrecked/abducted/suspended license. The other 240? 80,000 miles the previous owner with no issues, but for a sensor and trunk wire break. He gets it? uuugh. Blown radiator, tach don't work, steering rack funky, trans shifting hard, flux capacitor discharging delta neutrons... If I sell him my G some day, it will probably disintegrate into a pile of steel and leather and plastic and alumin(i)um and radioactive waste I still have yet to alert the government to. Sorry for the rant...

[SVTCOBRA]

Just my experience. Both Pathy's had sensors go bad including o2's and cam shaft pos.

I did not keep any of my cars much past 100K, probably never will, but yes, had fewer problems with my Fords. Now, I did love the Pathy's, Max, and 240SX.

However, now that my 05 is approaching the end of it's bumper to bumper, I'm pretty sure that I'll be getting an extended warranty based on the troubles that I've experienced with Nissan/Infiniti.I really didn't expect to be doing that!!! Since I never bought them with my Fords and didn't need them.

Note that I'm not bashing Nissan/Infiniti, I'm just very disappointed in their reliability!!! Oh, and you have to remember that the fact that my sedan was in the shop for 1 full month for the third time for the same thing is still very fresh in my mind.


Modified by SVTCOBRA at 11:47 PM 7/10/2009

[pfarmer]

Just my experience. Both Pathy's had sensors go bad including o2's and cam shaft pos.

I did not keep any of my cars much past 100K, probably never will, but yes, had fewer problems with my Fords. Now, I did love the Pathy's, Max, and 240SX.

However, now that my 05 is approaching the end of it's bumper to bumper, I'm pretty sure that I'll be getting an extended warranty based on the troubles that I've experienced with Nissan/Infiniti.I really didn't expect to be doing that!!! Since I never bought them with my Fords and didn't need them.

Note that I'm not bashing Nissan/Infiniti, I'm just very disappointed in their reliability!!! Oh, and you have to remember that the fact that my sedan was in the shop for 1 full month for the third time for the same thing is still very fresh in my mind.

Modified by SVTCOBRA at 11:47 PM 7/10/2009

Since March:

In 3/18/2009 Given a loaner.

Out 3/20/2009

In 4/13/2009 IPDM taken from another car due to not be able to get a loaner.

Out 4/13/2009

Would not start 4/14/2009 and then started.

Would not start 6/04/2009

In 6/05/2009

Out 6-17-2009

Now the real kicker - less than 8 hours of time charged to work on the car, car out of service 16 days with them being in possession for 15 days.

Twice during this sequence the car was damaged. One when they dented and scratched the trim plate around the shifter, the other when both front mud guards were damaged apparently by the tow truck. The first time was a scuffed front bumper which I polished out myself after waiting all day only to find some of the work under warrranty was not done and had to wait another hour for it to be completed after I refused to accept it.

It has failed to start (on the first try) twice since June 16th (last time July 1st) with no codes tossed. The last time it may have been the key not recognized with the key symbol showing even after it started until the car was put in gear. I don't know this since another issue that has cropped up during these times was the steering lock not locking, once tossing a code which showed up on the second time in the shop on April 13th when the IPDM was replaced. Personally I think I am looking at a cable issue (I have a good reason to believe this, not simply a guess) which is being danced around. I don't believe the IPDM had anything to do with any of this (with the exception of cable involvement) and the BCM may in fact had bit the dust.

Here is one issue. Would I drive this car to California from Washington like it is. The answer is no. If this situation had happen in California with the same issues getting it fixed, I would be out of a job for unexcused absence. Would I drive my 300 m to California? Good question. It has never let me down (will probably die tomorrow) and I am fairly sure it would not have any issues even though it is starting to pick up some miles and needs at least some love in the way of plugs if nothing else. I am at about 149,750 on its odometer. Total time in the shop including a timing belt replacement with waterpump, brakes with suspension part replacement, since I purchased at 62k miles - 3 days. 1 day of that was for bad install on the radiator drain plug which I understand is harder than it sounds. None of this was warranty work. Loaner car provided from rental company for the timing belt replacement due to the leaking drain plug.

So what is wrong with this picture?

Perry