Is the RB25 good for drifting?

[maxima278]

I'll be asking questions like this right up until the day I order a motor set, whatever I decide on. SR, RB, KA-T, hard to pick just one. Nobody seems to be drifting in 240s with RBs, are they just not mainstream yet? Or does the weight distribution hinder them?

[s14brent]

all the rb'd 240's i've seen drift own all!! i wish i had a rb25 (expects kamin to tell me how broke poor i am again & keep dreaming LOL)

[spec-u-later]

I don't see a reason why not. After you relocate the battery the balance should be close to the same (not enough of a change to make a real differance). You don't see them because the SR is more likely a cheaper and easier swap but the RB has a lot of potential and is getting done more and more. I'm sure they will become more mainstream as time passes. I plan on doing a 25 swap as well.

[Joe]

Or does the weight distribution hinder them?

BIGGEST myth about a RB swap. the "weight distribution" has an overall change of less than 2% going from 52/48 to 54/46. thats less of a balance shift than the difference between a full and empty tank of gas. the majority of the weight change in a 25 swap is the transmission, wich is more centered in the vehicle so the balance isnt that effected.

sorry, im just sick of that misguided rumor floating around.

anyway 25's drift great, ask me how i know

only downside to the drifting RB's is the fact parts arent as redialy available as a SR here in the states.

[maxima278]

thanks for the info. Actually, I've seen one website (I believe it was venus motorsports) who was quoting RB25s $500 cheaper than SR20s. That will make the choice even easier for me if I find that scenario when I have the money for a swap. Of course when you add a $275 set of engine mounts that comes close to offsetting it plus whatever you have to do to the driveshaft (*maybe someone can enlighten me on that*). But still if the cost is equal or even a little more, sounds like the RB is well worth it

s14brent- welcome to the poor and broke wishing we had rb25s club. I just started it.

[Joe]

hahaha i didnt even see your post brent, i <3 j00, come to USDrift you big ***** you.

thanks for the info. Actually, I've seen one website (I believe it was venus motorsports) who was quoting RB25s $500 cheaper than SR20s. That will make the choice even easier for me if I find that scenario when I have the money for a swap. Of course when you add a $275 set of engine mounts that comes close to offsetting it plus whatever you have to do to the driveshaft (*maybe someone can enlighten me on that*). But still if the cost is equal or even a little more, sounds like the RB is well worth it

s14brent- welcome to the poor and broke wishing we had rb25s club. I just started it.

anyway, be carefull when reading stuff like that. that RB25 from venus is probably just a motorset. you still need mounts, wiring and a driveshaft. minimum 500$ for those 3. not to mention all the intelligent replacment parts you should purchase pre-swap. timing belt, water pump, clutch, hoses, etc. theres another 500+

the RB25 is not cheaper than a SR, period.

[maxima278]

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, I believe those prices were for front clips: $2000 for RB25, $2500 for SR20. It's been a while but I generally try not to even look at ones without uncut wiring, ecus etc. does the driveshaft bolt up with no modification? I'll probably pay someone to do the wiring. Seems like I've found that fairly cheap too if I remember right.

[sean8564]

you need a walbro255 fuel pump FPR is not nessecery but highly adviseable.Mount are more like 350 USD for a good set Driveshaft cost me 350 you need the timing belt changed also don't want a bad timing belt to snap and you need to get a new Rb25new belts New fuel Filter 300zx TT the list goes on to do the swap it is worth it if you can do what need to be done and not do it cheaply.

[MainEvent212]

no, they are not good

stick w/ the KA24 or an SR20...there are reasons why they came in these cars

[accel junky]

I wonder how the RB20 will be weight wise. I dropped the PWS and AC and all related components. And with a significantly lighter trans than the Rb25, it might be ok.

There is a guy on here that drifts his RB20 s13, and he has some cool vids somewhere.

[Joe]

no, they are not good

stick w/ the KA24 or an SR20...there are reasons why they came in these cars

lets talk. more proof. show me hard proof why they arent good for drifting.

go ahead, im listening.

again, more people who spout off without knowing the facts. sorry kid but you are wrong.

[Joe]

I wonder how the RB20 will be weight wise. I dropped the PWS and AC and all related components. And with a significantly lighter trans than the Rb25, it might be ok.

There is a guy on here that drifts his RB20 s13, and he has some cool vids somewhere.

you guys just cant seem to get it through your heads!

IT DOES NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE

as a driver if a 2% weight change makes the car undriftable you should give up the sport. sure a change may be slightly noticable but give me a break, it dosent destroy the cars balance, or hurt anything or make it a bad drift car. you kids amaze me sometimes.

[maxima278]

don't worry. people simply saying they are no good are not going to sway me. I know that the RB's and SR's are both good choices. Even KA's are good for some people. What may sway me is the cost of acquiring and installing an RB. I have a wife and kid to think about so project car money has been hard to come by so far.

My KA in particular was bought only to make my S14 run temporarily and not be a dead-in-the-water project car until I can afford a suitable swap. The car is a 96 and the engine, trans and wiring harnessare all from a 95 because I received it with a burned up wiring harness after something in the fusebox failed. My engine burns a little oil and the transmission synchronizers are not all that great, so that rules out the KA-turbo option.

I seem to remember tophat selling mounts for $275 and from what I hear they are pretty good.

sean- what is fpr? where can you get a walbro fuel pump? what does it cost? how do you go about buying new timing belts and other belts and hoses? What do they cost? Is the driveshaft custom or does it come straight out of the skyline?

Does the Sr use a timing belt or chain?

I'm really trying to do my homework here. so please forgive all the questions

[sean8564]

RB BEltSR chainCA beltKA Chain

[accel junky]

I doubt a 2% swing in weight dist is going to affect the drifting abilities of a skill individual. There is that much difference and more between different types of cars that compete, let alone between the 240's with different motors from each other.

[sixxdeuce]

Nobody seems to be drifting in 240s with RBs

Milano and Slide Squad Mark seem to do just fine with theirs. Rb's seem to be plenty happy bouncing off rev limiter all day. Only drawback I can think of was one track event I heard the driver was complaining that 3rd gear was too tall forcing him to use 2nd which did limit his speed as he ran out of revs real fast in 2nd.

[sdtouge]

NOT A MYTH

tanner foust drives the mckinney car, wich had a rb25, and he had them swap it back for a sr20. he said the front was too heavy;)

[MainEvent212]

my point exactly...

2 things

1. iron block=heavy2. 2 extra cylinders sitting in front of where the engine is SUPPOSED to stop (aka before the front strut towers) makes alot of a weight shift opposed to a heavier transmission

[Joe]

ok wich of you owns a RB25 car and actually drifts it?

niethre?

MY point exactally.

you guys think you are right, but niethre of you have first hand experience or hard numbers to back up your arguments. now i do own a RB25, i drift it, i grip drive it and generally flog the bejesus out of the car on track very reguarly. so im speaking from first hand experience, not e-knowledge.

you guys can go ahead and belive anything you want about a RB25 destroying the 'natural balance' of a 240sx but when you start spreading incorrect information i have to step in as a moderator and take up the slack to set the record straight.

im not arguing the RB wont make a change in this allmighty weight balance you think is the golden ticket to drifting, my argument is the change can be compensated for by most drivers VERY easily where as you guys are saying it totally throws the weight of the car off and makes it undriftable. wich is just wrong because as i said, you dont own a RB powered drift car, odds are you have never driven one, so all you are doing is regurgitating the misinformation that is already out there.

2%, 2 god damn % change. do you guys realize how little weight shift that is? in a 3000LB car thats 60 LBS!!!. if you guys think a shift in 60 lbs throws the balance off you shouldnt be doing any form of high performance driving let alone drifting. BTW these % numbers are taken from corner weighing the vehicle. so its an actual number for how much weight is being placed on each wheel. the change from pre-swap to post swap was 2% forward. thats IT. also important to note these are weight SHIFT numbers. overall car weight increased by approx 160lbs bringing the curb weight near 3000lbs.

just to put this in perspective

60 lbs is 10 gallons of gas. so a totally full vs totally empty tank has more of an effect on weight balance than a RB swap in a S chassis.

now im sorry if you guys think im being a jerk about the subject and i apologize if im comming off like a d!ck, but really; this has been argued since the beginning of RB swaps populatiry a few years ago. and the only people who say it DOES mess up the balance do NOT own RB powered cars.

[krayton]

Honestly i dont want to read all this crap. So sorry if i say some things twice

Kamin is basically right. I let Ryan Hampton (formula D driver) drive my car. His feeling. "its just a characteristic of the car" (the minor weight difference)

Both me and kamin are having no problems drifting our cars and they are no where near Pros car specs. (except mine is getting there )

I forgot who, but he drives the green s13 coupe with a RB25. Hes a formula D driver also. and hes awesome. I have a pic of him just tearing it up at D1, actually getting out with the wheels still spinning.

But hey. Alot of you assume that extra weight means everything. I bet most of you wouldnt even notice it.

And if Tanner Foust cant drive mckinneys car, then hes just a crappy driver or they built that car wrong.

For you people worried about drifting an RB. dont worry about the weight. Worry about your suspension. Thats the important part.

me trying to drift an overweight RB:

[s14brent]

stupid arguement. i just remembererd there are stupid people everywhere....not only las vegas. but back on topic. get on a track before talking, or.......get a rb swapped car and find out firsthand.

[Joe]

just to go along with krayton's



pfft that thing cant drift!

oh yea, the last 2 drift competitions in tucson were won by *gasp* RB powered S14's! one for Krayton and one for me.

[Charlie240sxt]

I have drifted a SR s13 coupe 283whp,rb20 s14 with about 260whp, and my s14 with ka N/A with about 140whp and i can say if you any good at all you can make it work cuz really, i didn't feel a huge change in the cars as far as this thread goes.

[sdtouge]

dont be mad. he is a good driver, one of if not the best on the site, he said it made a difference, he could tel. end of story.

[Joe]

dont be mad. he is a good driver, one of if not the best on the site, he said it made a difference, he could tel. end of story.

riiiiight.

[sdtouge]

right what

know what you are talking about. if you are questioning tanners driving, i doubt YOU are good enough to tell a differnce in weight, or are only able to drift bcuase of the extra power.

[Joe]

right what

know what you are talking about. if you are questioning tanners driving, i doubt YOU are good enough to tell a differnce in weight, or are only able to drift bcuase of the extra power.

listen to me, very closley.you are regurgitating hearsay or word of mouth. not FACT. you are young, so i will be civil. learn the difference between the 2 now, it will help you later in life.

"so and so told me that tanner said the RB was too front heavy so he had them put a sr20 in" is hearsay. no real evidence, no real proof

seeing hard numbers and having first hand experience is fact.

where did you hear this that tanner says its too front heavy? do you personally know tanner foust? if you do, please have him email me as id love to talk to him about this subject.

using your logic, Ryan Hampton has driven Kraytons RBS14 and said sure you can feel the weight, but you adapt. ANY driver can adapt. and indy car race winning Ryan Hampton > Tanner Foust.

[sdtouge]

he told me this at just drift advance track day, when he was giving some advice for what could be wrong with my car.

also ive seen both drive in person same day, i was more impressed with tanners skills, maybe its beucase ryan was on a semi new car not sure...

i would have said i haerd he said, if it was hear say, or something like that.

[Joe]

at least you have talked to him directly

look, i cant say anything for or against your argument because i dont know tanner. all i can say is personal prefrence on car handling is a huge thing when it comes to driving but the weight change is not as drastic as most people think.

i think this thread is near finished. everyone has given points. anyone searching for information will be pleasently surprised with the information in here.

[sdtouge]

i dont know tanner either, i dont have his email lol, he was just saying the front felt haevy.

also though, that day makr from slide squad waS lighting it up with a rb25, so i guess it comes down to the driver and it is unfair to make axioms on itfrom what youve read until youve tried it