Interest in HQ Full Length Stainless manifold..turbo kit for ca

[Kouks]

I am speaking with a company about possibly manufacturing hi-po parts for the cadet. First i need a person willing to give up their motor for testing, free parts..... and second looking for interest in a company taking the ca market on. the shop is in PA. They currently have a 10.3sec SR 240. IRS.

Please feel free to tell me anything you think is worth manufacturing. If enough interest in generated and orders or wants are given, this is something they might consider.

Let it flow.......

[boost_boy]

I am speaking with a company about possibly manufacturing hi-po parts for the cadet. First i need a person willing to give up their motor for testing, free parts..... and second looking for interest in a company taking the ca market on. the shop is in PA. They currently have a 10.3sec SR 240. IRS.

Please feel free to tell me anything you think is worth manufacturing. If enough interest in generated and orders or wants are given, this is something they might consider.

Let it flow.......

Dude, I know you mean well and please don't take me the wrong way because you have done nothing wrong to me, but to be straight-up, it's going to be very hard to get enough individuals to respond to such an interest. Let's face it, most guys around here bought into a CA18DET because it was the cheaper of the Nissan turbo-engine swaps and most because they are on a tight budget. I call them budget boosters, but I do understand their pain "Low flow".

Think about it, how many of these members that own a CA18DET powered vehicle ever get their vehicles to run good enough to take them to the track, to a dyno, for a good highway run, or for some good 'ol fashioned backyard drag racing? Unfortunately, not many of them because of various reasons.

A manifold is the last thing these cats need. For those that want to make good power and have major flexibility as well as control over their engines, they need to stop toying with the stock ecu and pay attention to the advice that's being posted. Some are content with what they got and I'm not mad at them at all. So I personally appreciate your heads-up and looking out for the gang, but this gang is not really ready to spend bucks on the professional workmanship.

Dee

[Kouks]

I pretty much agree too, its not that i think everyone is going to be jumping at the chance, but they will always be budget boosters if no one tries to change that perception. Im looking into a Power FC, but after that, the exhaust cam(I already have HKS INtake Cam),intake manifold, and then a 2871r.

[CA19DET]

i dissagree as usuall..

i spent months looking for manifolds, build one, destroyed it, got a trust one hacket it up to suit my needs, if i could have done it all over again i would have sent Geoff and FULL-Race my flange and got a Full-Race amazo manifold made.. if you check this week alone there was a thread asking for a T3/T4 manifold for a CA FWD... so there are pepople investigating the posibilites

you got you rememeber you just need to make the Jig for the manifold and make them as needed/ordered, your not going to make a 1000 and wait around for them to sell, and there is also Zilvia, Freshalloy, 240sx.org, and all the Aus sites you can push it on, i find Nico CA forum to be very basic.. there are allot more ca tuners out there than on NICO..

now that said, whats going to make your quality better than say Full-Race, LoveFab, peak a boost etc.. and pricing is a big thing no matter..

I'll send you a head and block if you want to pay for shipping lol (its from teh caribbean so overseas shipping will kill ya)

i think if you can make a turbo manifold, for a top mount, that comes with a O2/down pipe, and fits most T3/T4 and GT2871R/GT3071 etc combo turbos, you'll be golden, once the quality is the same as the full-race etc and the price is compatible. and then you can look into supplying intercooler pieping for those kits etc..

another thing would eb anice Intake manifold for greater volume plenum, velocity stacks and a bigger choice of AFM's there is one out of Aus now so competition woudl eb good for pricing..

of course dress up items like coil/plug covers etc,, but thats minor..

good luck of course

[boost_boy]

i dissagree as usuall..

i spent months looking for manifolds, build one, destroyed it, got a trust one hacket it up to suit my needs, if i could have done it all over again i would have sent Geoff and FULL-Race my flange and got a Full-Race amazo manifold made.. if you check this week alone there was a thread asking for a T3/T4 manifold for a CA FWD... so there are pepople investigating the posibilites

you got you rememeber you just need to make the Jig for the manifold and make them as needed/ordered, your not going to make a 1000 and wait around for them to sell, and there is also Zilvia, Freshalloy, 240sx.org, and all the Aus sites you can push it on, i find Nico CA forum to be very basic.. there are allot more ca tuners out there than on NICO..

now that said, whats going to make your quality better than say Full-Race, LoveFab, peak a boost etc.. and pricing is a big thing no matter..

I'll send you a head and block if you want to pay for shipping lol (its from teh caribbean so overseas shipping will kill ya)

i think if you can make a turbo manifold, for a top mount, that comes with a O2/down pipe, and fits most T3/T4 and GT2871R/GT3071 etc combo turbos, you'll be golden, once the quality is the same as the full-race etc and the price is compatible. and then you can look into supplying intercooler pieping for those kits etc..

another thing would eb anice Intake manifold for greater volume plenum, velocity stacks and a bigger choice of AFM's there is one out of Aus now so competition woudl eb good for pricing..

of course dress up items like coil/plug covers etc,, but thats minor..

good luck of course

I'll say this for the most part, most all FWD'ers are content with what they have because there aren't that many on this side of the world. I offered an already manufactured FWD T3 based manifold that was built for me at a pretty good price and still no takers. No one really wants to spend $$$ on just a manifold, but everyone wants to go faster. There's only a couple of cats that I know on this forum that I can honstly say did some investing on a decent manifold and a few other goodies, but that's only a handful. You've been around here long enough to know that this is the land of the cheapy-cheap.

Dee

[teddy]

I agree that most people on this forum and other CA owners that I have seen are more budget oriented. But I also agree with CA19 that the manifolds would not be mass produced, but made per order. There are always going to be people out there looking to get as much out of their engine. With the only prevalent turbo manifold manufacturer being ssautochrome/xs power/stone racing/ whatever name they come up with next week, I think there would be many people that would be interested in something like this if its not crazy expensive. I for one would be. I'm not looking for anything Full Race or Burns quality, just something better than ssauto. A good compromise somewhere in the middle of the road would be perfect. I wouldn't even care if its equal length. As long as it fits and provides gains, and lasts a decent amount of time I would be content with .

[Kouks]

Can you find out how much it would be to 32068. Middleburg FL. From that price, I would work on if the shop could do it. They are very reputable, and I believe they could make a very nice manifold, they made one for the SR and it is gorgeous.

There is no reason why I shouldnt be able to get someone to step up to the plate. PLease keep all opinions coming, I need you guys to baCK ME UP AND SHOW THERE IS AN INTEREST IN IT.

[top_secret]

I think anytime you try and speak for others you put your foot in your mouth.

I'd buy a manifold that was high quality but moderate in price. Ie, better than SSAC but cheaper than full race (who doesn't stock a CA manifold anyway). Top mount T4 flange.

[Kouks]

Thats what they are considering, not full race, but definitely not ssauto. Prices for their Sr kit should be slightly lower than peak boost.

[CA19DET]

they dont stock it but definately can make it, and i'm 99% sure that if they weld a CA flange onto the SR jig/manifolds they have all will bolt up and clear everything,

my first manifold was a SR unit copied and flipped over to be a top mount, the port spacing was nearly spot on..

Full-Race quality and performance is tested and rpoved above and beyond others, that why i mentioned them, for the quality and HP, its worht the money if you are willing to spend the cash.

normally when a manifold goes, it takes out the turbo too, so a good manifold is a good idea when dealing with good turbos and big power...

[iliketocrash]

personally i'd be happy with a topmount log-style manifold. i just want something durable and that i can put my t3/t4 on. i'm not necessarily cheap, i just don't believe some fancy tubular mani is what i need for my power goals.

[top_secret]

its very rare for a cracked manifold to take out a turbocharger.. the only way that would happen is if a piece of metal small enough to enter the turbocharger were to break off the manifold. I've seen lots of cracked and broken manifolds but I've never seen one shatter or break into pieces.

[yourmomsrps13]

its very rare for a cracked manifold to take out a turbocharger.. the only way that would happen is if a piece of metal small enough to enter the turbocharger were to break off the manifold. I've seen lots of cracked and broken manifolds but I've never seen one shatter or break into pieces.

he might be talking about welding slag left behind from a crappy weld/welder that might be found in lets say a SSauto manifold, like the one i had for a top mount SR manifold.

Id be interested in a stock placement tubular manifold as long as it lasts.

[Rookieca18det]

How bad of an idea do you guys think it would be to modify the stock mani so that an external wastegate could be fitted to it. I remeber reading in the rb forum that some1 did this on there rb20 (i think dont qoute me), not quite sure how it turned out as I was a lazy *** and didnt follow it up. Anyway just a thought. I'm gonna get with a friend of mine and were gonna check out some local shops to see if they cant knock out a custom mani for me. If its somewhere around $600 and a very reputable shop I may have to go that route. I think I'd rather shell out the cash and have a clear conscience than deal with weak welds or poor fitment.

-richard

[CA19DET]

its very rare for a cracked manifold to take out a turbocharger.. the only way that would happen is if a piece of metal small enough to enter the turbocharger were to break off the manifold. I've seen lots of cracked and broken manifolds but I've never seen one shatter or break into pieces.

well i have a cracked manifold that damaged a turbo.. it was slag from inside the runners that we couldnt gte to with a deburing tool. poorly made manifold suffer from this kinda ish..

Quote »personally i'd be happy with a topmount log-style manifold. i just want something durable and that i can put my t3/t4 on. i'm not necessarily cheap, i just don't believe some fancy tubular mani is what i need for my power goals..[/quote]yes,, buts that your power goals/expectations, but - equal length Full-Race top mount manifolds (for example) have dyno propven more than 40RWHP just from a manifold swap from a log style..

so when you are looking for dyno proven power and want quality that will last, you get what you pay for..

[top_secret]

is that on a CA though? I thought our stock ones were pretty decent.

unfortunately, just not shiny enough for me.

[CA19DET]

^ yes on a CA18, top mount custom manifold..

[iliketocrash]

well i have a cracked manifold that damaged a turbo.. it was slag from inside the runners that we couldnt gte to with a deburing tool. poorly made manifold suffer from this kinda ish..

yes,, buts that your power goals/expectations, but - equal length Full-Race top mount manifolds (for example) have dyno propven more than 40RWHP just from a manifold swap from a log style..

so when you are looking for dyno proven power and want quality that will last, you get what you pay for..

believe me, a log style will last. i've yet to see someone screw one of those up. there are also plenty of cars that have made upwards of 400hp on a log style. i was basically commenting that there should be more support for the t3/t4 style setup. but if you're going to go "full-race" then you should consider having the runners tuned and go with a dual scroll exhaust housing. one type of "full race" equal length mani is not the end all solution for every setup.

[top_secret]

I just want something big and shiny that fits. whats so wrong with that?

[Not_a_sr]

i have the log manifolds ive sold only two of them, one as a kit, and one to a local customer thats a friend, tubular manifolds would go for 600ish and would only take a week or two to mock up and produce. im finishing up a rams horn SS tubular manifold for DOHC neons, the closer to the finished product the better the interests but its still not alot and the price deters alot of people.

jon

[top_secret]

Price point I'm looking for is $400. As much quality as I can get.

[teddy]

If you guys are just looking for a log manifold, why not just buy the log parts from JGS tools and then take it to a shop to have it welded. You can buy the elbows, turbo flanges, and choice of diameters and material from them for a good price. All you'd need to buy extra is a ca18 flange that bolts to the head.

Personally, I'm wanting a tubular manifold thats of decent quality, top mount or bottom mount, doesnt matter. As long as the fit and quality are more consistent than ssautochrome. Something similar to a revhard or southflorida performance. Which if anyone was curious, I did contact RevHard because they will make some custom manifolds by request, but they will not make one for the ca18.

[top_secret]

I don't think anyone wants a log manifold... thats more lame than stock.

[teddy]

personally i'd be happy with a topmount log-style manifold. i just want something durable and that i can put my t3/t4 on.

I think somebody can't read.

[top_secret]

he might be happy with a log but he wants a tubular. if I wanted a log I'd have gone to the store and bought the stuff I needed for $20 and had it finished already.

[CA19DET]

i have the log manifolds ive sold only two of them, one as a kit, and one to a local customer thats a friend, tubular manifolds would go for 600ish and would only take a week or two to mock up and produce. im finishing up a rams horn SS tubular manifold for DOHC neons, the closer to the finished product the better the interests but its still not alot and the price deters alot of people.

jon

'tubular manifolds would go for 600ish' - thats really good,

can we some of the finished work?

[top_secret]

and would there be any guarantee or warranty on the quality? I know that some people say all tubulars will crack, but to me that would be important.

[Not_a_sr]

i can get you the pictures of our neon manifold all tacked togther, im sending it off to be welded by a certified welder so i can offer some sort of warranty with it. i havnt had the time to setup a purge system and practice welding thick SS. later in the spring i should be able to manufacture them completely in house on my own.

[Rookieca18det]

I would be interested in one of these as soon as you get a finished product on a ca. It would be great if you could make one setup for an external wastegate as well. That looks real good man.

-richard

[Not_a_sr]

it would be external gated as is that one, i just dont have the wastegate placed on there yet, we were doing a fit in the car today and have plenty of room for the gate. Gt5R on a dodge neon, scary...