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Its really just a fancy badge for the SLS Turbo, which gets a 260hp LNF I4, same as the one in the Sky Redline, Cobalt SS, and Solstice GXP.

They get a new engine while we get... nothing... until the 2013 XTS. STS disappears this year. DTS carries on through 2012. The 2013 XTS hopefully won't be as fat and ugly as the concept. Cadillac dealers were apparently very unhappy with the XTS so it was delayed for a year and sent away for revisions -- it will still be FWD/AWD.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbW3NtKhjg8[/youtube]

I like this car, and its exactly what the Seville should have become.

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XTS is a big mistake. I hope it's a sales disaster. I can't believe that after the CTS's success, Caddy is going to be stupid enough to mess with a V6 front driver. CLEARLY Caddy buyers want RWD. The current STS's sales problems are a MARKETING issue (and a self-competition issue thanks to the CTS being so awesome).

I'm particularly disappointed in the death of the STS because I always liked its more reserved, stately styling better than the CTS (and I already like the CTS a lot). And I'm still REALLY pissed that GM never sold the SLS here.

Latest news I read, though, suggests that the CTS will size up to match the outgoing STS (5-series fighter), then the "ATS" will become the new CTS replacement (3-series fighter), with an ATS-V even a possibility. There are also rumors that Caddy is looking at some 7-series competition. So as long as those 3 things happen, I don't care if the XTS is a Cruze with a crest on the grille.

As far as the T-series...I don't want a smegging turbo 4 banger in my Cadillac for Hell's sake! 260hp is a DOWNGRADE. I'll take an LLT or a Northstar, please.

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I'm certainly a minority here, but of the family friendly cars I'm looking at, the CTS and 3 series are the only two RWD's with the rest being FWD. Sure I'd like a RWD sedan, but this car would primarily be my wifes and she's better off driving a FWD due to her lack of driving skill (horrible reflexes) in the snow. To be honest, the only reason why the CTS and 3 series are being considered is because of me. She'd be way happy with a maxima. That said, I think a FWD caddy has a chance if it's marketed more towards female drivers (as already seen in that Chinese commercial), but they'd have to be careful people don't associate caddies with female drivers otherwise it will hurt the sales of CTS's and DTS's.

Personally, I want a 335d only because the 123d isn't sold in the US. BTW, the 123d gets around 55mpg and the diesel Mini's get around 60mpg, which are among the top of my list if they ever get sold in the US. We do a bit of highway driving.

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The Cadillac SLS in that ad is RWD/AWD, just like the 2005-2011 STS sold in the US. Are you talking about the discontinued European BLS?

Cadillac is slowly moving away from front wheel drive.

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SO So STS is FWD?

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FWD, 4cyl, full sized sedan? Fail. No wonder why it's not coming here.

That car is too big for a 4 cylinder. I bet the powerband blows d!ck.

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The SLS is REAR wheel drive. REAR. Dunno where the FWD stuff came from. My post was referring to the XTS, which is a different car*.

The SLS is just a long-wheelbase version of the US-market STS. I still can't figure out why anyone would want a turbo four when you can get an LY7 or LLT in the SLS delivering the same or better power a lot more smoothly.

Here in the US, the bottom-end engine option is GM's spectacular 3.6 V6 (LY7 EFI variant for early models, LLT direct injection model now...same motor making 315hp in Camaro and CTS). Midrange motor's a 315hp Northstar, and the top-end (STS-V) engine is the supercharged 470hp, 440 ft-lb Northstar. ALL of those engines make the ecoboost 2 liter in the T-series look like a joke.

*The reason the XTS came up at all is that Caddy will be replacing both the DTS and STS with it for ~2013. It will be FWD and V6 powered, but still large (DTS sized). Think Lincoln MKS. It's a fail move, unless they release something else in that size range with RWD and a V8. While DTS buyers might be happy with FWD, STS buyers won't be. And yes, the STS sold underwhelmingly compared to CTS and DTS. But that's only because Cadillac barely advertised it, never mentioned it, and sized the CTS too closely to it. None of that changes the fact that, as a "premium" sport-lux brand, Cadillac REQUIRES a big rear-driver. You can't maintain a BMW-alternative image selling FWD cars with cylinder shortages (I'm looking at you ACURA AND LINCOLN!).

Imagine Infiniti replacing the M56 with a VQ35-powered front-driver. It's just unfathomable. I have NO IDEA what GM is thinking.

Oh, and the XTS isn't just a bad idea performance-wise, either. It's proportioned like a beached whale, and will almost certainly weigh in like one, too.
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The damn car is BACKWARD. The rear overhang could house the homeless population of Denver, but out front we've got compactcaritis in droves with the A-pillar and fenders. The car isn't just proportioned like the new Taurus...it even has that a**-dimple crap going on behind the rear wheel arches. And that C-pillar needs reigning in in the worst way. No rear decklid but 17 miles of car behind the edge of the roof. Who came up with this crap? Mail them off to 90s Chrysler and have them pitch it as "Cab Forward." It'll start a revolution.

The fact that Caddy even released that picture to the public makes me want to burn my Cadillac wreath hat and never mention them again. Not even the godly amazingness of the CTS-V wagon makes up for that vast expanse of fail.

I can understand Lincoln doing the faildance with V6s and FWD...the LS was an aberration and the rest of the lineup never was BMW-worthy (or even MB worthy) before the MKS anyway. But I've been a Caddy guy since I can remember, and Caddy actually has something GOOD going now. "The New Standard of the World" is NOT FRONT WHEEL DRIVE. I'm offended. The XTS offends me.

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MinisterofDOOM wrote: I can understand Lincoln doing the faildance with V6s and FWD...the LS was an aberration and the rest of the lineup never was BMW-worthy (or even MB worthy) before the MKS anyway. But I've been a Caddy guy since I can remember, and Caddy actually has something GOOD going now. "The New Standard of the World" is NOT FRONT WHEEL DRIVE. I'm offended. The XTS offends me.

Preach on, brother
. That fat ugly beast is nothing but a Toyota Avalon with a wreath and crest.

Here's the latest spy shot:
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http://www.caranddriver.com/news/spied/ ... rs/gallery

Supposedly, the XTS was delayed because of the negative response from customers and dealers, but I can't imagine a year making much of a difference.

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Jesda wrote:The Cadillac SLS in that ad is RWD/AWD, just like the 2005-2011 STS sold in the US. Are you talking about the discontinued European BLS?

Cadillac is slowly moving away from front wheel drive.
Oh I got mixed up. I thought when FWD was mentioned, it was about the car in the ad.


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