Hey I'm going to have to make a decision soon on these and I need advices:
Tein basic dampers-$8006/6 front/rear rate, although they can be + or - 1 if desired.non dampening adjustables, only height adjustableno upper mounts
JIC Magic FLT-A1 - $10007/5 front/rear, 5 way dampening adjustable, bracket hegiht adjustable, mounts (front adjustable pillowball mounts)
1 of the bolts on one of my front mounts is a lil bent so I'm going to have to get another used one, let's say $20 bucks. so that brings the tien to 820...
if you have either of these products/same brand but different model feel free to speak up. thanks
PS this car is going to be daily driven, with occasional auto,b ut possibly more in the enar future
JIC flt-a1 vs. tein basic
crap customer support, overpriced products. I didnt find my experience with their tech guys very nice, either.
jsut a personal thing, but if I cant talk to a company without them immediately thinking I don know what CAMBER is, IU dont like them.
also, when JIC stuff breaks, its NEVER their fault. they make racing coilovers, yet if they break on a track day, they go "nope, sorry."
may be good for their bottom line, but it means they wont get a single reccomendation out of me, or my money.-chet(get the HA and buy pillow mounts for another 100, or get the HE...) also, consider other TEIN lines, they have great customer support, and installs go easy.
jsut a personal thing, but if I cant talk to a company without them immediately thinking I don know what CAMBER is, IU dont like them.
also, when JIC stuff breaks, its NEVER their fault. they make racing coilovers, yet if they break on a track day, they go "nope, sorry."
may be good for their bottom line, but it means they wont get a single reccomendation out of me, or my money.-chet(get the HA and buy pillow mounts for another 100, or get the HE...) also, consider other TEIN lines, they have great customer support, and installs go easy.
i have a set of flt-a2's. personally i think they are built better than a comparable tein product, all aircraft aluminum, wont corrode. the mounts are all reinforced, and as far as customer support, well im getting a damper replaced right now, tho i will have to get back with you to let you know whether they consider it my fualt or what =) i cant speak directly about tein at all mind you, but from reading about both that is the impression i got. i think jic's dampening is on average a little stiffer than other companies, but thats from reading articles.
Ceptos wrote:i have a set of flt-a2's. personally i think they are built better than a comparable tein product, all aircraft aluminum, wont corrode.
Well, being that the comparable tein product is a tein ra, you have no reason to think Jics are built better. Ra's are also made of aircraft aluminum and will not corrode.
It's funny how many times I've seen threads across numerous forums that tell of blown Jics (flt-a2's) within weeks of installing, yet I have not seen 1 instance of an RA being blown...ever! I just got an email the other day from the guy that bought my RAs (used off of my WRX). I sold them w/ about 15k miles on them and since, he's more than doubled that. PLUS he lives in Canada, so they are going through their 2nd harsh winter now. He hasn't had one problem.
Don't be steered away from Tein because of bandwagoners!
hehe I have no doubt Tein is made of great quality as well, like I said, I don't think quality will be a concer, but I've pretty much decided to settle on JIC because for $1000 bucks, I get 5 way dampening adjustable, height adjustable, and front adjustable pillowball mounts, whereas w/ Tein for $1050, the HAs do not come with pillowballs, heh.
edit yes i meant HAs
edit yes i meant HAs
LiU wrote:hehe I have no doubt Tein is made of great quality as well, like I said, I don't think quality will be a concer, but I've pretty much decided to settle on JIC because for $1000 bucks, I get 5 way dampening adjustable, height adjustable, and front adjustable pillowball mounts, whereas w/ Tein for $1050, the HEs do not come with pillowballs, heh.
You mean HA's...
Ceptos wrote:all jic products are made of the same material. i like jic, and i prefer it over tein, but thats me. tein is the bandwagon, tho that says nothing about either company. ive seen jic race in autocross and drift, they sent two cars to d1 this year.
Jic is the biggest bandwagon suspension company I have ever seen. They were known for making crap coilovers for a while, but a few ads in SCC and other mags and a couple demo cars changed that quite a bit. Ads aside though, for me the proof is in the pudding...and look who's had a blown strut for how long now?
Yes, actually I have. Not with my own car, but a friend's car yes. I posted my experience a while back...anyway, I'll give you a breif overview. Friend buys Jics for WRX. Jics arrive...they look really well built and seem promising. Car rides like poo. Jic says it's the spring rates (b/c Japan roads are smoother). Buys new spring rates (lower). Car still rides like poo. He finds out that many people across a forum also feel this way. Jic looks deeper into problem. Jic finally admits that there was a problem with the set they originally sold him (actually, the entire initial batch for WRX's) and did nothing about it (except told them to purchase their 'newer' versions) because he installed lower spring rates. Great company.
BTW, you proved my point months ago...rember this:
So please, tell me again that Jics aren't a bandwagon coilover!:bonghit
BTW, you proved my point months ago...rember this:
Ceptos wrote:in a few weeks i am purchasing a set of flt-a2's for my 95 240sx (4lug). ive heard they are a nice set of coilovers, sports compact car spoke well of them.
So please, tell me again that Jics aren't a bandwagon coilover!:bonghit
do u think i would actually base my opinion on one article in a magazine? just because jic threatens your precious mainstream teins that everyone and their mother cant get enough of, just like volk, doesnt mean you have to bash them. my coilover that has a problem was sent to me that way, and is being fixed for free. they are also sending me a set of softer springs upon request. i wasnt asking for an argument, and i didnt say anyting bad about tein, but like always trying to be mature never works...
I'm glad getting a repair on a brand new damper is acceptable to you, but to me that's completely unacceptable. For the kind of money spent, I'd expect a new damper overnighted to my doorstep. You've been down for over a month and counting! Free, softer springs...greeeeat. Now they can void your warranty if anything else happens.:rolleyes
All I have to say is that I see problems with Jics all the time and if I see someone posting about their superior build quality to comparable Teins, especially when they have NO experience with them, I'm gonna come down hard. Sorry.
All I have to say is that I see problems with Jics all the time and if I see someone posting about their superior build quality to comparable Teins, especially when they have NO experience with them, I'm gonna come down hard. Sorry.
where were all these damning statements months ago when i was asking about jic's reputation, and all you could do was yell at me for asking too many questions? (tho i do remember you suggesting i buy them) i havnt come accross any bad things about jic until now, i asked the same questions i asked here months ago, on a lot of other forums, and got no negative responses, freshalloy members had nothing but praise for the company. i dont think either company is better than the other, i was mearly putting up jics half of the battle since no one else was going to. if i had to pick ONE good coilover, it would be neither jic or tein.
er...no experience with them? teins?
er...no experience with them? teins?