Is Georgia the new Arizona?

[stebo0728]

Georgia is catching some heat from the illegal immigration sympathizers:

http://www.boortz.com/weblogs/nealz-nuz ... tion-heat/

Heres a break down of the new law:

These measures are implemented as of July 1st:

• Local and state police will be empowered to arrest illegal immigrants and take them to state and federal jails. Wow! Now isn’t that a travesty? Cops can arrest criminals! Who would have thought it would ever come to that?
• People who use fake identification to get a job in Georgia could face up to 15 years in prison and up to $250,000 in fines. All you have to do to avoid this penalty is not use a fake Social Security card or someone else’s identity to get a job. Now THAT’S tough.
• People who -- while committing another crime -- knowingly transport or harbor illegal immigrants or encourage them to come to Georgia could face penalties. First-time offenders would face imprisonment for up to 12 months and up to $1,000 in fines. In other words … don’t help the invaders cross our borders.
• A seven-member Immigration Enforcement Review Board will be established to investigate complaints about local and state government officials not enforcing state immigration-related laws. Lord knows we don’t want our law enforced.
• Government officials who violate state laws requiring cities, counties and state government agencies to use E-Verify could face fines up to $10,000 and removal from office. Again … how bad is it that we have to pass a law requiring a government official drawing pay from the taxpayers to actually do their job?
• The state Agriculture Department will be directed to study the possibility of creating Georgia's own guest-worker program. Some Georgia employers have complained the federal government's guest-worker program is too burdensome and expensive. Well … for the life of me I can’t understand why anything conjured up by the federal government would ever be cited as burdensome and expensive .. but then that’s just me.

Then as of January 1st:

• State and local government agencies must start requiring people who apply for public benefits -- such as food stamps, housing assistance and business licenses -- to provide at least one “secure and verifiable” document, which could be a state or federally issued form of identification. Those phony Mexican Consular matriculation cards will not be accepted. The state attorney general’s office is required to post a list of acceptable documents on its website by Aug. 1. Again .. what a travesty. Georgia will protect taxpayer’s dollars and not spend them to support the invasion.
• When it comes to verifying employees, Georgia businesses will be required to use a FEDERAL program to verify the citizenship status of employees.
  Georgia businesses will be required to use the federal E-Verify program to determine whether their new hires are eligible to work legally in the United States. Businesses with 500 or more employees must start complying with this provision Jan. 1. Businesses with 100 or more employees but fewer than 500 must start complying with this provision July 1, 2012. This requirement applies to businesses with between 11 and 99 employees starting July 1, 2013. Businesses with 10 or fewer employees are exempt.

[stebo0728]

Oh and we got shamed by Carlos Santana last night, both Georgia and Arizona for our terrible treatment of criminal immigrants. Lets have a moment of silence for Mr. Santana's relevance.

[Amays U G37S]

There has been a lot of bru-haha about immigrants taking high paying atlanta jobs. The worse part about all this is the idenity theft in Georgia used to gain government access to anything mainly housing. This has been a long time trouble in GA.

On top of all this, you will not imagine how many immigrants Atlanta really has. These people could easily be illegal. It is VERY common that you come across 20 people in a day, and only 2 of those are from GA. This is a WIDE multicultural town. Only parts of the Atlanta area are 'fully' white.

[stebo0728]

Believe me I know, I live here LOL. Its amazing, you go to east, southeast atlanta and its all blacks, you go to north atlanta and its all asians, very diverse area, which is fine.

Never a dull moment in the A.T.L.

[Amays U G37S]

To bad you ninja edited that.

I liked Prison State as how you described GA.

[stebo0728]

Ya, true, I didnt want it to seem I was correlating the two points. I dont think its necessarily due to our diversity that we are so crime laden. I think some of the riffraff from Katrina probably ended up settling here and mucking things up a bit.

[Amays U G37S]

Tons of people fled to AL and ATL from Louisana. Our family has a business in the west side of atlanta about 5 minutes from six flags, and 15 minutes from the deep ghetto. I talk to people from Louisana all the time. But a lot of people come here from other states. Frequently Texas if you could imagine that.

[stebo0728]

Ohhh you're near Austell. If hell had a hell of its own it would not adequately describe Austell.

[IBCoupe]

Georgia is catching some heat from the illegal immigration sympathizers:

You Jew-lover.

Might it just be that there are actual policy reasons why we don't want immigrants, legal and otherwise, to be afraid to interact with police and government in general? Isn't that actually why people are opposed to the "Secure Communities" measures throughout the Country?

[stebo0728]

Georgia is catching some heat from the illegal immigration sympathizers:

You Jew-lover.

Might it just be that there are actual policy reasons why we don't want immigrants, legal and otherwise, to be afraid to interact with police and government in general? Isn't that actually why people are opposed to the "Secure Communities" measures throughout the Country?

I can think of no reason at all to want ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS to NOT fear interaction with our law enforcement.

[IBCoupe]

'Cause maybe there are WORSE CRIMINALS out there than ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS and it's possible that they MIGHT JUST RUN INTO EACH OTHER?

Let local cops solve local problems.

[stebo0728]

Illegal immigration IS a local problem, far before its a national one.

[IBCoupe]

No, it's not. Immigration and naturalization is purely a federal matter. If they were all granted amnesty and the borders opened tomorrow, would the "problems" go away? There is no real justification for local enforcement of federal laws, and nobody who really believes in "small government" will tell you otherwise.

This is just fear-mongering against foreigners, and it's nothing new.

[Amays U G37S]

Austell is in the 500 year great flood. You should of seen 09' when it wiped half of downtown Austell out and the train tracks.

Heh

[stebo0728]

Austell is in the 500 year great flood. You should of seen 09' when it wiped half of downtown Austell out and the train tracks.

Heh

I did, it was the same flood that drowned the Great Scream Machine

[stebo0728]

No, it's not. Immigration and naturalization is purely a federal matter. If they were all granted amnesty and the borders opened tomorrow, would the "problems" go away? There is no real justification for local enforcement of federal laws, and nobody who really believes in "small government" will tell you otherwise.

This is just fear-mongering against foreigners, and it's nothing new.

Maybe it is a federal matter. Try to convince the federal government of that. Whether the letter of the law gives jurisdiction on the local level does not dictate what level the matter affects. The problem is a local problem, and ramifications are felt on the local level. If the federal government wants to be the one in charge, then start listening to the localities effected by the problem, and deal with it, othewise dont be surprised when local jurisdictions start trying to usurp your powers.

[stebo0728]

And consider this. When an illegal immigrant breaches our federal border, it also breaches one or more state borders. Do the states not have a right to enforce their own borders against an invasive entity? So what do they do, deport? To where? Technically all they would have to do is scoot them back across their own border, perhaps into another state? Now the illegal is in a tug of war between states. So why not have the state remand the illegal into federal custody? Then what do the feds do, chuckle and let them go again? Or deport them completely?

Issues like this effect the states, and more so the local governments, they dont directly effect the federal government. There used to be a way for the states to carry concerns to Washington. We did away with that in one of the worst knee jerk reactions in our history, the 17th Amendment. The states are being pissed on more and more everyday by a Washington that doesnt have a reason to care. The people alone have all the voice now. You just cant give me a good reason as to why removing the Senate from representing the states was any sort of a good idea. It took time, but now we are starting to see why.

[IBCoupe]

No, States don't have the authority to deport. They are not sovereign nations, and the Fourteenth Amendment requires that they apply their laws equally to all people within their borders. More importantly, they can't punish someone on the basis of failing to have US citizenship because Article I, Section VIII establishes that Congress shall have the power to "establish an uniform rule of naturalization," and, as I'm sure you're aware, States only have the power to regulate what the Federal Government does not.

That's why this system makes local cops contact the Feds. That's why it transfers people to federal prison. It's trying to get around those Constitutional issues. I'm not surprised that local jurisdictions are trying to usurp enumerated powers, but don't be surprised when I call them out on that unconstitutional s***.

And, no, Stebo, the 17th Amendment wasn't kneejerk. It was instituted because there was a serious flaw in the system: U.S. Senators became more beholden to the individual desires of State Legislators than to the needs of the state. It's simply economics: the incentives were off. I've explained this to you before, so it's odd that you say there hasn't ever been a good reason for doing it. Might I suggest, before claiming there's not a good reason for a law that you at least address the actual reason for the law?

[stebo0728]

A "uniform rule of naturalization" has been established, and is being ignored, and the fact that it is being ignored IS BEING IGNORED.

You're right to point out any unconstitutionality, but this is an issue that the Feds HAVE to deal with at some point, or the usurping will only escalate.

And I'm not getting in a knock down drag out over the 17th again right now. You still have not provided what I consider to be a good reason for its inception. The Senate is supposed to be beholden to the state legislators. If theres a problem with state legislators individual desires, address that with the state legislators. State governments have exactly ZERO representation in Washington. It just so happens that the desires of the people "normally" coincide with the needs of the state, but that is not always the case, and the Senate should not be taking the side of the people against the needs of the state.

[IBCoupe]

You're not going to get in a knock-down drag-out over the 17th, but then you procede to rant about the 17th? Yeah, okay. State legislatures establish how electors are established, and the electoral college protects State legislatures in that regard by giving each State two additional electors.I'm not seeing a compelling reason for State governments to have a voice in Washington beyond their representatives and senators. The old system didn't work, it was fixed, and now you want to change it again. Come up with a good reason.

The escalation of the usurpation is absolutely irrelevant. It's still illegal. Go cry about it. If the Federal Government decides that the rule is "open borders," what happens?

[stebo0728]

Ok so I turned the spicket off, then back on, sorry. If you truly believe that the electoral delegates are enough to carry the state legislators concerns to Washington, well I cant join you there. What happens when the left get their way, and the popular vote becomes the decider? Is populous calculated congressman and 2 senators per state for the people really checked and balanced by electoral delegates? Lets not forget that the only legislative power the president even has is veto power, which can then be overriden. No I cant agree with your estimation that the system was fixed.

But what if crying about it is not the action taken against failed enforcement of laws that exacerbate local issues? What if succession starts getting thrown around again? What if private militias start to get more popular. That's all conjecture, sure, but what if? Or what if simply enforcing a plan thats already laid out is the simpler solution? And you really thing "open borders" is within the realm of possibility? Wait nevermind, we nationalized banks, so I answered my own question.

[IBCoupe]

Was I supposed to answer any of those questions?

[srellim234]

Gotta give Georgia respect for the way they handled the loonies from Westboro Baptist, though.

http://savannahnow.com/news/2011-05-22/ ... h-response

That was nicely done.

[stebo0728]

LOL - speaking of Westboro, did you guys see where Lisa Lamanelli PWNED the Westboro folks.

http://thedailywh.at/2011/05/21/counter ... ly+What%29