Is a G37x Sedan For Me? What About Mods?

[consultant]

I drive an '05 Volvo S60R upgraded from 300 to about 350HP. Volvo has been great, several trips to the dealer though to work out a few quirks (only trips to dealer with my japanese cars was for an oil change.) But it was well worth it as it is a pretty rare car to see on the road and I really like that. (See more M3's than S60R's.)

I've really fallen in love with AWD. I take my car to the track a couple times a year. The performance is about on par with a Porsche Carrera on the track (no kidding) which I've passed (barely) several different drivers many times. It's all about the AWD. There may be some difference due to driver ability, but the brakes on the Volvo are amazing and the AWD (and stiffer springs) helps me keep up in the corners. The turbo I5 is a relatively light engine for a 4-door sedan to have with that much power which also helps. Enough about that though.

I've enjoyed the manual transmission on my Volvo, but I've missed my Acura's automatic in congested City traffic. Now a days they have rev-matching automatics, dual-clutch manuals with automatic shifting (Audi), paddle shifters here, there.

So I'm looking for: Price range: Under $47K, out the door, not including tax. AWD a must. Weight/HP ratio under 13. Fuel economy at least 17 MPG City, 25 MPG Highway. Ventilated seats a BIG plus, but not required.

Here's what I've considered:

Caddy CTS4 - Pricey ($50K MSRP with all options except Nav). Can't get upgraded brake package (like G37x).

Acura TL SH-AWD - I LOVE Acura but I'm sorry, this car is FUGLY.

Lexus IS - Can't get AWD in the 350

2010 Audi S4 - This will be well over $50K and potential for dealing with "Euro Quirks" again.

BMW 335xi - Only way I could afford one is buying used which might be the best choice.

Infinity G37x - This really is a great deal of a car. Should be able to get one with most options except Nav for about $40K - lot of bang for the buck there (don't need nav to find my way around a place I've lived 40 years.)

The only issue is, while it's great I can get the paddle shifters with the 7-speed which you can't get on the RWD (the paddles), the sport option on the AWD does NOT include the sport tuned suspension and the upgraded brakes (I love my Volvo's Brembos going from 130MPH to 60MPH in 100 feet going into turn 2 at the local track). But honestly, my two trips to the track may be over as I've sort of lost interest, it is really hard on the car, so maybe not having the upgraded brakes and sport tuned suspension would be a big deal after all? Plus at $40K instead of closer to $50K for everything else (except Acura) I could easily afford to but aftermarket brakes and suspension on it (or just order the Infinity parts?)

I'd appreciate any comments from sport sedan enthusiasts, especially G37x owners.

[mcheddadi]

I say go for a used Acura RL and put a bodykit



awd plus lux = niiice

[consultant]

Regarding RL, that's not a bad option! However I want more on the sporty driving side, not just sporting looking side. I've driven an RL. The 300HP engine is OKAY.

I was reading some G37x sedan reviews. One of the common complaints is that the sport tuned suspension is a little to stiff. Considering the car is going to be just cruised on the freeway and around the city 80% off the time, maybe the standard suspension would be just right? I'm thinking maybe PERFECT would be, slap some larger sway bars on, and some larger slotted rotors and maybe I'd have something that wouldn't dissappoint me should I go to the track, yet would be a great cruiser in the city?

Some of the reviews mentioned a 19" wheel option neither of them I see on the Infinity site?

[TommyC3]

Consultant, I just bought a G37X sedan with the standard suspension and think it's great. It's not too stiff which is great when you want to enjoy the "luxury" side of the car. As for power, the car is quick, not as quick as my cobra but definitely quick. Handles real well too. The X model is really rear wheel driven and doesn't engage the front wheels unless slippage is sensed. So keep in mind it's not a true awd car, atleast not in the same sense as other awds.

[Poyzinous]

The car takes off in AWD and stays in RWD untill front traction is needed.Consultant- The BMW pricing will be an issue. The G37x (infiniti, with an i. ) is quite fast. Apparently an S60R turbo AWD (which i think are pretty cool) has a 1/4 mile time of 14.4 seconds stock. The G37x will clock an even 14. An Intake and exhaust later and you'll definitely be in the 13s.The problem with the RL, aside from being a H**** product, is that its a showcase car. Its not a Driver's vehicle. The G and The Bimmer are. The audi is Poo, the IS is too small and froggy looking, and the Caddy is pricey, worthless after 3 years of depreciation, and cost to own will be higher as well. I drove the G37x when it first came out, and was very very very very impressed. Very impressed. If I could afford one, I would definitely have it instead of my 04. You can get it as a G37xS model as well, and see if your local dealer does weekend test drives. You'll get a good feel for the car once you've had it for a whole day and a half.

[pfarmer]

I drive an '05 Volvo S60R upgraded from 300 to about 350HP. Volvo has been great, several trips to the dealer though to work out a few quirks (only trips to dealer with my japanese cars was for an oil change.) But it was well worth it as it is a pretty rare car to see on the road and I really like that. (See more M3's than S60R's.)

I'd appreciate any comments from sport sedan enthusiasts, especially G37x owners.

I own an 08 G35 xs. I say keep the Volvo and buy yourself anything else to tool around town in.

Perry

[Tampa G35 Sedan 6MT]

If you really don't need the AWD then get the G37s You can get that with a ture 6MT and you will love that more than your Volvo

The G's are great cars and that Is why I have one. Plus if you get it in black you will be turning heads for many years!

Oh and the G's have like a million mods! If you can dream it up, you will find it for a G

DJ

[consultant]

Thanks for the responses. I knew I'd get good, considerate feedback here.

TommyC3: Yes you are confirming what I'm guessing in that if you realistically look at how the car will be driven the vast majority of the time, the standard suspension setup is probably more optimal, especially in the rutty downtown Seattle streets when I go in for appointments. I think larger sway bars though would probably bring the best of both worlds; not too stiff but good handling. Keep in mind, I'm use to the active chasis that I can alter the struts stiffness between comfort, sport, and advanced (what I call "go kart")

Perry: I think you may have some words of wisdom. If I'm honest, I inherited the "change a car" bug from my father who buys a different car (not necessarily new) every 2-3 years for all of his life (over 40 cars in his lifetime.) I think I may just being "getting the itch" just to change for the sake of change. Bottom line, the S60R is a unique and cool car you don't see often (but it is getting pretty dated.) I've upgraded the ECU, intake, strut crossbar, lower and upper engine mounts, braided brake lines, better brake fluid, titanium shims on the brake calipers, beefier endlinks, slightly lower (3/4") and slightly stiffer springs, etc. Probably $4K invested in parts and labor. Even though it is an '05 since I work from home, it only has 32K miles on it! When I fill up with 96 race gas at the track and reset the ECU, the Porsche Carrera guys can't believe they got passed by a Volvo 4-dr sedan. What it doesn't have is the bulletproof no-quirks of a Japanese car, but Japanese cars (and I've owned a few) lack something (an "X" factor) in character that the Volvo (and BMW somewhat) have. The Volvo doesn't have handling feel though any better than my old Acura TL did - nothing close to a BMW. It doesn't have bluetooth, 7-speed automatic with paddle shifters (although the 6-speed MT is pretty good), tire pressure sensors stock (I added aftermarket though for peace of mind at the track), radar cruise control, ventilated seats (nor does the G37 sadly - but Caddy does), or a lot of other new features the new cars have. But to be honest, all my friends love the car. The design is pretty cool, very cool actually, especially with the sport kit. Maybe you have the best advice and I should just save my money and get another 20K miles out of it and enjoy it more and get more out of the $4K (in addition to the $40+K cost of the car - took overseas delivery in Sweden in February - not wise, but fun) into it to more use???

Tampa G35: I LOVE the fact the G37x is 100% RWD until slip is detected. The Volvo is the opposite. Beside having a turning radiance larger than a Suburban, this is probably it's only "real" fault. It is 100% FWD until slip is detected. I would LOVE the RWD bias at the track, and in every day driving for that matter. But to be honest, you sound like someone who hasn't driven a high performance AWD car before. Once you go high performance AWD, you never go back. Well at least for me. Well.... maybe unless you live in a dry warm place like Arizona. If you live anywhere that gets a lot of rain and a significant degree of snow, a well implemented AWD system in a performance sedan, coupe, or sports car for that matter is very very useful, and fun.

I think I may look for a clearance deal on a G37x-S as the 2010 models come in later this year or maybe look for a distress sale on a well cared for used one with low miles. I think I could justify letting the S60R go in that circumstance. To be honest, I want a CTS-V with AWD, but that doesn't exist. I'm convinced that the S4, estimated at $58K will be the typical overpriced Euro product as is the 335xi, but a used 335xi well cared for with low miles and a reasonable price would also be a good buy. I'll trade though the handling of the 335xi for the lower price and probably better reliablility of the G37x-s, and more room to boot (I've got to small kids.)



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[pfarmer]

Thanks for the responses. I knew I'd get good, considerate feedback here.

Perry: I think you may have some words of wisdom. If I'm honest, I inherited the "change a car" bug from my father who buys a different car (not necessarily new) every 2-3 years for all of his life (over 40 cars in his lifetime.) I think I may just being "getting the itch" just to change for the sake of change. Bottom line, the S60R is a unique and cool car you don't see often.

It comes from the lack of wisdom in buying the one I have. Since the first of the year it has been in the shop 3 times with starting issues. It is there now since last Friday. Since the Infiniti tech was off on Monday it wasn't looked at until yesterday. A part was ordered for installation today (BCM) but the tech was home sick.

Since it started acting up I don't trust it for any appointments where I have to turn the car off (such as gas stations) before the appointment. Instead I rely on my 10 year old 150,000 mile 300 m which has been in the shop for something as extensive as timing belt and water pump changeout and new brakes and suspension work (all planned) for a grand total of 3 days. The Infiniti has been in the shop for a total of 10 days so far this year.

If and when it comes out of the shop it will most likely be the end of my Infiniti experiment. The car has 13,500 miles on it, most of my cars last between 200k and 300k without major rebuild type of work including an 87 onda ivic which was at about 175k before tossing a timing belt.

Right now it is the most expensive car I have owned and so far has proved to be the most unreliable car (and I have a feeling that I have had close to if not more than your pop, although some only for a few days). Give me the parts and I bet I could permanently fix it, but I do have to follow through with the warranty since it is incredibly expensive not to.

That said if you do need help someone on these forums like Steve the tech are good sources for where dealer support doesn't cut it.

Perry

[consultant]

Perry: I haven't frequented these forums much, but judging from the Volvo forum I frequent I found out 3 years ago that a great "trick" so to speak to find out about a car's TRUE owner satisfaction is to just frequent the car's most popular forum. I you went to the SwedeSpeed R Forum you would see tons of posts with all kinds of issues, albeit it none of the MAJOR, but a tone of nuisances, none of which I've ever had on any of my Honda's, Lexus', Mazdas or Acuras.

So my question is, if you have frequented these forms, assuming you have a G37 (?) do you think your experience is average or not typical. I thought I got a lemon with my S60R and come to find out the first year model had way more problems so I got "lucky" It wasn't THAT bad, just worse than my Japanese ownership experience.

[zozoka1212]

Welcome to Nico.

I am on my second G and they both were reliable. That's why I bought them at the first place. I am using my car every day. I can't afford downtime with them.

About the performance. Here in Canuck land they tested some of those cars you listed in snowy and dry condition and the G35X beat out the 335XI every test with the VDC on and off.

Nice Volvo you got there. Before I had my first G I had a Saab 95. I had few problems with that thing but I loved it.

[pfarmer]

Perry: I haven't frequented these forums much, but judging from the Volvo forum I frequent I found out 3 years ago that a great "trick" so to speak to find out about a car's TRUE owner satisfaction is to just frequent the car's most popular forum. I you went to the SwedeSpeed R Forum you would see tons of posts with all kinds of issues, albeit it none of the MAJOR, but a tone of nuisances, none of which I've ever had on any of my Honda's, Lexus', Mazdas or Acuras.

So my question is, if you have frequented these forms, assuming you have a G37 (?) do you think your experience is average or not typical. I thought I got a lemon with my S60R and come to find out the first year model had way more problems so I got "lucky" It wasn't THAT bad, just worse than my Japanese ownership experience.

Based on what I see with various issues such as leaky valve covers, cd players in earlier 'Gs', manual transmission issues, oil consumption issues in some 'Gs', and from what I see under the hood in what I think is some piss poor wiring techniques, then I am not so sure. I can understand some of these when it comes to issues that could be traced to racing or lets say it in a pc correct way - very spirited driving, but some of these are simply design issues that should be easily avoided long before it gets to the customer. When I read about some who do have some issues ending up in various shops then I wonder about the troubleshooting techniques used. I believe too often the dealer takes a shot gun approach and never really fixes the problem. I mean for example in an electrical situation you replace all the modules when it is most likely a cable between modules. I actually believe my issue is a relatively simply one to fix with the correct thought patterns applied to troubleshooting.

For example in the case of wiring, looking down from the battery compartment looking at the fuse box and the IPDM I see a bend in the cable which is a little sharp. Maybe not an issue but I further see that it is wrapped everywhere except about an inch at the bend exposing this section to anything from squirrels, birds, and if they can't get into that spot the well known invasion of critters that sting, all of which tend to have a taste for wiring insulation.

The same goes for various plugs under the dash. The protective sheath goes all the way to the connectors but provides no strain relief at the connectors. In an older car this really isn't that big of a deal, you can replace a single wire if necessary, but in something with networking like new ones you better pay close attention to certain things like this.

What I am wondering is not only how reliable these things are in the near 3-5 year term where they are rated well, but in the 5-10 year term.

Right now I am looking at a 2006 vette located in Fife. One reason why is that if the dealer can't handle it there are many others who can, plus it was absolutely gorgous. What I didn't realize is just how easy it is to work on normal maintenance items such as plugs and belts. As far as bells and whistles it had everything with the exception of the hard drive with an iPod interface (it does have mp3), the radar cruise control, and adaptive headlights. All of these I really like, but heck I really only use them when I am driving the car and if I can't get it out of my driveway then............it makes no difference.

On feature I loved was the heads up display, something after playing with that I think almost any car should have and can easily have. We'll see in the near future how the Infiniti shows up at my house and how the dealer holding the vette talks.

Looking at your list of cars, pick the one you really want and go for it, even if used and even if a couple of $k more.

Perry

[pfarmer]

Thanks for the responses. I knew I'd get good, considerate feedback here.

p.s. I love the looks of this. Looks like it must be some place like the South Gate Mall area or Georgetown. If so leave it out in the open and send me the keys, I'll take good care of it.

Perry

[whatwei]

Waiting until the end of the year might be the best idea, you could probably save a couple grand and easily get it 47K out the door including tax!

A search of my local infiniti dealer's inventory reveals a loaded NAV/PRM/TECH/WOOD g37x Blue Slate sedan for 37,160 which probably means 36,000 which will be well under 47k out the door including tax. You could have them ship it to you from Infiniti of Tysons Corner. The money you save can go towards mods. You can add paddle shifters yourself for $200 OEM and upgrade everything else pretty easily aftermarket.

If you are willing to go used for an 08 g35xS (smaller engine 3.5L) but the car comes with sport tuned suspension and upgraded brakes (although not akebono's like on the g37's) you can get it for MUCH cheaper than an g37.

Infiniti definitely gives you the most car for the moneySo I hope this helps and good luck finding a new car!

[Graflo]

I just bought my 09'G37X in April. I have the Nav and the Std Susp 7-AT wood premium sound. My last car was the S60... But sadly not the R.

I went through all of the cars you listed and I agree with all of what you said... I loved the feel and power of the Acura but the car is busted.

Sticker was 42K but easily got it down to 37K.

The all wheel drive not kicking in unless it was needed was the selling point for me... I hammered the demo and chirped going into second gear in the G37X... Sold.

The Beemer had the power only if you whaled on it and I hated the interior...

I think you will be happy with the G...

My only regret is that I wish I had bought the S-Coupe and a beater for the winter... The AWD is a requirment where I live in the winter but I love the car so much I'm not sure I'm going to want to drive it in the snow now...

Good luck...

[Poyzinous]

Well if you want to look at it that way, hold on to your volvo for another year. The 2011 or 2012 will have some big changes coming into it, but it will still be (i think) the V36 chassis, so Infiniti may just have a third series to the V36. it may be a V37 and we'll have a third gen G to enjoy, but anyway, remember everyone that the best time to buy a new car is in september and december. Infiniti limited engagement sale clearing out the old model year, and the september deals to make room for the next year models. Perry the G37 is much more powerful than your G35. The extra 30 horses and the 7speed make a big difference. So performance won't be an issue when upgrading. Consultant, try the car out so you get a feel for it first. If you dont miss it when you're back in your volvo, you know you still want to keep it. If you DO miss the G after getting back into your volvo, you know you want something new.

[kmckis1029]

i have had an 2005 g35x for about a year now... i love the AWD!!! I will probably upgrade to newer g37x or what ever is out when this car gets old... i only have like 43k miles on my G35x. It has been problem free so far... nothing but oil changes and fuel dampers fixed under warranty. The car has cost me about $100 every 2-3 months in maintence only cause i use expensive performance oil and filters... i dont know many luxury car brands that can beat that.. especially not BMW. IMO you cant beat the bang for the buck during purchase and after purchase of an infiniti G...

[consultant]

Ya, I just can figure out how Infinity does it. There's just nothing that comes close to that value. Even the new Ford Taurus SHO, which might be a nicer car, is going to probably be about $3-5K more than a similarly equipped G37x! Buying a first-year model American product is pretty risky in my opinion. I like the G37 looks a little better too, although the Ford looks good (but the back end looks a little funky.)

Yes, there's always that wait another year or two for the NEXT great thing. I do a lot of investing in my spare time in currencies, commodities, and equities. The bond yields have really jumped up and the Fed is pumping a lot of money into the economy. What this means is in 1-3 years we will see significant hikes in loan interest rates and inflation. It means a $37K car today will sell for $40K in a couple years. Many places are offering 0% or near 0% financing coupled with the fact dealers are dealing and inflation hasn't hit yet, the timing is really good now to get into a car now to drive for the next 5 years.

On another note, anyone gone from a 4-dr to a coupe? I've got a 7-yo and a 9-yo. There just about big enough to get rid of the booster seats. The back seats of the G37 coupe would be plenty big for them. However the 4-doors is so much more convenient getting in and out. The other big issue is trunk size. I love the large trunk in my S60 - one of the reasons I didn't mind not getting a BMW. I read a review that the coupe trunk is small and the size of the opening is a joke. I take large boxes to FedEx once in a while. Trying to get them in and out of the coupe could be a problem. Should probably stick with the sedan considering my usage, but the coupe looks a lot better.

Also, did I hear the G37 doesn't have rain sensing wipers? If so, that's odd. Although to be honest the ones on my Volvo aren't perfect. In a very light rain, they are a little too slow to where I need to hit them manually once in a while which sort of defeats the purpose. I always though it was one of the more gimmicky features they put on cars these days. If it is considered a safety feature (not having to take a hand off the wheel to adjust the wiper speed) I don't think any of them work well because you can adjust to quick changes in the rainfall faster/better than the sensor can. At least on my Volvo. Maybe Infinity is just being really smart about and saying, look, this is going to increase the cost of the car $500 for something we feel isn't THAT useful. I think though they are adding the option to 2010? Something I can definitely live without and won't miss.

[consultant]

I read in another forum that the 2010 G37 will most likely have a lot of the same stuff as the new convertible which includes rain sensing wipers and ventilated seats. Ventilated Seats! I've been wanting those SOOOO bad. But the question will be, is it worth the extra cost over getting a screaming deal on an '09 model? I live in the Seattle area where it's cool all year around except for 3 months we get weather averaging in the high's 70's to mid 80's, not really the type of climate you really need ventilated seats. Thing about getting a clearance '09 though is that it can be hard to find your preferred color combo and option package. For example, I hate nav. Why would I have nav in a city that I've lived for 40 years? I can get the traffic flow off my iPhone. But seems a lot of people (especially Japanese owners) are gaga over nav. If I lived in a big city that I wasn't as familiar with it would be useful.

The G37 isn't a small car. I'm surprised there is no 19" wheel option. I see one one various web pages but don't see it as an option on the Infinity site?

Oh, I see.... it's only an option on the coupe. Wonder where the best place to get a set of 19" Infinity wheels is? I also think it is best to go with factory so you know you have the right geometry. But going with properly sized aftermarket makes the car unique. I imagine it would be very easy to sell the 18" wheels to G35 and G37 owners with 17" wheels.

[consultant]

Well at least I know I can upgrade the brakes with the OEM parts for only $1900.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...orted

[pfarmer]

Perry the G37 is much more powerful than your G35.

If they run at all they would be much more powerful at this point in time.

Actually I did take out the G37 coupe and the difference was not that great.

In the xs sedan the combination of the larger engine and 7 speed would probably be much more noticed. The vette I took out yesterday had about 100 hp more for the same price point. There is more to a car than just raw numbers.

Day #7 this time and nearly 2 weeks total time this year the Infiniti has not been available to use. So for this year it has been unavailable for at least 10% of the time.

Perry

[pfarmer]

I read in another forum that the 2010 G37 will most likely have a lot of the same stuff as the new convertible which includes rain sensing wipers and ventilated seats. Ventilated Seats! I've been wanting those SOOOO bad. But the question will be, is it worth the extra cost over getting a screaming deal on an '09 model? I live in the Seattle area where it's cool all year around except for 3 months we get weather averaging in the high's 70's to mid 80's, not really the type of climate you really need ventilated seats. Thing about getting a clearance '09 though is that it can be hard to find your preferred color combo and option package. For example, I hate nav. Why would I have nav in a city that I've lived for 40 years? I can get the traffic flow off my iPhone. But seems a lot of people (especially Japanese owners) are gaga over nav. If I lived in a big city that I wasn't as familiar with it would be useful.

The G37 isn't a small car. I'm surprised there is no 19" wheel option. I see one one various web pages but don't see it as an option on the Infinity site?

Oh, I see.... it's only an option on the coupe. Wonder where the best place to get a set of 19" Infinity wheels is? I also think it is best to go with factory so you know you have the right geometry. But going with properly sized aftermarket makes the car unique. I imagine it would be very easy to sell the 18" wheels to G35 and G37 owners with 17" wheels.

I think the ventilated seats would be great. I see little need for rain sensing wipers. I see a need to automatically turn your headlights on if in auto and it starts raining (my 1999 has this). I like the nav because I don't always drive in the city and also even if you do it is nice to have be able to occasionally find an address in pie shape streets. But more than that if you do not have nav some other features may not be available. However if you get the nav make sure it is currently up to date and the dealer will keep it that way at least for a year or two. It is very expensive to update and mine was out of date in my area by two years when I purchased it new.

As far as 19 inch, the challenge the last time I did this on my other car was keeping the same diameter. I went from 17 to 19 since going to 18 or 20s at the time would not allow that to occur. If getting the x it is not recommended to stagger.

Day #7 this time and nearly 2 weeks total time this year the Infiniti has not been available to use. So for this year it has been unavailable for at least 10% of the time.

Perry

[Poyzinous]

Infinity

Infinity means - something without limits: limitless time, space, or distance- something too great to count: an amount or number so great that it cannot be counted- state of being infinite: the state or quality of being infinite

Infiniti is the luxury automotive division of Nissan Motor Company.

[pfarmer]

Infinity means - something without limits: limitless time, space, or distance- something too great to count: an amount or number so great that it cannot be counted- state of being infinite: the state or quality of being infinite

Infiniti is the luxury automotive division of Nissan Motor Company.

Infiniti means-Day #7 this time and nearly 2 weeks total time this year the Infiniti has not been available to use. So for this year it has been unavailable for at least 10% of the time.

So far not luxurious

luxurious - enjoying pleasures of luxury; being very fine and comfortable

Perry

[consultant]

I was reading the G37 doesn't have a 60/40 fold-down rear seats, just a pass-thru. That might be a deal breaker for me as I've used that feature in my Volvo many times to fit stuff including being able to put my bike in the trunk without the hassle of having to keep installing and removing my bike rack.

I wonder if the 2010 might have folding rear seats? I doubt it as I imagine it is an inherent design in the car.
Modified by consultant at 1:31 PM 6/19/2009

[pfarmer]

Infiniti means-Day #7 this time and nearly 2 weeks total time this year the Infiniti has not been available to use. So for this year it has been unavailable for at least 10% of the time.

So far not luxurious

luxurious - enjoying pleasures of luxury; being very fine and comfortable

Perry

Update, got the car back yesterday. 12 days at the shop, 13 out of service this time alone. 17 total since March 18, 2009 for the same problem. Just under 8 hours of work charged to warranty during this time.

Perry

[audtatious]

Actually I did take out the G37 coupe and the difference was not that great.

It's less of an upgrade from the '08 sedan with the VQ35HR (306hp) to the G37 with the VQ37VVR (330hp). As time passes I believe you will see far more tuning options with the VQ37 than the VQ35 motors which will equate to cheaper hp upgrades. Hell, Nissan already has a 350hp variant out.

[pfarmer]

It's less of an upgrade from the '08 sedan with the VQ35HR (306hp) to the G37 with the VQ37VVR (330hp). As time passes I believe you will see far more tuning options with the VQ37 than the VQ35 motors which will equate to cheaper hp upgrades. Hell, Nissan already has a 350hp variant out.

Not sure if someone would want to do this, but was at Nissan yesterday and while there looked at the 370z. The big difference I noticed over the previous 08 model of 350z was the dash. I liked the leather look more so then what is in the Infiniti, but unsure about the cluster.

So here is a question, are they possibly interchangeable? The moving pod may be by itself but not really sure if I liked it, but the rest I thought looked better.

Perry

[audtatious]

Is what interchangeable? The pod or the motor?

[pfarmer]

Is what interchangeable? The pod or the motor?

The pod, maybe even the entire dash.

Perry