Is waterboarding torture?

[telcoman]

Watch this and then decide

http://content1.clipmarks.com/...01B7C/

I guess this is why Hannity will not take up Keith Olberman's challenge of $1000 per second donated to charity for every second that he can last.

Telcoman

[Cold_Zero]

Throw in Monstering and bump it up to 2k/sec and I will do it. As long as Uberdork doesnt mind the money going to a Parochial School.

[themadscientist]

nope. Really close but nope. I define torture as imparting physical harm. This doesn't do that. It does however, ride the razors edge of mental harm. If it it doesn't work after a couple of times it should not be used anymore on a suspect. Record should be kept, in the open, of who has been boarded. The shady way it's treated results in a shady opinion of it.

[AZhitman]

Howard's posts during the Presidential campaign were torture.

[themadscientist]

*still scarred*

[Bubba1]

*still scarred*

Jesse Ventura (former SEAL) had an entertaining discussion about waterboarding on Larry King. Reacting to d!ck Cheney's claim about valuable information extracted from waterboard victims. Ventura said something to the effect that if you waterboarded d!ck Cheney for 10 seconds, he'd confess to killing JFK.

[telcoman]

Howard's posts during the Presidential campaign were torture.

Greg

I'll bet you can hardly wait for 2012

Jesse Ventura (former SEAL) had an entertaining discussion about waterboarding on Larry King. Reacting to d!ck Cheney's claim about valuable information extracted from waterboard victims. Ventura said something to the effect that if you waterboarded d!ck Cheney for 10 seconds, he'd confess to killing JFK.

He was interviewed on the Howard Stern show and stated "give him a waterboard, d!ck Cheney and he would have that d!ck confessing to the Sharon Tate murders"

Telcoman

[dusred]

I would consider water boarding a "cruel or unusual punishment" and therefore shouldn't be used by anyone who is under American laws.

[CakeDaddy]

Its odvious toture! Period! With all the hot air in Hannitys lungs... he'd brake the bank at $1000 per second bank.

Its easy for a lot of you to sit behind your monitors and say that it isn't torture, but in a real world event... you'd cry like a beotch before the water even hits you.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

I'm ignorant to what actually constitutes torture, and if waterboarding is in fact torture (as I imagine everyone who posts in here is), but I can tell you this:

That clip was faker than the tits on an import model.

[Bubba1]

Greg

I'll bet you can hardly wait for 2012



He was interviewed on the Howard Stern show and stated "give him a waterboard, d!ck Cheney and he would have that d!ck confessing to the Sharon Tate murders"

Telcoman

That's right about Sharon Tate, but Stern acknowledged Ventura said it first on King's show. Listen to the replay.

[dusred]

[AZhitman]

Its odvious toture! Period! With all the hot air in Hannitys lungs... he'd brake the bank at $1000 per second bank.

Please refrain from posting while under the influence.

[CakeDaddy]

Please refrain from posting while under the influence.

Take your own advice and refrain from posting all together. Another mindless comment that has nothing to do with the topic.

You are starting to act like that ugly fat chick again at my high school that wouldn't leave me alone

...now back to waterboarding


Modified by CakeDaddy at 9:48 PM 5/31/2009

[LongBeachCoupe]

<--- Left wing demo

I would rather have this done to me than being electroshocked...

I watched a TV show about "the strongest soldiers" where they had a navy seal sitting in ice water they kept pouring ice into, he sat there, with his arms extended at his sides for over an hour, and kept his core temp high.

They then showed an Israeli IDF soldier wearing a sweat suit (one of those plastic thingies that doesnt allow the sweat to evaporate) and had him running on a treadmill under 24 french fry lights.

After both these soldiers went thru this PHYSICAL torture, they had to run thru an obstacle course (they did a control run thru before they were tortured) and both of them did better after the torture than before.... They willed it.

Isnt the underlying question to this thread not weather this is torture or not, but rather should it be a tactic allowed to be used to extract information from suspects?

[joe603]

Honesty if I did it for $$, yes it would suck but I would know that my life isn't in any danger. It's not torture if you want to do it.

I'm sure some of our own military training exercises for the hard-core units endure more.

Cake, maybe you shouldn't have banged the ugly fat chick...then she would have left you alone like everyone else probably did.

[AZhitman]

Another mindless comment that has nothing to do with the topic.

Yes. Yours was. That's why I called you on it.

You are starting to act like that ugly fat chick again at my high school that wouldn't leave me alone

Well, she has a right - After all, she DID give birth to you.

[Kohster]

Has anyone seen Body of lies? I prefer how the saudi gov't gave the guys mom a condo, food, and money and turning him into an informant rather than torturing a guy.

[RiceRocketGal]

Is water boarding torture?

Of course. Don't be stupid.

Do I care?

Nope.

Torture the little fkers. They are the ones who will decide how far we have to go to get them to talk. We just follow them there.

[RiceRocketGal]

Has anyone seen Body of lies? I prefer how the saudi gov't gave the guys mom a condo, food, and money and turning him into an informant rather than torturing a guy.

"Enrich my family or I will blow your citizens up.."

That is blackmail. You really prefer that we PAY people not to hurt us?

Did you get beat up for milk money in school? If someone was beating up your child for milk money would you send MORE money so your child could pay him to stop.. or maybe he could hire the guy to beat up other people...

[Kohster]

"Enrich my family or I will blow your citizens up.."

That is blackmail. You really prefer that we PAY people not to hurt us?

Did you get beat up for milk money in school? If someone was beating up your child for milk money would you send MORE money so your child could pay him to stop.. or maybe he could hire the guy to beat up other people...

If you haven't seen the movie then you really shouldn't comment on my post.

Here is a paragraph from the wikipedia entry of the movie to better explain my post:

(Hani is the government agent)

"Hani recognises one of the men living in the safehouse as a man he had known for years named Mustapha Karami and he takes him out into the desert and coerces him into working for Jordanian intelligence (he has been sending money to Karami's mother and making it appear as if it came from her reformed and successful son, so she doesn't know Karami is still a thief and now an aspiring Al Qaeda terrorlst, and he is shamed and surprised when Hani does not kill him but lets him ride away on his bicycle)."

I hope you better understand my post now ricerocketgal.
Modified by Kohster at 12:10 PM 6/2/2009

[RiceRocketGal]

If you haven't seen the movie then you really shouldn't comment on my post.

Here is a paragraph from the wikipedia entry of the movie to better explain my post:

(Hani is the government agent)

"Hani recognises one of the men living in the safehouse as a man he had known for years named Mustapha Karami and he takes him out into the desert and coerces him into working for Jordanian intelligence (he has been sending money to Karami's mother and making it appear as if it came from her reformed and successful son, so she doesn't know Karami is still a thief and now an aspiring Al Qaeda terrorlst, and he is shamed and surprised when Hani does not kill him but lets him ride away on his bicycle)."

I hope you better understand my post now ricerocketgal.

Modified by Kohster at 12:10 PM 6/2/2009

I own the movie... tyvm. My favorite part is when they are willing to turn the American guy )Leo) over to the terrorists to be tortured and possibly killed for the sake of getting the *bad guy*... well... that and the part where it shows how drones are flown and controlled from the safety of the USA.

I like the movie... but I am aware it is just a movie.

The last people we need to be taking tips from on how to keep terrorism at bay... are the leaders of the middle east. If they knew what they were doing this wouldn't be an issue. We don't have terrorlst groups based in the USA who are going all over the world and attacking people... do we?

[Kohster]

So if you know what I was talking about why did you say I was for blackmail? If you knew what I was talking about you can see that my post was not suggesting that at all.

[RiceRocketGal]

So if you know what I was talking about why did you say I was for blackmail? If you knew what I was talking about you can see that my post was not suggesting that at all.

Read my post again. I didn't say it was FOR blackmail. I said it IS blackmail. If you have ever paid someone not to kill you or your people or in some way cause you or your loved ones harm... you have been subjected to extortion / blackmail. Giving people money not to harm you is a horrible idea.

Answer my question. If your son were being beaten up at school... would you give him money so that he could pay the bullies to stop?

[Kohster]

Read my post again. I didn't say it was FOR blackmail. I said it IS blackmail. If you have ever paid someone not to kill you or your people or in some way cause you or your loved ones harm... you have been subjected to extortion / blackmail. Giving people money not to harm you is a horrible idea.

Answer my question. If your son were being beaten up at school... would you give him money so that he could pay the bullies to stop?

Your belief that COERCING a potential terrorlst to turn into an informant for me is somehow paying him to not attack me is really beyond me. Coercion is not the same as paying someone off.

I don't know how your "bully" argument applies here, since we are talking about people who's motives do not involve money. Honor is more important than money to zealots, which is my point.

[RiceRocketGal]

Your belief that COERCING a potential terrorlst to turn into an informant for me is somehow paying him to not attack me is really beyond me. Coercion is not the same as paying someone off.

I don't know how your "bully" argument applies here, since we are talking about people who's motives do not involve money. Honor is more important than money to zealots, which is my point.

Coercion? Dictionary much?

Do you know what coercion is? Apparently not.

co·er·cion [ kō úr'n ]noun Definition: 1. forcing of somebody to do something: the use of force or threats to make somebody do something against his or her will

2. force used to compel somebody: force or threats used to make somebody do something against his or her will

Paying people not to hurt you isn't coercion. It is being complicit to BLACKMAIL / EXTORTION.

It is pussing out. Torture is coercion and I have no problem with it.

[Kohster]

Coercion? Dictionary much?

Do you know what coercion is? Apparently not.

co·er·cion [ kō úr'n ]noun Definition: 1. forcing of somebody to do something: the use of force or threats to make somebody do something against his or her will

2. force used to compel somebody: force or threats used to make somebody do something against his or her will

Paying people not to hurt you isn't coercion. It is being complicit to BLACKMAIL / EXTORTION.

It is pussing out. Torture is coercion and I have no problem with it.

Im going to post a part of the wikipedia entry for the SECOND time now:

Quote »Hani recognises one of the men living in the safehouse as a man he had known for years named Mustapha Karami and he takes him out into the desert and coerces him into working for Jordanian intelligence[/quote]Coercion is not synonymous with torture. I hope you understand me better now.

[Kohster]

Seriously ricerocketgal, if you really do own the movie watch that scene again and come back and tell me that its clearly obvious the terrorlst is extorting Hani.

[Kohster]

for everyone who's wondering what the hell I'm talking about, here's a link that streams the movie.

http://www.miloyski.com/video/...-Lies

The scene begins at 45:00

[Kohster]

Also, to get back on topic, here is what wikipedia thinks about waterboarding:

"Waterboarding is a form of torture that consists of immobilizing the victim on his or her back with the head inclined downwards, and then pouring water over the face and into the breathing passages. By forced suffocation and inhalation of water, the subject experiences drowning and is caused to believe they are about to die.[1] It is considered a form of torture by legal experts,[2][3] politicians, war veterans,[4][5] medical experts in the treatment of torture victims,[6][7] intelligence officials,[8] military judges,[9] and human rights organizations.[10][11] "