Jim Wolf ECUs?

[stopatnothing]

Anyone had any bad experiences with the company or their products? Looking to get one of their ECUs for a redtop with a T3/T4, 264/264, 550s (i know, kinda small). Or if someone has any experience with a similar setup, what ECU are you running or would you recommend?

[shift_SRDETuser]

Anyone had any bad experiences with the company or their products? Looking to get one of their ECUs for a redtop with a T3/T4, 264/264, 550s (i know, kinda small). Or if someone has any experience with a similar setup, what ECU are you running or would you recommend?

Buy a Power FC, AEM or Haltech and call it a day....

[Hijacker]

JWT is one of the best in the industry. If you want plug and play, you really can't go wrong with them IMO.

[stopatnothing]

Thanks to both of you, even though the advice was virtually opposite hah

Hijacker: Thanks, just didn't wanna blow 600 bucks on a POS.

[idahotuner]

mine will be tuned for them. sr22 9to1 compression, 264 cams, greddy intake, and t25. plus 440 injectors and z32 Maf.. a pretty complicated setto tun for just usinga program. specially since this will be the motor break in process.

[kentuckyslider]

I ran the JWT 72lb/750cc inj rom tune with the cobra MAF for over 2years and it always ran perfect. Had a ngk afx wideband and always read between 11.2 and 11.8 at 20plus psi and 350-400 whp on the dyno with a nice fat tq curve. I did use a safc II for fine tuning when I changed from the GT2871r to the GT30R and started running up over 25psi. Car made 345whp and 350 tq with oem cams and intake and 411whp and 340tq with cams intake and GT30R, Both on 93 pump with no changes n the tune at all. Base FPR at 42.5 psi. JWT is the only tuning option I would ever use if all I wanted was a nice reliable street car capable of 400+whp.

Myself, IDaho, and smokin aces have all made over 400whp with a JWT rom tune and they are very reliable. Some ka-t's have made over 500whp with my same tune with a bigger turbo.
Modified by kentuckyslider at 5:02 PM 12/15/2009

[kentuckyslider]

mine will be tuned for them. sr22 9to1 compression, 264 cams, greddy intake, and t25. plus 440 injectors and z32 Maf.. a pretty complicated setto tun for just usinga program. specially since this will be the motor break in process.

What turbo and injectors are you going with after you get ride of that weak s***?? Even ona 2.2l I wouldn't ever go over the BWS259 on a sr. 30psi and it would spool like hell and make over 500whp.

[idahotuner]

What turbo and injectors are you going with after you get ride of that weak s***?? Even ona 2.2l I wouldn't ever go over the BWS259 on a sr. 30psi and it would spool like hell and make over 500whp.

going to use mazworx gt3076 kit and 1000cc injectos. running 15-25 on pump gas hopefully and 30-33 on race fuel.

http://www.mazworx.com/index.p...c=230

damn it mazworx just got a stroker for sr making it a 91 mm stroke over and 86. i think i need to do an other mazworx build and make a 2.5 liter sr. maybe in a kouki s14

[kentuckyslider]

Try the S259 BW turbo. It should out shine the GT30R at 30+ psi on race gas or e85. Unless you get the FP3076HTA. The regular GT30r runs out of steam at about 28psi. Spend $1700 on the Fp3076HTA or $1100 on the S259 TS??? I've seen the FP30 trap 132-133 in my buddies dsm but you won't get close to that out of the regular one.

[idahotuner]

the race gas tunes arnt such a big deal to me. i have been looking at the BW turbos. but i want to makea solid 450 to the wheels on pump gas. witha good spool time. like full boost before 4000 rpms

[kentuckyslider]

the race gas tunes arnt such a big deal to me. i have been looking at the BW turbos. but i want to makea solid 450 to the wheels on pump gas. witha good spool time. like full boost before 4000 rpms

450 on pump and spool by 4k rpm. Full race will tell you themselves that there 3071r TS setup is the only one out that will do that. Then that leaves no room for race gas because the 3071 is out of steam at 450whp. I know what you're thinking, but I highly doubt the 2.2L will spool a 30R that much quicker. I'd do the 3071R and meet your goal or go big with the S259 and be able to flow 37psi before it chokes out and make around 600whp on race gas. You're talking 400rpm of spool for 150whp more up top.

[idahotuner]

yeah thats why i was thinking gt3076 t3 flanged .63a/r

but i like the looks of that turbo the s259 i saw some evo 2 liter graphs that looked sick. but the gt3071 is an option too

[kentuckyslider]

Sorry about the thread jack.

Idaho,

I've been thinking a little about your turbo choice and I spoke with my tuner about it and he said do the BW S256 with the .55ar T3 housing if you are going to get a BW. Should make 450 on pump gas and spool by 4000.

If I were you I would consider the new P T&E HP billet lineup. They are the best performing T3 turbos out right now. Here is a link to some good prices on them. I would do the HP5557 or the HP5857 with the .63 ar hot side for your goals. For $899 and rebuildable the GT30r just can't compete.

http://www.extremepsi.com/stor...=1652

[codyace]

the race gas tunes arnt such a big deal to me. i have been looking at the BW turbos. but i want to makea solid 450 to the wheels on pump gas. witha good spool time. like full boost before 4000 rpms

That's asking for for quite a bit. I've not seen a small frame BW accomplish such goals yet, but that's not to say it's impossible. Especially T3 flange.

[idahotuner]

Sorry about the thread jack.

Idaho,

I've been thinking a little about your turbo choice and I spoke with my tuner about it and he said do the BW S256 with the .55ar T3 housing if you are going to get a BW. Should make 450 on pump gas and spool by 4000.

If I were you I would consider the new P T&E HP billet lineup. They are the best performing T3 turbos out right now. Here is a link to some good prices on them. I would do the HP5557 or the HP5857 with the .63 ar hot side for your goals. For $899 and rebuildable the GT30r just can't compete.

http://www.extremepsi.com/stor...=1652

i really liek the looks of the HP5557 with the t3 .63 a/r vband out let. then i could use the mazworx manifold and v band down pipe. and i can keep the turbo water and oil cooled.

That's asking for for quite a bit. I've not seen a small frame BW accomplish such goals yet, but that's not to say it's impossible. Especially T3 flange.

well i am open to any turbo suggestions.

[codyace]

What are you requirements?

Full spool before 4k...what is 'full spool'...as in final boost or ??

Even the smallest 30r or Borg that will support 450 whp isn't going to do that, this side of excessive low end timing and or nitrous. MAYBE that .55 t3 housing, but then you're potentially sacrificing top end. Heck even a T2 flanged 2871r cuts it close, and they only support 350-420 hp (and you had one of these).

A close friend of mine was looking at a .55 BW256 for this SRT4, and every graph we could find, and every setup we checked out (that made 350-400 whp) didn't even fully spool before 4000, and that's with a larger (2.4) engine. In the end, it made similar power figures as the 2871r cars, which he was not looking to run. These engines also do not spin high, which hurts total power. I'd be willing to bet on an SR20, spinning to 8k, the BW 256 with the .55 housing would spool 20-22 psi around 4500 RPM, and probably make between 400-450 whp.


Modified by codyace at 8:11 PM 12/20/2009

[kentuckyslider]

What are you requirements?

Full spool before 4k...what is 'full spool'...as in final boost or ??

Even the smallest 30r or Borg that will support 450 whp isn't going to do that, this side of excessive low end timing and or nitrous. MAYBE that .55 t3 housing, but then you're potentially sacrificing top end. Heck even a T2 flanged 2871r cuts it close, and they only support 350-420 hp (and you had one of these).

A close friend of mine was looking at a .55 BW256 for this SRT4, and every graph we could find, and every setup we checked out (that made 350-400 whp) didn't even fully spool before 4000, and that's with a larger (2.4) engine. In the end, it made similar power figures as the 2871r cars, which he was not looking to run. These engines also do not spin high, which hurts total power. I'd be willing to bet on an SR20, spinning to 8k, the BW 256 with the .55 housing would spool 20-22 psi around 4500 RPM, and probably make between 400-450 whp.

Modified by codyace at 8:11 PM 12/20/2009

Cody, you are closer to reality then myself or idaho on this topic. You just aren't going to get 2871r .64 ar spool out of a T3 turbo capable of 450whp on the SR20. You are trying to have your cake and eat it to. I define "full spool" by when my dyno graph reaches peak TQ. That is what you will feel with your butt dyno. I hate to do this on the SR board, but if you wanted that quick of spool you should have kept your ka!! The ony setups I would consider on the SR to try to achieve idaho's goal would be the fulll race 3071R TS setup or a top notch single scroll tubular mani with the PT&E HP5557. The HP5557 has a 55mm billet wheel and is rated at 535hp. Could be the only turbo out that could pull this off.

[idahotuner]

well i want the start of my power-curves plateau i wanta fat power curve from 4000-8000 the mazworx fit in there and so did the s259 by 4000 power was jumping off like crazy then starts dropping off slowly at 7500 rpm.

a gt3071 might come into play. all depends what i get a good deal on.

i dont mean full tq but the point were it stats to level off but still going up.

the mazworx and full race t3 kits both out spool the gt2871r. making more power at less pressure across the board.

but i am open to other turbos that people think might do it because the extended tip tech and stuff like that hasnt really been tried out on srs

[codyace]

the mazworx and full race t3 kits both out spool the gt2871r. making more power at less pressure across the board.

I'll never go by a website's claims - ever. There are plenty of real world 30r dynos that show otherwsie. If the above was true, I would have been swapped over a LONG time ago. Not to mention that it's hard to beat off boost response/transient response of the t2 turbos...it's physics on your side.

Another thing to consider are the dyno types used for examples. You introduce real world load to a car, and it changes everything.

but i am open to other turbos that people think might do it because the extended tip tech and stuff like that hasnt really been tried out on srs

Air pumps are air pumps. I don't get to caught up in these new catch phrases to much, as they are simply new ways to sell turbo technology. Not that they aren't great additions though, but there is a tad bit of hype surroundin the words too. You see this alot on Scooby land where people decided to use word like Billet, and CM^2 (a/r), and reverse, instead of using the traditional setups. I mean they Billet wheels are great, but if their design is shat, who cares? Reminds me of when 'ceramic' wheels were the bees knees....

Ultimately speaking though, there are easily 10 diferent turbos thta could make peak torque aroudn 4500/4800 rpm, and support 450+ hp.

[idahotuner]

yeah. i get ya on that. true call not listening to all the hype. thats why i am thinking about the PT&E HP555 isa good turbo choice. extened tip tech or even a BW s259. there are some sick sc300 turbos too. i saw one graph ona ka were it made 700 hp by like 6500-7000

[kentuckyslider]

This is one of the sickest graphs I've seen for a KA-t. It's a BW s362 with a T3 .70ar BEP housing. Makes 500whp and 550wtq before 5000rpm. It is running 42psi on E85 but made the same power at 38psi which is about hte limit of that turbine housing.

[kentuckyslider]

Pt&e are doing something special with their new billet HP turbos. I've seen to HP6262's swapped on evos and replaced 35r's and made consistant gains of 60-70whp with the same spool on the exact same tune and boost levels on 2 different cars. The GT35r's have slightly smaller inducers and .63 ar housings and the 6262's had .82ar housings and still spooled just as fast and made 10-12% more power. Both cars were run at 37-38psi on C116. That's a slightly bigger turbo and turbine housing spooling just as fast and making more power then the 35r. An air pmp is an air pump but something is going on there. Although the trade off is that Pt&e are not as high of quality as the Garrett or BW turbos and have a much higher failure rate.

[idahotuner]

yeah that is the dyno. if that turbo can make that much power by then with e85 and ka24. then with pump gas and 20psi on a sr22 i should be bale to make 450 easily. i kinda liek that one. but the idea of a ss turbine housing of the PT turbo sounds good too. in the same place as that power curve