Is this right. Something i need feedback from.

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This is long but interesting.

Ok folks here is a conversation i had with a Thunderbird SC buddy. He did the first inverted Supercharger on that car adding about 100hp to his car for about 200$. How does this setup sound. Give me some feedback.

Now be nice everyone.

Ray is me, but my name is matt.Super manny is the guy with the inverted SC.

RAY says:Hey is this mannysupermanny says:yeppRAY says:I had a question that you might be able to answer.supermanny says:ask awayRAY says:you can basically supercharge any car.supermanny says:yesRAY says:Well. i am gonna get a 240 sx.RAY says:But i was thinkingRAY says:If i could get a supercharger on a 240sxRAY says:they can probably handle 8lbs of boost {or so i believe}supermanny says:turbo is betterRAY says:yeah that's true but a setup can cost around 3500Dollarssupermanny says:$200 for turbo and we make you a exh for around $150RAY says:What about oil lines, wastegate and what not. I heard all Quote "Junkyard turbo's" don't work well with the 240supermanny says:a turbo from wrecked dodge 2.6 will work whole setup from yard about $100RAY says:Which dodge was turbosupermanny says:vanssupermanny says:minisupermanny says:have tc3 turbosupermanny says:waste gate and allRAY says:Ahhh..RAY says:So who could modify the exhaust manifold.supermanny says:oil from seperate oil cantaner with electric pump and a small rad up frontsupermanny says:I can Im buying a tubing bender and mig welderRAY says:Where would a electric pump be locatedsupermanny says:anywheresupermanny says:they only require 10lbs pressRAY says:So... recapRAY says:Turbo from vanRAY says:eletric pump, oil lines and exhaust from you.supermanny says:im thinking of adding a turbo to rear of my sc mini vans had turbo 2.6 hemi with turbo supermanny says:you just get exh pipe run it in a u to top add turbo then route intake to it and back to manifold it would make about 40% more power {What do you guys think about this}supermanny says:they made a turbo 240supermanny says:but rare {Okay this is inaccurate}RAY says:The turbo 240 was a SR20Det and the CAt both released in japan onlyRAY says:But the CA twin cam N/A was released in americasupermanny says:blower needs pulleys and lots of modsRAY says:in the pulsarRAY says:i See.supermanny says:turbo is easyersupermanny says:+ uses less power to run supermanny says:a blower uses 60 hp to run a turbo uses 0 hpsupermanny says:thats why grand nationals kick on scsupermanny says:ill look at a 240 and tell ya how we can do itRAY says:Manny do you think you could put a list of things together of what i would need. that we have talked about and the ideas you had and email them to me...supermanny says:yes give me till tues im leaving for weekendRAY says:I figure before i do this just to be safe is get a different fuel pressure regulator, injectors and fuel pump.RAY says:Cool.RAY says:I keep bothering if you dont. RAY says:lolsupermanny says:oksupermanny says:my bro did a nissan 2.4 z motor with a dodge turbo supermanny says:around 180 hpRAY says:thats about the horsepower of the CA18deTRAY says: about 1500 dollars for just a motorsupermanny says:well add 40%supermanny says:maybe 245-260 hp {His numbers seem too high}supermanny says:he did 7 lbs boost no intercoolersupermanny says:ic is worth about 40 hpRAY says:i think i will get an intercooler from a starionsupermanny says:cool it should make big numbers hpRAY says:i hope so.RAY says:there pretty light cars so hp to weight ratio should be good.supermanny says:Ill check on the stuff and how to do it monday and let you knowsupermanny says:hey I got that 89 sc for $300 gonna fix it and sell itsupermanny says:blown hg and rear 1/4 panelRAY says:cool i'll let people know. I gotta go see ya on monday.supermanny says:oksupermanny says:later

Okay guys give me the verdict on this set up...Do you think i should try it. Anything i should add...This guy is used to SuperCoupes and Blowers and V8. I figure that's why the HP numbers are high. Anyways feedback is welcomed.

[SloS13]

I've never heard of running a separate oil system

[WAbernethy]

I says: I've heard of people doing a separate oil system but still don't see the need. There are a few benefits to doing it. You could set up the pump to run for a couple of minutes after you shut off the car, elimintating the need for a turbo timer. You would pretty much never have to worry about changing the oil for the turbo, use a really good synthetic. Would probably run cooler since it would have it's own cooling system.

I also says: All that sounds great but what a pain in the *** it would be to set up. Not to mention, what if your pump died or blew the fuse? You wouldn't know until it was too late. I guess you could put in a pressure switch. Again that's more work/crap to buy.

I says: It's really easy to connect into the stock pressure switch and drain back to the oil pan. Do it that way.

[C-Kwik]

"supermanny says:a blower uses 60 hp to run a turbo uses 0 hp"

This depends. A smaller supercharger shouldn't be absorbing 60 HP. That's more along the lines of what a large S/C for a V-8 might use up. A Centrifugal charger should be less.

As far as separate system, a couple things to add. It would eliminate the need for a return line. But it would be more expensive. And as far as the pump failure, if it does fail, only the turbo bearings would be trashed. If the motor's oil pump fails, you may have a turbo bearing failure as well as internal engine component failure. There's going to compromise for everything.

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So if i ditch the pump, how would i run the oil. Also would this setup be effective. Would this setup work.

Here are my goals cheap, reliable, easy to replace, and effective(performance wise).

I don't plan on going out and racing beefed up 300zx twin turbo or 5.0 twin turbo mustangs.

Oh yeah he is probably referring to his own supercharger on his thunderbird. Thats the one i was planning on using seeing(short sighted on my part) that i could just swap pullies and belts to change boost.

[trpower7]

Wont' happen. Research more. This has been discussed a million times. SEARCH.

Speed, reliablity, cost. You get to pick two. Only two. No more than two.

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I researched but why wont this work...I have read search replies but no answer, answers my question.

[C-Kwik]

So if i ditch the pump, how would i run the oil. Also would this setup be effective. Would this setup work.

Here are my goals cheap, reliable, easy to replace, and effective(performance wise).

I don't plan on going out and racing beefed up 300zx twin turbo or 5.0 twin turbo mustangs.

Oh yeah he is probably referring to his own supercharger on his thunderbird. Thats the one i was planning on using seeing(short sighted on my part) that i could just swap pullies and belts to change boost.

The motor's oiling system has plenty of spare pressure to run the turbo. And it doesn't need a whole lot either. Just enough to keep the bearings coated with oil.

Why not race 300ZX's and Mustangs? I'm running 6.5 psi and I can keep up with them just fine. Stock ones anyways. BPU Z's can be quite quick and Saleen Mustangs(ie 351's) haul ***.

As far as using a V-8 supercharger, like turbos, I'm sure they have efficiency ratings. Running a large charger may heat the air more for a given amount of boost and it would likely have larger rotating parts which require more power to turn. It can depend on set-up as well. If you are not running an intercooler of some sort, you want to make sure it will be efficient otherwise you may run into detonation problems.

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Yeah i am planning on intercooler. Had a question that everyone seems to know but i haven't a clue.(Tried Search). Where do i get the tubing for the intercooler?

Also Do you think the setup in theory so far would work. If so how well (estimate...roughly...i'm not talking numbers but if you wish to use them great,) do you think it would work.