I have really been saving for twins but dont have the cash for all internals is it only the rods or is it more than that and can i get the twins with out internals

sick of loseing to v8,s must buy twins ha,ha,ha

This is has been a subject of much debate and yes the main culprit has been the rods, but as long as you are in there, which is very expesnisive especially as you <must> have an extremely competent shop to meet those tolerances, you might as well do pistons and rings anyway.

Fact: All or Nearly all forced induction 350Z's w/ catastrophic failures have been Twin Turbo'edFact: Usually those failures occured within a month or less of installationFact: often those failures occured on engines running only "stock" boost or only slightly more.But also..

Fact: Hundeds of twin Turbo Kits have been sold and installed, if every one of them blew, we should have heard of more failures than we have.Fact: Twin Turbo Kits generally offer better performance than the SuperCharger Solutions (which arent trouble free either).

I have been facing this same dilemma , i can afford a twin Turbo kit comfortably, but an internals build-up would break the bank.

I dont want to wait so I decided to run a supercharger as discussed in this thread:http://nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=99454

However keep in mind that great performance w/o forced induction is possible as discussed here:http://nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=92664

Also one thing I noticed when reading about failures the possibility of an overboost condtions having occured, can NOT be excluded, also nearly all those failures, have been on the low quality California/Arizona gas formulation.

Then there is this issue, which is likelly an additional culprit independent of gas or tune:

http://nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=99972

In summary while it seems you could probably get away for months on a stock internals, with high quality gas, a good tune and a aftermarket CAS wire.. its still very risky...and if the car is a daily driver I wouldnt do it..

I think a SuperCharger is a safer solution. This is why:

-Overboost condition is impossible, due to being belt driven-Few SuperCharger failures have occured and the ones that have, usually lacked a timing solution such as a J&S Safeguard.

These guys currently run a sale on 350Z ATI ProChargers, much less thanthe price listed on their website:

http://www.injectedperformance...id=33

This vendor can get a good price on the HKS Rotrax kit a highly regarded kit (albeit not cheap from any vendor)

http://shadowdragonracing.com/wst_page2.html

Even on SuperCharger an internals build-up is not a bad idea, but it has been shown, that if your fuel and timing tune is good and you keep with the stock pulleys, problems are very rare.

Fred..

you dont think freds been thinking this over do you?