Interesting info on pre-voting in Ohio

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http://michellemalkin.com/2008...roves/

I have seen where ACORN is involved in investigations in New Mexico, Wisconsin and Michigan concerning fraud. Probably other states as well but those I remember from reports. Wonder if they expect Obama to have all charges dropped against them if he is elected? Hell, they are his favorite organization.

I hear the plan during election day is to have buses of these people ready to go from state to state and vote as homeless in each one. For doing it they get free meals, cigs and other stuff.


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"You hear the plan is"

from who? Do you have some sort of proof of this? Or are you just making it up to try and present a reason to challenge the Obama Presidency...

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Historical precedent, my man. They've been doing this shady crap for years.

http://billjames.org/ListBuild...w.htm

In voter registration drives last year, homeless people who were registered by the local branch of ACORN (a grassroots group that registers low-income people to vote) filled out the forms incorrectly. They listed as their residences mailing addresses of places where they did not actually live. And they did not draw ther requisite maps.

The situation came to light after Republican County Commissioner Bill James filed more than 600 challenges to voter registrations at half a dozen mailing addresses the homeless use. James' theory essentially was that since a handful of ACORN workers had been caught turning in fake registrations in other parts of the country, the group must be doing the same thing here. And James intended to stop the practice.

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Obama's Buddies At ACORN In Hot Water Over Fraudulent Voter Registrations In Michigan

And guess which state just happens to be a key swing state in the upcoming election?

Several municipal clerks across the state are reporting fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications, most of them from a nationwide community activist group working to help low- and moderate-income families

The majority of the problem applications are coming from the group ACORN, Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, which has a large voter registration program among its many social service programs. ACORN's Michigan branch, based in Detroit, has enrolled 200,000 voters statewide in recent months, mostly with the use of paid, part-time employees

"There appears to be a sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications,"? said Kelly Chesney, spokeswoman for the Michigan Secretary of State's Office. "And it appears to be widespread."

From the "Wisconsin Weekly Standard":

Wisconsin Weekly Standard

In light of the reports of voter fraud being committed in Michigan by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), a reader sends along this story from a few weeks ago reporting that dozens of ACORN workers are similarly under investigation for voter fraud in Milwaukee:

- Seventeen apparently filled out voter applications and then signed the cards themselves. That involved two to four cards in each case.

- Twelve submitted cards for individuals who later told ACORN they never filled out an application. That involved one card in each case.

- One submitted a card for a dead voter. That was the second such case; a Voters Project worker previously submitted a card for a deceased voter.

- One was apparently making up driver’s license numbers for an unknown number of voters.

- One submitted about a half-dozen applications for already-registered voters.

Consumer Rights League Testimony on ACORN's Involvement in Voter Fraud -

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/2...fraud

Yeah. Go ACORN.

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For perspective you might want to read the results of investigations and court cases similar to these in some of the same states in previous elections. Take anything said by EITHER side with a very large grain of salt.

http://www.alternet.org/electi...ntire Every election we see the same allegations trotted out; the vast majority of them turn out to be bogus. We need to remain vigilant but don't take an allegation as proving one side or the other is "guilty until proven innocent."

I don't care for ACORN one bit but I do think they get blamed for a lot more than they are actually doing.

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Here's a good article from the 2004 election and based upon allegations from multiple states they are at it again this year:

ACORN Voter Registration Fraud Allegations Are Just the Tip of the Iceberg, Says Employment Policies Institute

Illegalities, Fraud and Contradictions Detailed in Report on Lead Organizer of Florida's Amendment 5

WASHINGTON, Oct. 13 /PRNewswire/ -- A Florida state attorney isinvestigating thousands of potentially fraudulent voter registrationsassociated with the leading organizer of Florida's Amendment 5 ballotinitiative. But this is just the tip of an iceberg of illegalities, fraud andcontradictions connected to the Association of Community Organizations forReform Now (ACORN). In recent days, ACORN has been at the epicenter ofreports on thousands of potentially fraudulent voter registrations across thenation -- including many by ex-felons -- submitted by ACORN employees in thepresidential swing states of Ohio, Colorado, Missouri Pennsylvania, New Mexico and Minnesota.

The Employment Policies Institute has updated and re-released its report,"The Real ACORN: Anti-Employee, Anti-Union, Big Business" with the latestdetails on ACORN's involvement in what appears to be widespread voterregistration fraud. The report includes statements from former ACORNemployees on the illegal nature of the organization's promotion of the ballotinitiative to raise Florida's minimum wage to $6.15 per hour.

"This report reveals ACORN's pattern and practice of deception and fraud,"said EPI research director Craig Garthwaite. "The latest allegations ofwidespread voter registration fraud should prove to be the last of ACORN'snine political lives."

Former ACORN Miami-Dade field director Mac Stuart has declared an intentto sue ACORN and has made charges of rampant voter fraud operations. Stuart was employed and specifically tasked by ACORN to generate 103,000 new voter registrations from Dade County. He reports that [n]ACORN threw out Republican registrations while paying for Democratic ones. Stuart also charges that ACORN targeted ex-cons and that he personally set up registration tables outside the Miami police department and Dade County jail. He went on to state, "The voter registration project has been operating illegally since it started."

ACORN has paid workers for every voter registration card collected -- afelony in Florida and also illegal in Missouri and Pennsylvania. ACORN alsoroutinely accepted signatures for Amendment 5 from individuals who were not currently registered to vote -- a requirement under Florida law.

Voter registration and petition fraud is just the latest chapter inACORN's long sordid history. The EPI report also reveals:

ACORN Involved in Union Embezzlement -- In the late 1990s, ACORN's Project Vote was involved in an $850,000 embezzling scheme, where union funds and kickbacks were used to illegally aid the 1996 re-election bid of then-Teamsters President Ron Carey. A New York federal jury found the Teamsters political director guilty of the conspiracy.

ACORN bilks AmeriCorps -- In 1996, the Inspector General of the AmeriCorps program stripped a $1 million grant from the ACORN Housing Corporation (AHC). When applying, AHC had denied any connections to ACORN, since the grant was not intended for political advocacy organizations. Evidence later uncovered by the Inspector General found that not only was AHC created by ACORN, engaged in numerous transactions with one another, and sharing staff and office space -- but it utilized the AmeriCorps grant to increase ACORN membership, a violation of federal guidelines.

ACORN Union-Busts Own Workers -- On March 27, 2003 the National LaborRelations Board (NLRB) found that ACORN had violated the National LaborRelations Act and was required to rehire and pay restitution to employeesterminated for attempting to form a union. The NLRB ruling is just the latestin a trend of ACORN's union-busting tactics. ACORN employees havehistorically demanded higher wages, safer working conditions and more timely contracted wages. These efforts have been repressed behind closed doors by the hypocritical ACORN leadership, which publicly advocates higher pay and better working conditions for private sector workers.

ACORN and Minimum Wage Hypocrisy -- Most egregiously, ACORN promotesballot initiatives and local ordinances to force businesses to pay higherminimum wages, as they are currently doing with the minimum wage proposal in Amendment 5. In 1995, however, ACORN sued the state of California to have its employees exempted from the state minimum wage. ACORN argued that being forced to pay higher wages would mean that they would hire fewer employees --the very dilemma faced by businesses. Incredibly, ACORN stated that paying its employees a lower wage would allow them to be more sympathetic to the low-and moderate-income families they were attempting to help. ACORN argued that abiding by the state minimum wage would limit their ability to promote their agenda and would therefore be a violation of their First Amendment rights. The trial court judge dismissed ACORN's suits, stating, "leaving aside the latter argument's absurdity ... we find ACORN to be laboring under a fundamental misconception of constitutional law."

"ACORN's history of voter registration fraud, hypocrisy, abuse of federalgrant programs, and disregard for sound economics should raise a red flag for voters considering support for Amendment 5," Garthwaite said.

The full report is available online at http://www.EPIonline.org.

The Employment Policies Institute is a nonprofit research organizationdedicated to studying public policy issues surrounding entry-level employment.

SOURCE Employment Policies Institute

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That's just one report. This is the same ACORN that Obama was associated with as a Community Organizer, the one whom he helped train their members, the one he has used his Senate position to help and the one who was to initially receive $20 billion via the economic bill that was put together this past weekend (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/ ... 3168.shtml). It's bad news and Obama is in it up to his neck. Of course, you won't see the MSM go into detail about his association with ACORN as they want him elected.

Here's some more info on ACORN: http://www.rottenacorn.com/dow...d.pdf

and

http://www.consumersrightsleag...l.pdf


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