Just learning manual, questions.

[Joesph R Cooper]

Well,

I learned manual on my dad's Jeep, and when im in first and ease off the clutch i dont even have to hit the gas, i was told all cars are like that.......but my 240 doesnt seem to want to do that. Is it because of a cold engine? My throttle sticks, and its just agrevating. idk i have to give it some good gas before it starts to roll, like 2k rpms

[achikennugget38]

i just learned standard too i learned in a prelude though the thing is that the jeep is probably lighter than the 240 i guess that cuz i also did the came thing in a 08 civic but i figured that the prelude was lighter than it

[jeff420]

i can make my 240, 03 dakota, 00 f150, my 86 civic, and my 86 crx move in first without giving it gas. if you have a lightweight fywheel that might make it more difficult.

[Biggamehit]

its has nothing to do with a cold engine OP.. you should not be reving to 2k... if you are doing that.. im willing to bet you are also riding the clutch.

you have just learned how to operate a manual vehicle. knowing how to drive one is different.. we all have different learning curves.. just get out and learn it. Now if there is something mechanically wrong with your car... well then that is another issue and you would have to provide us with more info so that we could help you.

another thing is..... the jeep and the 240 im am sure have different engagement points. You being new to this doesnt allow you to feel the car out quickly. Many of us here can jump into any manual automobile and operate it smoothly even a car with a hi performance clutch.

hope this helps you.

[S13Teddy]

I learned how to drive manual very quickly and easily.

1. Start car2. Clutch in3. Put in 1st4. Turn wheel hard 5. Rev to 6k6. Let go of clutch as quickly as possible.

[Biggamehit]

HEY!!!!!!!!!

thats ingredients for starting dougnuts HAHAHAHAH

[jeff420]

heh, try driving a vw passat w8 with a 6 speed and awd. that thing stalls so friggen easy. i end up stalling at least once every time i drive that car. its fun though

[Joesph R Cooper]

Actually the jeep and 240 are damn near the same. oh, btw comp stage 2 clutch&flywheel.

[jeff420]

then theres your answer. you got a lightweight flywheel huh.

[Ghast]

You did not ask for my advice but i am going to give it to you ^^.

Don't look at the RPM's. If you know the basics of how it pretty much works then just try to FEEL everything out next time.

Get in the car.Take a deep breath.Turn it on.And FEEL everything out.Make every move with confidence.Enjoy your car ^^.

Hope this helps.

One Love,

Ghasty

[mRodiek]

I learned how to drive manual very quickly and easily.

1. Start car2. Clutch in3. Put in 1st4. Turn wheel hard 5. Rev to 6k6. Let go of clutch as quickly as possible.

simply badass

You did not ask for my advice but i am going to give it to you ^^.

Don't look at the RPM's. If you know the basics of how it pretty much works then just try to FEEL everything out next time.

Get in the car.Take a deep breath.Turn it on.And FEEL everything out.Make every move with confidence.Enjoy your car ^^.

Hope this helps.

One Love,

Ghasty

once youve got the feel for things...it will all fall into place!

[Biggamehit]

UHM hmm.... the next thing you will work on is rev-matching just by hearing the engine.. i never look at the tach.

I know mechanically the jeep and 240 are the same.. however.. engagement points means the point at witch friction is generated by the clutch via the amount of pressure you have on the pedal. this varies with adjustments and clutch dampers.

good times

[Conquerer]

Give it some gas, nice and steady, and definitely not too much, and smoothly let off the clutch and you'll accelerate, slowly depressing the gas pedal more as the clutch grabs.

When first getting used to it you may be burning the clutch quite a bit doing this (to avoid this, try to let out the clutch more quickly, but still smoothly, so you're not accelerating with it) but you won't stall nearly as much if you give it a decent amount of gas first (yet not too much of course; you barely need any actual power to accelerate). Once you get a good feel of the car you'll get better at it and you'll be able to do it much more quickly.

Just remember to always be smooth with your left foot on the clutch. And if you hear the engine starting to die, just quickly depress the clutch and the brake and try again. Better than to be pressured into trying to save it and then stalling it from not knowing what to do or just ramming the gas to save the stall.

Just be calm and relaxed and you'll get the feeling. I remember I practiced at first in my dad's Camaro and I was all right and I wouldn't stall it, but I was usually letting the clutch out too much out first without enough gas and nearly killing the engine or sometimes having it make odd sounds. My dad loves the car so I guess it's natural he didn't like that lol (although he didn't get angry or anything), but it was still just kind of awkward for me with him there. Then I got my car and took it for a drive myself and I had no problems at all and it was easy for me and so fun as well.

Having someone teach you the basics of manual is fine, but I think it really helps if you just do it yourself from then on. If you already know how to drive you should be fine. Go to a low-traffic area and practice. Try not to get nervous and keep trying. Seriously, one of the biggest keys is to be relaxed. Over time, you'll get it.

[Biggamehit]

and then comes the hill lol

jk good advice

you will be fine bro, as stated above.. once you get out in the open alone with brittany spears or whatever you listen to playing, it will become second nature.

[AZ89two4Tsx]

heh, try driving a vw passat w8 with a 6 speed and awd. that thing stalls so friggen easy. i end up stalling at least once every time i drive that car. its fun though

Actually, smaller displacement motors tend to stall more easily because they usually don't have as much low end torque to get them through that first "release." It would actually be much easier to take off in something with lets say a w8 than an inline 4.

[Conquerer]

lol true.

Just stay away from hills to begin with. At least real sloped ones. They'll just piss you off and you'll give way too much gas and probably peel off, if you don't stall it first. The idea is to be smooth and gentle at first when learning manual, and hills really do not allow you to do that... at all.

Deal with the flat road first then go to hills. It should be a hell of a lot easier then, and after some practice you'll never have a problem with hills again, unless you just have some bad luck or something.
Modified by Conquerer at 12:32 AM 12/18/2008

[jeff420]

then fly down here and drive my 240sx and drive my dads passat. its a 4 liter. i can drive my 240 allllll day long and not stall. not the passat. its awd so doing a burnout isnt an option, lol. guess you would have to drive one to understand. everyone who has driven my dads passat says the same thing. its got a funky clutch. if your lucky enough to find a 6 speed passat w8 (there arent that many, most were auto) take it for a test drive and you'll know what im talking bout. ive driven many many standard cars so im not inexperienced

ive also put 5k miles on a vw r32. i believe i had problems stalling that one too, but not as bad as the w8.... it was awd and 6 speed too......

[Ghast]

A little trick that i sometimes use that i am NOT ashamed of as i am still learning because i don't drive my s13 everyday. My little brother taught me this...

When you are on a steep hill.Some people are very inconsiderate and will ride your butt hardcore.if you are scared and lose confidence before accelerating LIGHTLY pull up on theparking break with the button pressed in and do your normal routine and then as soon as you start letting out on the clutch completely well a little bit before ( this is not easy to explain it is better to just feel it out as well haha ) slowly let the parking break down and you will not have rolled back at all.

Remember to keep the button pressed in.

Does anyone else know of this method or if it can cause any damage at all?( of course do not try to let the car pull and hold the hand brake, well that would be contradicting what i just said....)

This probably did not help, someone care to explain better?

^^ Ghasty

[jeff420]

yeah its ok to use the ebrake on a hill if your not l33t enough. lol. once you master the hills its fun to mess with the people who get all up in your *** on hills. its funny to roll back and see the look on their faces as they shove their car in reverse

[Biggamehit]

yes you could do that...

on a steep hill i just heel-toe it... no rocking back at all.

[DruidAT]

I learned how to drive manual very quickly and easily.

1. Start car2. Clutch in3. Put in 1st4. Turn wheel hard 5. Rev to 6k6. Let go of clutch as quickly as possible.

That's how I learned.

Anyway, OP, something's up with your clutch if you have to give it 2k rpm to make it move. I don't have to give it gas at all. You just need to find the right threshold on your clutch.

EDIT: Unless you have bad master/slave cylinders/bad lines and you're riding the clutch.

[jeff420]

That's how I learned.

Anyway, OP, something's up with your clutch if you have to give it 2k rpm to make it move. I don't have to give it gas at all. You just need to find the right threshold on your clutch.

pretty sure the reason he's having to rev so hi is he has a lightweight flywheel. he just needs to get used to it

[Biggamehit]

i have an 11lbs flywheel in my 240.. i take off easily everytime and i never ever exceed 1300ish rpms.

[DruidAT]

I have a fidanza lightweight flywheel and stage 2 exedy clutch. i can still do it.

[Ghast]

yes you could do that...

on a steep hill i just heel-toe it... no rocking back at all.

How long does it take to learn that method? Don't you have to twist your leg/ankle 90 degrees to accomplish this?

[DruidAT]

It doesn't take too long if you are comfortable with your feet. When I have my foot on the brake, I just leave my toe on it and pivot my heel on the throttle lightly then release my toe slowly while giving gas. But you also have to coordinate your clutch foot while you're doing this to RPM match.

[Biggamehit]

not at all sir Ghast

in a USDM s13 the trans tunnel prevents you from doing a full out heel-toe if you have anything over a size 9 1/2 shoe lol. so its more like sole-toe lol.

its the method you explained with the handbrake, im just doing it with my foot.

im partially on the brake while giving gas and allowing the clutch to engage with my left foot.

Edit: also what Druid said also

[DruidAT]

Or when you're on your hill, you can leave your foot on the brake while clutching right before the threshold then quickly swap. You'll only roll about 2 inches this way if any at all if you're fast enough.

[jeff420]

i have an 11lbs flywheel in my 240.. i take off easily everytime and i never ever exceed 1300ish rpms.

yes but you also know how to drive a standard fairly well from what you have led me to believe, the op isnt very experienced from what he's led me to believe. its known that a lightweight flywheel will make it easier to stall, theres even a thread on it somewhere by 480sx i believe.

[Biggamehit]

Quote »Or when you're on your hill, you can leave your foot on the brake while clutching right before the threshold then quickly swap. You'll only roll about 2 inches this way if any at all if you're fast enough.[/quote]that is true.. only thing about that is.... the Throwout Bearing.... you dont want to put more rotations on that thing than what is needed.