just got 240 and eager to drift some pointers?

[paintballpro69]

i jsut got my 240 and i loev drifting but i wanan know some tips on executing a drift ive seen soem videos with tips and **** and have an idea down but it doesnt work all too perfect so im wondering what i should get for my car to make it a better drifter and some tips on how to do it..

my car is a:black nissan 240sx 89 fastbackmanual 5 speed146,000 miles on itfull racing exhaust no cat17" 5zigen rims ngk wiressuspension not sure what it is but by looking its got aftermarket suspensionhks supermegaflow intake system

[574-240sx]

I would start in a open parking lot and have some fun. You probably have a open diff thats good for practice until you get a LSD. First thing you should concider buying is a LSD or stock VLSD. Also you might want to concider some oem alloy or smaller rims concidering the kind of power a pretty much stock KA24E is putting down. Also check your car before you go out and have some fun. Check ball joint, tie rods, make sure your car is not rusted out, tires, and etc. Have some fun and keep it safe.

Nick

[paintballpro69]

thanks, im readind about this whole lsd vlsd thign right now on some of the forums. where should i go about gettign this? how much is it? and how hard to install?

[574-240sx]

Which OEM VLSD works and why http://www.ka24development.com/vlsd.html

How to install http://www.zilvia.net/installs/lsd/lsdswap.asp

It is very easy to install.

[paintballpro69]

how much? link to get one? or should i jsut search on here? thansk a lot bro

[crazymax]

Check your car for any weak spots like rust or any leaks,get some smaller (stock)wheels and find a decent parking lot to have fun and practice some J-turns maybe...have you found out what suspension you have??any car pics?

[paintballpro69]

no i havtn foudn out the suspension, my friend with the camera is out of town he get back tonight so tommorow afternoon i should have some pics up. will these rims not work for drifting?

[IlIkEmYz]

if your drifting then change your oil every 2000 miles. also check that you car is working to factory specs... good amount of fluids, oils, replace your tie rod... cause the bushing is definately busted... make sure the battery is tied down tight.

as for skill go to as many track/ practice events and watch a lot of drift bible.

some of my favorite techniques include feint--- weight shifting and braking before you turn... that brings the back weight to the front and make the end easier to slide... it also give the front more control in the drift...

have fun and watch out for them curbs.

[paintballpro69]

thanks, what u mean my tie rod bushing is definently busteD? what makes u think that?

[Chingon]

age of car..

[paintballpro69]

alright thanks

[BuudWeizErr]

just get an lsd.

don't be stupid. just get one.

[paintballpro69]

im gonna get one once i find one.. i also read on here about a welded close differential.. do u suggest that for the mean time while searching for a lsd?

[paintballpro69]

i got the car pics today. messed around in someparking lots too no pisc though will soon have pics up of drifting or w/e u wanna call it. http://www.cardomain.com/id/paintball_pro_69

[hamsterball]

go to the junkyard... pick up 4 steelies with tires (doesn't matter how much tread left)..4x114.3 15'' 4-lug

put those on the car and go practice. the 17'' wheels will make it harder to practice on..

and don't get an LSD or VLSD yet.. unless you're used to the car sliding, losing traction.. don't even get one.unless if you stock open diff is f'd up, then you might as well go ahead and learn on a VLSD.usually you have to re-learn **** after you install the VLSD, because the car's much more slippier.. so you don't have to wait for one, if you already are comfortable with the car sliding around easily.

for me, i'm not really too comfortable yet. when i'm running in touge/canyons/passes and the rear slides out, i don't naturally feel calm (even if i can let off the gas until the tires catch again).. so i myself will not be getting VLSD till i'm ready.

have fun and be safe.

[paintballpro69]

thanks man. ya i went drifting around yesterday and im just getting used to it. im going tommorow and friday too. its fun as hell we found this pimp parking lot that connects to itsself all the way around and l\its setup kind alike a track its so tight. ill get some pics. till then thanks and ttyl

[BuudWeizErr]

this is what pisses me off about the whole open diff powersliding vs real lsd drifting arguments.

If you want to practice 'drifting' on an open diff, 'just to get a feel for it,' when you get a real diff, you will have to relearn EVERYTHING. God, just get a real diff to start with, at least a god damn VLSD so you don't have to learn things twice. What is the point of learning how to powerslide, then after that learning how to drift. it's pointless.

[paintballpro69]

whats the difference between a vlsd and lsd in both price and performance.. also should i jstu weld this one closed? i read some people do that

[BuudWeizErr]

search and make up your own mind.

just get something that locks, for the love of all things holy.

[paintballpro69]

lol alright i love your attirude its ****in dominant. anyway if i weld it can i put in a REAL lsd later just for now.. im buying seats, harnesses and rebuilding and turboing the engien right now so money saving temporarily is always good. should i do that for now and woul di be able to put the lsd in later. also any link to how to weld it closed? thanks

[hamsterball]

this is what pisses me off about the whole open diff powersliding vs real lsd drifting arguments.

If you want to practice 'drifting' on an open diff, 'just to get a feel for it,' when you get a real diff, you will have to relearn EVERYTHING. God, just get a real diff to start with, at least a god damn VLSD so you don't have to learn things twice. What is the point of learning how to powerslide, then after that learning how to drift. it's pointless.

I already mentioned that you basically have to learn your new VLSD when you install it.

Even if that's true, I still don't think you get my point. Let's say the guy just started driving, or maybe this is his first rear wheel drive car. Of course he's not going to be used to the nature and tendencies of the car.

Let's say the guy is starting out by doing grip runs on passes.. I don't know about you, but even if I knew all the outsider information of drifting/powersliding/countersteering and what not, every time my car's rear wheels broke loose when I was first doing grip runs, it threw me off and startled me. I have open diff.

Drifting takes learning, and even if you have to re-learn the nature of your car when you install VLSD, that's what it's all about. Learning.. and time.

The whole point of keeping your open differential is if you are in the situation as described above. You don't know the tendencies of a Rear wheel drive car, and/or you are not fully comfortable/used to them.Meaning, even if you know what's going to happen when you trail brake in the beginning of a corner, and know that when the rear slides out you have to turn the wheel the opposite way while keeping on the gas, it doesn't mean you will successfully be able to straighten out.

Stock open differential, stock suspensionless cars, are a tool for learning THE BASICS.How the car feels when your rear tires break loose, the basics of countersteering, sliding around (even if you won't be sliding for long when you're on an open diff).

Although, both types of differentials are veeeeeeery different. I know for a fact that the open diff on my car tends to catch sometimes, cauising my tires to grip at unwanted moments, and that you don't know how long the drift will last because of these sudden tendencies..

Now to recap, he should keep the open diff (FOR AT LEAST A SHORT TIME) before he moves to a VLSD or ATS Deftforce LSD or something..just so he can get used to the car sliding around..

Now, technically, he can immediately install a VLSD and learn all these things..but it's more dangerous (on grip runs) for a beginner to have the tendencies of a VLSD without having BASIC knowledge of the movements of the car.It's going to be a hell of a lot slippier, and you would have to be aware of the BASIC tendencies and USED TO the correct reactions to these tendencies when you're up there.

However, if he's just going to be safely practicing drifting, not doing any mountain pass grip runs, and strictly drift in biiig open parking lots and drift events... then it would be wise to install LSD/VLSD whenever he can because he will be in safe, open fields/situations for learning.

The reason I'm pushing for keeping the open diff, is so that he can go to mountain passes and do grip runs. It's a good experience and believe me you can learn a lot up there..

Anyways... i have to go out now. bye.

[BuudWeizErr]

lol alright i love your attirude its ****in dominant. anyway if i weld it can i put in a REAL lsd later just for now.. im buying seats, harnesses and rebuilding and turboing the engien right now so money saving temporarily is always good. should i do that for now and woul di be able to put the lsd in later. also any link to how to weld it closed? thanks

I'm not being a prick, just vlsd vs kaaz/nismo/cusco/ats/ whatever has been gone over a billion times on the forums, and I just don't feel like reiterating the differences right now. welding a diff, I don't know, i've never researched it. You'd probably have to search on zilvia or FA for info.

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vlsd is more dangerous on grip runs than an open diff?

have you ever seen an open diff car, gripping through a turn start burning up the inside tire on accelleration? I have. A loaded outside tire means less weight over the inside tire, which in an open diff car lets the diffrential divert all power to the wheel with no traction. A sudden power loss, then right back to grip on one wheel sounds a lot more dangerous, especially on a mountain/canyon than a viscously locking diff that might give you a little bit of oversteer if you overdo it. However, if you let off the gas on a VLSD, you will almost definitely lose the slide. A 2 way, not quite so much, a 2 way can keep sliding even on decel.

a beginner shouldn't be pushing a car to the level that an open diff vs locking diff would make a life or death difference. It's not like you're going out and buying a 240SX and then immediately competing in a JGTC race.

I'm saying learning with an open diff is a waste of time. open diff is fine for your mom to go pick up groceries and pick your brother up from soccer. any car that goes through any sort of performance driving needs some semblance of a locking diff. viscous, helical, mechanical, whatever.

[Grip Gambler]

WORD!! this dicusssion sould end here

[paintballpro69]

u should be quiet^ thanks for the info i needed it. i know to get one if plan o n relaly drifting because a) its safer b) actual drift c) more predictible d) what the pros use.. haha

[paintballpro69]

also on welding it i realized everyturn sharp or not ill jsut be sqealing those tires out

[l3ooherS14]

Whatever you do dont go out there and start pulling the e-brake left and right on public roads. Try finding a parking lot that isnt around to many roads, people, or any crap like that. Just practice turning into corners and gasing the way out of the corner. Practice pulling the e-brake and just have fun. Set you up some cons and give it hell, just be careful out there. You can get hurt or even worse, you can hurt your car. Good luck,

[paintballpro69]

e-brake drifting... ghey i want to do some speeding momentum drifting with crazy shifting and **** none of that ebrake stuff.. no skill really.. plus im in minnesota thats what winters are for..

thanks for your advice though. i found a perfect parking lot abondned at night its huge and circles around itsself adn is liek wide enough for 4 cars to be on it same direction.. perfect for driftign and racing friends.. even has like loadign dock areas that are turn offs and go back on the road w/o hills.. its awesome ill get some video footage or pics for you guys tommorow/friday

[Grip Gambler]

e-brake drifting... ghey i want to do some speeding momentum drifting with crazy shifting and **** none of that ebrake stuff.. no skill really.. plus im in minnesota thats what winters are for..

thanks for your advice though. i found a perfect parking lot abondned at night its huge and circles around itsself adn is liek wide enough for 4 cars to be on it same direction.. perfect for driftign and racing friends.. even has like loadign dock areas that are turn offs and go back on the road w/o hills.. its awesome ill get some video footage or pics for you guys tommorow/friday

u need to craw before u walk, so get used to the idea that your gonna have to use it at some point. All you'll end up doing is holding your self back, properly executed choku-dori's are hard as ****. If its so easy to you start drifting your car 100 yards before a corner, with out catchin grip. Ive seen Bai and Kuroi do that **** on the street like crazy, and its nuthin but pure e-break.

[paintballpro69]

so your sayign learn how to ebrake drift before i do the real thing? ok i will.. also your saying that really good drifters also use this technique of ebrake drifting.. if thats the case then why does everyone tell me to get a lsd if my tires aernt even gonna be spinning because i locked them up by pulling the ebrake? or are u saying use the ebrake to get into a drift position and drop it out and keep them tires spinnin? sorry im not trying to sound like a d!ck im j/w what your refferign to the power slide out e-brake "drift" or an actual drift or someother thing. thanks

[Grip Gambler]

im in the midwest so out here there isnt much experience, but what ive told countless people at events is always the same, dont break every single part down and look for flaws instantely. Just do it as best as u can and go from there, throwing a car around isnt exactly gonna feel natural, and im sure you'll get all cought up in the steering wheel , gears and pedals. E-break drifting is real drifting, its a very good technique and it can be easy to first understand because of its progressive breakaway, but to use it the way pro's do isnt gonna come overnight. start watching amature drifting and ease off the D1 stuff, im sure u wanna go out and do that but hell there is footage of those guys sucking *** and spinning and crashing 10 years ago with goofy looking clothes and big hair. It takes time, just go and do it talk to guys in your local area, i know 2 guys out there, and i can say for a fact that are some of the best drifters in the midwest. Open Diff sucks we all know that but haveing it gives u few options, you can either drive alot faster, or wait till it rains.
Modified by Grip Gambler at 4:04 PM 10/21/2004