Urabus GodofTraction wrote: It's simple: Because of it's gross limitations (size of round, size of guns, recoil, etc), a lack of proven record (it's really TOO powerful for "social work," see overpenetration) of many more commercially available rounds, choosing to carry a 10mm comes down to two things: you want to be different, and you need a pen15 extension. Do you need me to break it down Barney style for you?

Oh, and to further damage your credibility: the Tanfoglio/EEA Witness is based on the CZ-75, which is in turn based on the High-Power (which explains why I love them so).

Thanks for the correction. EEA is what I was looking at, and I did not realize it was based off of Hi-power.

I still don't understand your "tiny d!ck" reference. Please elaborate how having a a more powerful caliber equates to having a smaller d!ck.

Over-penetration is not an issue with frangible hollow-points. Also, I believe the "over-penetration" argument is complete BS. A 357 is .356-.358 caliber and police forces never had an issue. The 10mm is .400. Compare 180gr. 357 = 1300fps. 10mm = 1350fps. Using Wiki which is low for both relative to handloads.

You keep saying that the 10mm chosen "to be different". These days carrying a 357, 41, or 44 would be "different" and all more powerful then the 9mm and 40s&w. Far fewer people carry these calibers then the 9mm and 40. Are they doing that simply to be different?

PoorManQ45 wrote:

Urabus GodofTraction wrote: It's simple: Because of it's gross limitations (size of round, size of guns, recoil, etc), a lack of proven record (it's really TOO powerful for "social work," see overpenetration) of many more commercially available rounds, choosing to carry a 10mm comes down to two things: you want to be different, and you need a pen15 extension. Do you need me to break it down Barney style for you?

Oh, and to further damage your credibility: the Tanfoglio/EEA Witness is based on the CZ-75, which is in turn based on the High-Power (which explains why I love them so).

Thanks for the correction. EEA is what I was looking at, and I did not realize it was based off of Hi-power.

Fighting ignorance all over the internet!

PoorManQ45 wrote: I still don't understand your "tiny d!ck" reference. Please elaborate how having a a more powerful caliber equates to having a smaller d!ck.

Think mall-crawler jeeps.

PoorManQ45 wrote: Over-penetration is not an issue with frangible hollow-points. Also, I believe the "over-penetration" argument is complete BS. A 357 is .356-.358 caliber and police forces never had an issue. The 10mm is .400. Compare 180gr. 357 = 1300fps. 10mm = 1350fps. Using Wiki which is low for both relative to handloads.

You know, you keep calling yourself a reloader but I never see you citing reloading databases. Why?

Over-penetration is real problem. You can't escape that. And the 10mm Auto is more powerful than the .357 mag, so what's your point exactly? And getting a 10mm and loading it with a frangible like the Glaser? A big "why"? At that point you're giving up everything to get nothing!

PoorManQ45 wrote: You keep saying that the 10mm chosen "to be different". These days carrying a 357, 41, or 44 would be "different" and all more powerful then the 9mm and 40s&w. Far fewer people carry these calibers then the 9mm and 40. Are they doing that simply to be different?

.357 is a time-tested round, with a fantastic live-fire record. The yardstick, if you will. No problems there. Would be weary of it's recommendation to a beginner, but you can put .38 Special in there, so... The .41 mag was a solution waiting to find a problem, and hence never caught on. I'd be weary of anyone advocating it's use with the fervor you're advocating the 10mm. Already own one? Great. Own a couple more useful pistols and want a near-wildcat cartridge in your collection? Great. As for the .44 magnum, yes, I would question a person's desire to carry a .44 magnum revolver as being anything but "Look at me and my huge gun! Yeah!" Here's a quote on your beloved Wikipedia about the .44 magnum; "n its full-powered form, it produces so much recoil and muzzle blast that it is generally considered to be unsuitable for use as a police weapon." And with the .357 having a better track record...

Taken to it's natural extension: Would you suspect motives beyond protection if you met someone who carried this as a people-killer?


10mm Auto is a good round. It doesn't deserve the handjob you're giving it, though.

Urabus GodofTraction wrote:

PoorManQ45 wrote: I still don't understand your "tiny d!ck" reference. Please elaborate how having a a more powerful caliber equates to having a smaller d!ck.

Think mall-crawler jeeps.

Still missing it. The mall-crawlers will mod knowing full well that they never intend to go off-road.

A pistol is completely different. I'll use whatever I have readily available, even a "lowly" .22 or my 45-70 hand loaded with Remington 405s chugging along at a claimed 2000fps per handloads.com(yes, this will over-penetrate by about 5 people...) . Doesn't matter what it is as long as the threat is stopped.

I'd advocate the OP getting whatever the hell they want, and then getting something different to have a nice variety.

I do not care to copy load data from hodgdon's reload center. I can if you'd like. Those loads are way too conservative though. I prefer handloads.com to find out max loads(then drop them by ~10% to start).

I appreciate the 41mag also and would recommend it if you are handloading. Nice inbetween round. Combine that with a Marlin 1894 in 41mag and you've got a cool combo set.

I would see no issue with someone carrying a 500 Alaskan if that's what they have. The fact of the matter is that they carry something in the first place. Be it a Ruger Mark III up to a S&W Alaskan. They'll all get the job done. It's up to you to decide on the balance that you would like.

Hell, I'd go with a 357sig. Neat little cartridge, but due to the bottle neck the brass doesn't last as long as a straight wall cartridge.

I missed all the crap about lights so here goes.

This is the lil baby I keep in the lock box next to my full mag of Federal Hydrashocks.

http://www.surefire.com/E1B-Backup

flashlight metaphorical penor fight!

Your lumens come up short young jedi! 120 baby!

That's an old ad. The Surefire E1B Backup is now 110 lumens at high output.I'm going to take a video outside for you fools right meow.

alright meow.

PoorManQ45 wrote:

Urabus GodofTraction wrote: Think mall-crawler jeeps.

Still missing it. The mall-crawlers will mod knowing full well that they never intend to go off-road.

Dude, you really do need it Barney style, don't you? Mall-crawlers THINK they need 42" wheels because what if they ever need to go off-road. Like, omg I might get stuck. Some with a lot of guys that insist on having powerful handguns. Great buddy, you can blow a hole through a water buffalo. Can you even get the followup shot on the paper?

PoorManQ45 wrote: I would see no issue with someone carrying a 500 Alaskan if that's what they have. The fact of the matter is that they carry something in the first place. Be it a Ruger Mark III up to a S&W Alaskan. They'll all get the job done. It's up to you to decide on the balance that you would like.

Oh Jesus Christ, I forgot you were absolutely retarded. To top it all off, that revolver is chambered in 500 S&W, not your random-a** wildcat.

Goddamn. Well, enjoy your LOOK AT ME, I'M SPECIAL moments. I'll wait on those groupings. And I know this is a tall order, but be a man. 15 yards, rapid fire. No bench, no slow, deliberate shots.

chill.....

themadscientist wrote:chill.....

This.

Video is also uploading.

themadscientist wrote:chill.....

Cool as a cucumber, baby.

Urabus GodofTraction wrote:
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That's going to be my carry piece in April. Cept i'll be in Alaska

Urabus GodofTraction wrote:

Now THAT is a gun I would like to own one day.

.50 banned in cali?

AFAIK, yep.

snwbrdr435 wrote:.50 banned in cali?

The California DOJ website lists the .500 S&W as a-ok.

Thank you Chalieo!

Huh. Weird. I know the Taurus Judge is a no-go but that's only because it can use .410 shotgun shells as well as the .45 long Colt.

buy a rocket launcher

In the mean time, enjoy this!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JeQLao3IbA[/youtube]

Save your pennies:
http://www.impactguns.com/store/022188635003.html

so did you enjoy that pie or what?

...And the only way a good gun jams is if you shoot sh**ty ammo through it.

Watch the language.

Twas not me and it was a flan.

Urabus GodofTraction wrote:Save your pennies:
http://www.impactguns.com/store/022188635003.html

With taxes it's probably a $1,200 gun. I'd rather buy a rifle at that point.

I own 3 +1500 dollar pistols

who changed what I said? KV?

Koshin wrote:I own 3 +1500 dollar pistols

who changed what I said? KV?

Yup.

And what pistols do you got? Pics?

krimsonviper wrote:

Koshin wrote:I own 3 +1500 dollar pistols

who changed what I said? KV?

Yup.

And what pistols do you got? Pics?

Pleeeaaaase let at least one be a grossly overpriced, underbuilt Kimber. Or a Para! Man, seeing that someone had spent good money on a Para would make my night.

I own a Warthog that I paid 550 for. I have 2 desert eagles .50 AE, and a desert eagle .357 magnum as well. Never owned a Kimber but I shouldve bought one in particular and didnt for some reason. Ive got a couple of Rettas. The model 96 .40 cal Ive got is butter. Ive got a ruger p90 with some work done to it that I daily. Ive got a ton of guns. I posted pics of the arsenal once on here but my hard drive s*** and I only have them on my Ipod touch now. I lost 3600 pictures

I bite my tongue on the kimber posted a few pages back.

Koshin wrote:I own a Warthog that I paid 550 for. I have 2 desert eagles .50 AE, and a desert eagle .357 magnum as well. Never owned a Kimber but I shouldve bought one in particular and didnt for some reason. Ive got a couple of Rettas. The model 96 .40 cal Ive got is butter. Ive got a ruger p90 with some work done to it that I daily. Ive got a ton of guns. I posted pics of the arsenal once on here but my hard drive s*** and I only have them on my Ipod touch now. I lost 3600 pictures

Woooooo night made! Thanks.