is this that better intake manifold

[flyboy367]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...51853

[flyboy367]

if not what am i looking for, my shortram idea is gonna be a bust without some big $$ for r&d

[allensteiner]

yep, it's the variable intake. you can buy complete setups on the org with injectors, valve cover etc for usually under $400.

[allensteiner]

what are you planning because there's no difference between the mevi, 00vi and usim except for butterfly valves inside the first two?

[flyboy367]

planning on swapping intakes if it means more power. im aiming for low 13 high 12 all na for now

[flyboy367]

i cant get on the org, i said i used to work for gm and they banned my ip addy.

[allensteiner]

intake swap gives more power, but you won't get as low as you want na. maybe if you gutted the car to the shell and did a few more upgrades/mods...otherwise not gonna happen. kzoosho barely got to high 12's boosted.

just looked up some times and the best recorded 4th gen with a mt ran [email protected]. i bet he had a mevi or 00vi because stock mt runs low 15's.

[Presscott707]

yea you are going to need alot more then just an intake manifold. 12s all motor is going to be alot of $$$ bro but it has happened. so if you are willing more power to you bro.

[flyboy367]

i got a few tricks up my sleeve. some may come out as how to's for throttlebody, intake and headwork. im good at wieght transfer and reduction as well as a few secrets. still need a baseline on my car but after the accident i know my replacement parts wiegh almost 60lbs less then stock and some more pull will get me 100lbs. every 100 is 1/10

[flyboy367]

i live 6 miles from raceway park in englishtown nj. gonna try for friday if all the front end parts come in by tuesday for my new hood and bumper

[Chris93se]

oooo wow kool I cant wait to see these time slips... the progress that is. What do you have done to the car now?

[flyboy367]

well sofar i pulled out some jute, spare tire and jack to add my system and keep the car at curb wieght. i have a stage 3 clutch and aluminum flywheel. i also changed the clutch line from rubber to stainless braided steel. i added a few grounds and changed batteries to the optima yellow top. i made a low pressure air intake and moved the iat 3" behind the filter which is located just behind the front bumper on the bottom area (post with pics will follow) i also moved my maf 8" down to take advantage of the dense air.this week the wife is away so im fabbing up an exhaust for some 2.5" pipe and mandrel bends along with a 3" high flow converter and some stainless headers. i have a short throw shifter going in as well as porting the throttlebody out. then maybe some intake manifold work.once im done with that im gonna look for a set of heads so i can cut the vlaves, blend the bowls and do some porting. but that depends on how much of a pain in the butt the timing set is.

im already pissing off some mustang owners and a few 240's, some evos and embarrased a gto. although a couple i thing the drivers just sucked.

[maximaman]

dam dude that's some serious work when u could tune a super charger and knock out a second or more. I did some tb, i/m, adapter porting, sensor relocating, ram air to short intake and some exhaust work and im nowhere near 12s. Even with my weight reduction. I'm gunna say pipe it, cam it, and get some gram light rims with 30 lo pros that oughtta shave a decent amount off ur slip. And ya... I already eat 240s that aren't turbo

[Presscott707]

have you ever ran the car befor?

[flyboy367]

na havent ran it yet the wife is always around lol. i would go turbo but im trying to keep it as little noticable change as i can since i promised her i wouldnt tinker with this car.

[Presscott707]

my wife was the same way. lol but she understands now. that when it comes to cars a man got to be a man. lol you should try to give your self a base time so you can know where you came from. that and its a good time.

[kzoosho]

12's all motor is not as easy as you think. But congrats on trying. By the time you get to 12's i should be in the 11's just to let you know lol.

[flyboy367]

well its not my first car.

in best order i can remeber1978 camaro type lt 327sb th350 315hp1979 camaro 350sb th350 350hp1984 caprice classic lt1350sb 700r4 355hp1981 camaro z28 blown 540bb th400 1740hp1990 cavalier z24 turbo 3.1 125t 210hp1987 monte ss 383sb t5wc 420hp1998 viper gts v10 trimec 6spd 510hp1974 nova 427sb th400 460hp1992 saturc sc2 1.8 turboo 5spd 240hp1998 pontiac gtp blown 3.8 4t65e 430hp1998 kia sportage 2.4 220hp

had a few rollers and a few track builds inbetween but these were all emmisions legal street strip cars. i worked for gm for a few years and a race shop for a few. 12's can be done and ill catch you soon unless you figure out how to run your blower. i just need to figure out how to get my bumper off without wrecking the car lol

[allensteiner]

edit

since you're a gm specialist...how hard is it going to be for me to put a sc on my 05 bonneville? will i have to get heads, injectors etc from a sc one or just a straight bolt on without worrying it'll blow?

[PBfrEAk]

edit

since you're a gm specialist...how hard is it going to be for me to put a sc on my 05 bonneville? will i have to get heads, injectors etc from a sc one or just a straight bolt on without worrying it'll blow?

I'm no GM expert...but here...

http://www.gaownersclub.com/fo...43090

This is a Grand Am forum but there was a thread talking about this.

(All I did was google "pontiac difference between supercharge and NA" )

Excerpt:

To put a supercharger on a N/A 3800 you need to do a top swap. Lots of info of this on GP forums, but it involves basically changing over everything from the heads up and adding the S/C pulleys to run it.

Why? Because the L36/26 have fuel injectors situated in the intake manifold. On the L67/L32 they're in the heads. It's about a $1k job in parts/gaskets alone if you get them from a junkyard and do the labor yourself. Also, you can get around the higher compression issue by running a larger pulley on the supercharger. On my forum, I can think of at least 3 guys that have done this swap.

Now I dunno which engine is in your Bonniville (I assume 3800 but which series?? )

Hope that helps!!!

[flyboy367]

you thats it a top swap. although unless your happy with a little more (i always want more) you might want to think about doing the zzperformance turbo swap. i have a lot more info just email me so we dont pollute the forum.its a 3.8 series 2. and the transmission is a 4t60e that will need a few perks since thats the week link in all w body cars.

[allensteiner]

I'm no GM expert...but here...

http://www.gaownersclub.com/fo...43090

This is a Grand Am forum but there was a thread talking about this.

(All I did was google "pontiac difference between supercharge and NA" )

Excerpt:

Now I dunno which engine is in your Bonniville (I assume 3800 but which series?? )

Hope that helps!!!

it's series 2 and i'm a member of a bonneville forum - but they all talk about swapping heads, trannies etc...i don't want to do that and figured that since the vq can handle a lot of boost a iron gm 3800 should too - in theory.

[allensteiner]

you thats it a top swap. although unless your happy with a little more (i always want more) you might want to think about doing the zzperformance turbo swap. i have a lot more info just email me so we dont pollute the forum.its a 3.8 series 2. and the transmission is a 4t60e that will need a few perks since thats the week link in all w body cars.

email sent

[kzoosho]

Like i said 12's all motor is not as easy as you think regardless of what previous cars you have owned. And me figure out how to run my blower? Um, you will never catch me on motor. Spray yea you have a fighting chance but on motor you wont com close.

[flyboy367]

Like i said 12's all motor is not as easy as you think regardless of what previous cars you have owned. And me figure out how to run my blower? Um, you will never catch me on motor. Spray yea you have a fighting chance but on motor you wont com close.

didnt say it was easy. just something i like doing. as for the tuning comment im joshin around with ya. im glad to see a boosted max out there leave me an out for when i get tired of na. as far as timeslips its on

[allensteiner]

...build a stroker from what i read it's not too difficult - expensive for sure - and will give you as much power as the na vq30 will ever produce - along with a 00vi, exhaust, intake spacers etc that is.

still won't be 12's though.

[flyboy367]

well hopefully starting next year ill get my hands on an engine and build it for boost. im really just trying to feel out what the motor can do without it first. i hope i can kill 12.9 before swapping out but im not really feeling like pulling the heads and timing unless it starts going so ill probably die out somewhere in the 13's.

[kzoosho]

well hopefully starting next year ill get my hands on an engine and build it for boost. im really just trying to feel out what the motor can do without it first. i hope i can kill 12.9 before swapping out but im not really feeling like pulling the heads and timing unless it starts going so ill probably die out somewhere in the 13's.

Yea by then i should be deep in the 11's

[flyboy367]

note to self build motor for 10's

[kzoosho]

note to self build motor for 10's

Note to you, wont happen lol.