Is it worth it?

[Florida240sx]

http://www.etronics.com/produc...e=462Wanted remote start for my car so long. I get the story of how they won't do it because it's manual.This has some nice features.Was goign to get one $20 cheaper but then this one has all these bonuses.Make my windows roll up/down etc.Think this is a decent find?

[EW]

I don't know about those units but ANY Clifford G4 or G5 alarm can do remote start safely on a manual trans car. I own one and I sell them all the time. Also, even though it is not advertised, the Autopage RS855LCD will work on manual.

The following is a list of Clifford alarms that you can use. Some require the Clifford Intellistart4 module.Arrow, Arrow5, Intelliguard 6000, 7000, 8000, 9000, 750, 850, Concept 200, 400, 600, 800, Avant Guard 4, Avant Guard 5, Millennia, Solaris, and Solaris 5.The alarm makes you go through an exit procedure where you put the car in neutral and leave the car running when you exit or it will not attempt to start.Works perfectly. Some Clifford dealers, especially big chains, may not do it.
Modified by EW at 5:24 PM 5/27/2005

[Silvia2b]

I would have to say probably not, I've never heard of Ultra start.I would spend a little more and take it somewhere local that sells security products. First it has to protect your vehicle, then worry about the convience features. This being said, make sure to invest more heavily on the install if you don't you will likely get poor results from any system. If you know how, do it yourself that way you are the QA inspector. Otherwise Pay someone you trust at a local electronics retailer. There are plenty of vehicle security systems that will do remote start with a manual transmission. For safety most installers prefer not to install them due to the liability, when you acidentally leave the car in gear and it takes off without a driver. Here is a link that has some oft the best security Most any DEI system will do it including the clifford line. If your car has a switch built in to the transmission that says when it is neutral this can be connected to the alarm for safety. If the switch fails though it is possible that it could still start.systems. http://www.directed.com/coms.aspgood luck.

[EW]

I would have to say probably not, I've never heard of Ultra start.I would spend a little more and take it somewhere local that sells security products. First it has to protect your vehicle, then worry about the convience features. This being said, make sure to invest more heavily on the install if you don't you will likely get poor results from any system. If you know how, do it yourself that way you are the QA inspector. Otherwise Pay someone you trust at a local electronics retailer. There are plenty of vehicle security systems that will do remote start with a manual transmission. For safety most installers prefer not to install them due to the liability, when you acidentally leave the car in gear and it takes off without a driver. Here is a link that has some oft the best security Most any DEI system will do it including the clifford line. If your car has a switch built in to the transmission that says when it is neutral this can be connected to the alarm for safety. If the switch fails though it is possible that it could still start.systems. http://www.directed.com/coms.aspgood luck.

The products I listed will NOT ATTEMPT TO START WHILE THE CAR IS IN GEAR.Regular Directed remote start products are not designed to work on manual transmission cars and they do not have an exit procedure like the Clifford G4 & G5 product. With the Clifford G4 & G5 product, you are not tying into a sensor that tells if the car is in neutral (if there is such a thing).

[Florida240sx]

How much are those units?Noone here will install it on a manual car.The on eplace will but they want $650 to install and in order for me to get my car to start I have to hit a sequence of buttons 4 times.And if i screw up once it locks me out. I'm goign to install myself.

[EW]

A Clifford Concept450 is $399 installed where I work. It includes the following features: starter kill, ignition kill, keyless entry, flashing parking lights, LED, door protection, dual zone impact sensor, glass breakage sensor, water proof remotes, extended range antenna, 15 sound programmable siren, coded valet, dome light supervision, and there is a list of programming options that we set with our laptop after asking you how you want the vehicle to function. The Clifford Intellistart4 module would need to be added for remote start on manual which is $199 installed. When it is installed, you not only get remote start but you also get shortstop which allows you to leave the vehicle running and armed while you run a quick errand (like going into a conveinience store), and you gain hood protection since we have to add a hood pin so the alarm will not attempt to start if the hood is opened. There are many other options like window control, back up battery siren, digital proximity sensor, etc that you can add.So, $399+199=$598+tax installed.

[Florida240sx]

That's $400 cheaper than the place here in town.

[Silvia2b]

DEI has ceased from producing technical documents for the purpose of assisting an Installation staff member of an electronics retailer for installing a remote start system in a manual transmission vehicle, thus getting the information is difficult. A model that the Clifford product includes is called the Solaris 5 it has the alarm and Intellistart module packaged together. You will have to go through the exit procedure EW mentioned.

Regardless of popular opinion, DEI products are designed to be compatible with manual transmission vehicles. I have installed 100s of remote starts over the last 10 years of my employment. The thing is that DEI doesn't want them to be used for this purpose to their lack of control over the proper installation of their products. If installed properly they represent no risk to DEI or the users. I know for a fact that on the KA24DE transmission one of the four sensors on the transmission is for neutral position sensing. It is grounded when only in neutral. There is also a reverse switch, this send a ground to a relay to activate the reverse lights when placed in reverse. There is also a 5th gear sensor for the ECU speed limiter, these are discussed in the factory service manuals for these vehicles, it would be advisable to consult these if you have access to one before attempting installation.

Only the old Clifford installation manuals have the necessary programming and wiring data. Note: the new product does not have the same programming table as the old model Solaris. The Cliffnet software if you have an old version is the only way to easily program and configure these systems. The newest release has many flaws as well, I wouldn’t upgrade if I were you because of the lack of compatibility with the oldest Clifford systems. This can make things hard to serve your existing customers that have purchase these systems from your organization. I have found that the intellistart works best with the Clifford Concept 450 and up. The arrow 5 is not the preferred model to operate the intellistart.

[EW]

Good info. I've sold Clifford for 6 years and the shop I work at has been a Clifford dealer for over 18 years. I own the Avant Guard 4 LOADED and also have one on my g/fs car so I am very familiar with the product. We do have issues with the cliffnet software (quirks) but it does not have an effect on the remote start setup. While the Arrow5 is not ideal for remote start, it works fine. <-- Liked Clifford better before DEI got involved with it.