Iran Stoning Sentence for Adultery Draws Outrage

A General Discussion forum for cars and other topics, and a great place to introduce yourself if you are new to NICO!
User avatar
lino
Posts: 3533
Joined: Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:48 am
Car: 1991 Q45a Fed-Spec, IQP/White, Texasoil 9 Accumulator Recharge, '93 TCU 1st Gear Start, JWFSB, B&M 70268 Transmission Cooler, BBS Forged Wheels, DRLs, Silverstars, Tint, Very Well Serviced.
Contact:

Post

Thu Jul 8, 5:44 PM
By Raphael G. Satter, The Associated Press
Image

Image
The Canadian Press Photo: This undated image made available by Amnesty International in London, Thursday July 8, 2010.

LONDON - The case of an Iranian woman sentenced to death by stoning drew international outrage after her lawyer's blog posts sparked a global campaign to save her life, and British media reported late Thursday that the stoning would not occur.

The Iranian Embassy in London said that Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani would no longer face death by stoning, according to Channel 4 News and The Guardian newspaper. A message seeking comment from the embassy was not immediately returned, and it was not immediately clear if Ashtiani still faced death by other means.

"According to information from the relevant judicial authorities in Iran, she will not be executed by stoning punishment," the embassy said in the statement reported by Channel 4 News and The Guardian.

Ashtiani's face, framed in a black chador, stared from the front page of The Times of London on Thursday, while The Guardian carried an interview with Ashtiani's children — 22-year-old Sajad and 17-year-old Farideh — who described the sentence as a nightmare. Protests are planned in front of the Iranian Embassy over the weekend.

Stoning is a "medieval punishment which has no role in the modern world," British Foreign Secretary William Hague told reporters Thursday. "If the punishment is carried out, it will disgust and appall the watching world," Hague said in a media conference with Turkey's foreign minister Ahmet Davutoglu in London.

He appealed to Tehran to halt the planned execution.

Celebrities including Colin Firth, Emma Thompson, and Robert Redford have already signed on to the campaign to push for her release, according to The Times, which also quoted U.S. Senator John Kerry and Howard Berman, the chairman of the House of Representatives' Foreign Affairs Committee, as expressing their disgust at the sentence.

Even Lindsay Lohan publicized the case, becoming one of hundreds of Twitter users rallying the online world to Ashtiani's defence.

Under Iran's Islamic laws, adultery is the only capital offence punishable by stoning. A man is usually buried up to his waist, while a woman is buried up to her neck. Those carrying out the verdict then pelt the convict with stones until he or she dies.

Stoning was widely imposed in the years following the revolution, and even though Iran's judiciary still regularly hands down such sentences, they are often converted to fines. The last known stoning was carried out in 2008, although the government rarely confirms that such punishments have been meted out.

"It's possible that the numbers are much higher than has been reported," said Faraz Sanei, an Iran researcher at Human Rights Watch, one of several groups publicizing Ashtiani's case.

The rights group said she was first convicted in May of 2006 of having an "illicit relationship" with two men following the death of her husband — for which a court in Tabriz, in northwestern Iran, sentenced her to 99 lashes. But later that year she was also convicted of adultery, despite having retracted a confession which she claims was made under duress.

That Ashtiani's plight has received unusually wide play might be attributable to the determined work of Germany-based activist Mina Ahadi as well as to the Internet savvy of Ashtiani's lawyer, Mohammad Mostafaei, a prolific blogger, Sanei said.

In one of his recent posts, Mostafaei warned that his client could be executed at any time without notice, Sanei said.

Davutoglu, the Turkish foreign minister, told reporters in the British capital that his country would raise the issue with Iran.

___

Online:
Human Rights Watch: http://www.hrw.org/


User avatar
numbnuts240
Posts: 32380
Joined: Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:17 pm
Car: 1999 Ford Exploder 4-door 5spd
1974 Datsun Fairlady-Z 250GT
2011 Ford Focus
2010 Mazda 3
Location: TJ

Post

you know, i'm not too fond of iran as a whole, but if they still want to implement executions by way of stoning, so be it. no place in the modern world, my a**. s***, we're still hanging people. that's a pretty old and barbaric way of offing someone. there are still people in africa who wear loin cloths. let's b**** about public indecency and force them to wear real clothes, like modern society does :rolleyes:

throw the rocks at the broad and be done with it.

User avatar
93coupe
Posts: 12924
Joined: Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:03 pm
Car: crap
Location: Maryland

Post

Getting stoned for cheating? Hippies....

User avatar
Encryptshun
Posts: 11309
Joined: Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:48 am
Car: 2005 Nissan Xterra
Location: Outside Chicago
Contact:

Post

Exactly. I think the point being made is not the method of execution, but the fact that, in Iran, adultry is a criminal offense, even when ones spouse is DEAD, and said offense is punishible by death.

In 2008 a female rape victim in Islamist Somalia was stoned to death for adultry.

User avatar
numbnuts240
Posts: 32380
Joined: Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:17 pm
Car: 1999 Ford Exploder 4-door 5spd
1974 Datsun Fairlady-Z 250GT
2011 Ford Focus
2010 Mazda 3
Location: TJ

Post

trick shouldn't be trickin.

but it's their country, and their laws. who the f*** are we to criticize and meddle? oh wait...

User avatar
AppleBonker
Posts: 17313
Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:40 am
Car: Useful: 2011 Nissan Titan Pro-4x
Daily: 2003 Honda Accord EX-L Coupe
Hers: 2014 Nissan Rogue SL AWD
Location: NW Indiana

Post

Encryptshun wrote:In 2008 a female rape victim in Islamist Somalia was stoned to death for adultry.
And the problem is what, exactly?

User avatar
breadbox
Posts: 8549
Joined: Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:09 pm
Car: 89 Nissan 240SX
89 Koop
84 720 4x4KC
Location: Va Bch

Post

That sucks to go from 99 lashs to a forced confession resulting in getting rocks thrown at you til you dies.

User avatar
s0m3th1ngAZ
Posts: 3856
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:11 am
Car: 96' Miata
2014 Focus ST

Post

numbnuts240 wrote:you know, i'm not too fond of iran as a whole, but if they still want to implement executions by way of stoning, so be it. no place in the modern world, my a**. s***, we're still hanging people. that's a pretty old and barbaric way of offing someone. there are still people in africa who wear loin cloths. let's b**** about public indecency and force them to wear real clothes, like modern society does :rolleyes:

throw the rocks at the broad and be done with it.
Would you be so cold if it was your mom getting stoned to death?
Let us nuke the entire place and be done with it.

User avatar
Watermelonwarrior
Posts: 1139
Joined: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:47 pm
Car: 2006 Cayman S 6SPD
Contact:

Post

I actually have a cousin in Iran that will be likely sentenced to death. He was caught drunk driving twice. Once gets into an accident with a parked car and another he hit a lady and put her in the hospital for a month. I actually think its fair. He knew what the punishment was and he still did it and already harmed one person. Over there you dont get people who raped or killed someone out on the streets doing it again. You make that kind of mistake once and thats it.

Naturally there are people over there like this lady who doesn't deserve it but the same thing happens here(to a less extent). You read on the news of someone whos in jail for 30 years or someone who was sentenced to death only to find out they are innocent later on. Duck paying 30k a year for some azzhole to rote in jail cause he killed someone.

User avatar
tm1218
Posts: 249
Joined: Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:55 pm
Car: 240sx

Post

barbaric? sure... but like stated previously, these people know the price they will pay for committing crimes. that is why there are way less petty crimes committed in these types of countries. I guarantee you that if Americans were subject to the same type of barbaric punishments, 95% of the p****** that occupy this country would be strictly law abiding citizens. the people of certain countries have less freedoms, but in return have a better controlled public behavior, and greater sense of morals. man, it must suck to get stoned to death though. probably takes hours. I have seen worse though.

im not saying that punishments like these are balanced with the caliber of crime committed, but it is nothing new to society. it used to be worse. whatever country you are in and whatever the punishments of crimes... dont do the crime if you cant do the time. :gotme
Last edited by tm1218 on Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Encryptshun
Posts: 11309
Joined: Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:48 am
Car: 2005 Nissan Xterra
Location: Outside Chicago
Contact:

Post

Watermelonwarrior wrote: I actually have a cousin in Iran that will be likely sentenced to death.
I'm sorry for your cousin.
Watermelonwarrior wrote: I actually think its fair.
Seriously?
Watermelonwarrior wrote: Over there you dont get people who raped or killed someone out on the streets doing it again.
Indeed -- if you kill someone they are unlikely to be a repeat offender (unless the crime is, perhaps, littering or maybe being dead in public). But your cousin did neither of those things. Furthermore, if a woman is raped, SHE is also punished. How is that just?
Watermelonwarrior wrote: You make that kind of mistake once and thats it.
You are assuming a great deal with this broad-stroke claim. I disagree that these punishments fit the crimes, I disagree that everyone is treated with equality under the law, and I disagree that convictions are 100% accurate.
Watermelonwarrior wrote: Naturally there are people over there like this lady who doesn't deserve it
I agree, and isn't that what this whole discussion is about?
Watermelonwarrior wrote: but the same thing happens here. You read on the news of someone whos in jail for 30 years or someone who was sentenced to death only to find out they are innocent later on.
So that means that it's okay? It seems like you are lumping the unjust conviction of an innocent to the inhumanity and unfairness of meting out medieval punishments for nonsensical crimes.
Watermelonwarrior wrote: Duck paying 30k a year for some azzhole to rote in jail cause he killed someone.
You're going waaaaay off topic with that one, but I'll bite: I would argue that it is the responsibility of the State to go to any lengths and any expense to prevent the state-sponsored death of an innocent citizen. Until we have an infallible system of justice in place (which we don't), I will continue to fundamentally disagree with your last point. I'd rather see 10 guilty men go free than send one innocent man to his death.

In none of your arguments have you really made the case why this woman deserved to be stoned to death for having alleged sexual relationships with two men after the death of her husband.

:)

User avatar
Watermelonwarrior
Posts: 1139
Joined: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:47 pm
Car: 2006 Cayman S 6SPD
Contact:

Post

Ya I think what my cousin is about to get or might possibly get is fair. Its not like over here you just go down to the bar and get a few drinks. You have to do shady s*** to even drink. And he knew what the punishment is and he was already caught and let off twice by cops who felt bad.

I mean if you know the sever punishment why do the crime? How unfair the punishment is or not.

There is definitely a lot that needs to change with Iran. Too often you find poor women like this with a horrible punishment to a crime that shouldn't be a crime. I also think they go to far on one thing or another.

cellardoorv
Posts: 3449
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:13 pm
Car: 09 Nissan Altima Coupe 6MT
Location: Connecticut

Post

I'm siding with Tito and Tm on this. While I don't see the the "punishment fitting the crime", these laws have been in place for quite some time, so it's not like this was a surprise to her or anyone else for that matter. I don't think it's any of our business to be like "Hey, you can't do that, even though this is how you deal with things and have been for years." I'm sure people wouldn't like it if Iran was telling our women that they're whores because they don't cover up from head to toe and should be punished. Amurrika would be like "Hey, STFU" and go on their merry way.

Onizuka
Posts: 8450
Joined: Wed Nov 06, 2002 5:24 pm
Car: 91 Nissan S13 coupe SR20DET
89 Nissan S14 hatch SR20DE

Post

I dont see how anyone can just say "well its their law, so....."
Do you have sympathy for the laws of pol pot, joseph stalin or adolf hitler? Reading a western book is bad, 3 years in the gulag for you.
Some laws are justifiable in speaking against, even fighting against, no matter where they are in the world. Slavery for example.

Never mind that fact that these sorts of trials in Iran are usually not based on physical evidence.

"so two guys walk into an Iranian court room to confess gang rape and after giving all the gory details and the judges says, 'thats sick, thats disgusting, we need to bring that whore in for questioning' " :facepalm:

cellardoorv
Posts: 3449
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:13 pm
Car: 09 Nissan Altima Coupe 6MT
Location: Connecticut

Post

Maybe they should just.... move? :gotme

User avatar
s0m3th1ngAZ
Posts: 3856
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:11 am
Car: 96' Miata
2014 Focus ST

Post

Hard to move in those circumstances.

User avatar
ADDirishboy
Posts: 13079
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:08 am
Car: 2008 Nissan Titan Pro4x
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Contact:

Post

cellardoorv wrote:I'm siding with Tito and Tm on this. While I don't see the the "punishment fitting the crime", these laws have been in place for quite some time, so it's not like this was a surprise to her or anyone else for that matter. I don't think it's any of our business to be like "Hey, you can't do that, even though this is how you deal with things and have been for years." I'm sure people wouldn't like it if Iran was telling our women that they're whores because they don't cover up from head to toe and should be punished. Amurrika would be like "Hey, STFU" and go on their merry way.
Exactly. It is their country, and their law. Everyone who lives there knows that. We can't start banging on their door screaming "Stoning is bad! Adultery should not be punishable by death!". We have our own laws as well. Everyone differs. The only way we could stop this kind of thing happening is to wage war on them, to force democracy and our laws onto them. And that just creates more problems as well.

User avatar
Bubba1
Moderator
Posts: 16082
Joined: Wed Oct 30, 2002 1:42 pm
Car: 2003 Nissan 350z
2024 Honda HR-V
2008 Toyota Corolla S
2001 Toyota Avalon XLS

Post

cellardoorv wrote:Maybe they should just.... move? :gotme
Easier said than done. Unfortunately, only women with enough financial resources PLUS supportive male spouses/family members can get out of there.

cellardoorv
Posts: 3449
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:13 pm
Car: 09 Nissan Altima Coupe 6MT
Location: Connecticut

Post

Bubba1 wrote:
Easier said than done. Unfortunately, only women with enough financial resources PLUS supportive male spouses/family members can get out of there.
Well, in THAT case, she wouldn't need to move, because she wouldn't be trickin', and then wouldn't be in this situation.

Problem solved.

ugharin
Posts: 151
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 2:21 pm
Car: 2000 QX4; 2002 QX4

Post

cellardoorv wrote:Maybe they should just.... move? :gotme
Move where?

User avatar
Bubba1
Moderator
Posts: 16082
Joined: Wed Oct 30, 2002 1:42 pm
Car: 2003 Nissan 350z
2024 Honda HR-V
2008 Toyota Corolla S
2001 Toyota Avalon XLS

Post

cellardoorv wrote:
Bubba1 wrote:
Easier said than done. Unfortunately, only women with enough financial resources PLUS supportive male spouses/family members can get out of there.
Well, in THAT case, she wouldn't need to move, because she wouldn't be trickin', and then wouldn't be in this situation.

Problem solved.
I don't follow what you mean by problem solved. :gotme She didn't choose to be put in that situation. She was convicted based little more than an accusation.

User avatar
numbnuts240
Posts: 32380
Joined: Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:17 pm
Car: 1999 Ford Exploder 4-door 5spd
1974 Datsun Fairlady-Z 250GT
2011 Ford Focus
2010 Mazda 3
Location: TJ

Post

ScorchedNX2K wrote:Would you be so cold if it was your mom getting stoned to death?
my mom wouldn't be trickin. also, if that was the law and the consequence, would i be upset? sure. but a law was broken, and there are those consequences that have been in place for hundreds of years. it's not like this is all new and some guy just made it up after hitting his bong.
ScorchedNX2K wrote:Let us nuke the entire place and be done with it.
yes, that's the solution. more meddling and unnecessary death.

Ron Burgundy
Posts: 318
Joined: Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:54 am
Car: 1999.5 Nissan Pathfinder 3.3 LE
Location: La Habra, CA

Post

numbnuts240 wrote:but a law was broken, and there are those consequences that have been in place for hundreds of years. it's not like this is all new and some guy just made it up after hitting his bong.
That may make it less "shocking" but that doesn't make it right.

User avatar
Mr1der
Posts: 36020
Joined: Tue Sep 02, 2003 8:35 am
Car: It's still not a Nissan...
Location: Lebanon TN

Post

iran's a p**** for backingdown due to global pressure.

USA! USA! USA!

User avatar
Koshin
Posts: 14088
Joined: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:43 pm
Car: JP'd out Y32 Nissan Gloria GTU
750 hp '87 Buick Grand National
'63 Chevy Impala SS 327/4 speed
Location: ...in your garage stealing your wheels
Contact:

Post

Im stoned, whats the problem?

User avatar
dickie
Posts: 16559
Joined: Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:55 am
Car: Killer Turtle

Post

Then again, I can think of some people that NEED to be stoned for this s***. Just sayin'...


Return to “General Chat”